Posada for Big Unit?

[Misfit]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Why trade Posada? Well aside from the obvious defensive holes he brings he also was the fifth best catcher from an offensive standpoint in the AL this year. Pudge, Lopez, Varitek, and Martinez all had better years at the plate. Posada is better defensively than Lopez and possibly Martinez (who makes up for this by being young) but he's an offensive type catcher and if he isn't producing at the plate he's almost worthless. The only thing Posada brought to the plate last year was a high on base percentage but that coming from a guy who usually hits 6th and can't run isn't that valuable. I'd easily trade him for a guy like Hudson or another relatively young pitcher, but probably not for RJ just because he's only got another year or two left. The Yankees appear to be approaching '05 with the mindset to win in '05 without worrying about '06 which is just foolish.

[Misfit]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Why trade Posada? Well aside from the obvious defensive holes he brings he also was the fifth best catcher from an offensive standpoint in the AL this year. Pudge, Lopez, Varitek, and Martinez all had better years at the plate. Posada is better defensively than Lopez and possibly Martinez (who makes up for this by being young) but he's an offensive type catcher and if he isn't producing at the plate he's almost worthless. The only thing Posada brought to the plate last year was a high on base percentage but that coming from a guy who usually hits 6th and can't run isn't that valuable. I'd easily trade him for a guy like Hudson or another relatively young pitcher, but probably not for RJ just because he's only got another year or two left. The Yankees appear to be approaching '05 with the mindset to win in '05 without worrying about '06 which is just foolish.

[Mr_Blonde]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

You, sir, are spoiled.

Look at the stats. Posada is one of the best offensive catchers in the game. Who cares how many slumps he gets into. They are far less than the ones a majority of the catchers in the league go through. There is only one catcher better than Posada offensively in the AL - Ivan Rodriguez. And with Piazza slipping offensively more and more every year, Posada might even be the second best offensive catcher in baseball.

Defensively, yes, Posada isn't that great. He's actually terrible. If it weren't for Piazza, Posada would be the worst defensive catcher in the Northeast. However, as much as defense matters at catcher, the Yankees have a strong defensive prospect in Navarro and if Torre had any brain, he'd slide Navarro into the lineup late in the game.

Actually, Victor Matinez and Javy Lopez had better years offensively, but I don't care about offense from a catcher that much.

I would love to have Mike Matheny on the team, because he's excellent defensively, and can do things like bunt and move the runner over. Posada can't do that, and hurts the team a lot because he can't execute the fundamentals.

[Mr_Blonde]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

You, sir, are spoiled.

Look at the stats. Posada is one of the best offensive catchers in the game. Who cares how many slumps he gets into. They are far less than the ones a majority of the catchers in the league go through. There is only one catcher better than Posada offensively in the AL - Ivan Rodriguez. And with Piazza slipping offensively more and more every year, Posada might even be the second best offensive catcher in baseball.

Defensively, yes, Posada isn't that great. He's actually terrible. If it weren't for Piazza, Posada would be the worst defensive catcher in the Northeast. However, as much as defense matters at catcher, the Yankees have a strong defensive prospect in Navarro and if Torre had any brain, he'd slide Navarro into the lineup late in the game.

Actually, Victor Matinez and Javy Lopez had better years offensively, but I don't care about offense from a catcher that much.

I would love to have Mike Matheny on the team, because he's excellent defensively, and can do things like bunt and move the runner over. Posada can't do that, and hurts the team a lot because he can't execute the fundamentals.

[CMH]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Actually, Victor Matinez and Javy Lopez had better years offensively, but I don't care about offense from a catcher that much.

I would love to have Mike Matheny on the team, because he's excellent defensively, and can do things like bunt and move the runner over. Posada can't do that, and hurts the team a lot because he can't execute the fundamentals.

Lopez and Martinez did have better offensive years, but I was talking about career wise. However, point taken.

I had a feeling you'd mention Matheny. I like Matheny, too, but in my opinion defense isn't too important at the catching position. That's just me, though. Obviously, I'd want a good defensive catcher (Posada isn't even good), but I don't think I'd give up Posada's offense just to have Matheny's defense.

[CMH]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Actually, Victor Matinez and Javy Lopez had better years offensively, but I don't care about offense from a catcher that much.

I would love to have Mike Matheny on the team, because he's excellent defensively, and can do things like bunt and move the runner over. Posada can't do that, and hurts the team a lot because he can't execute the fundamentals.

Lopez and Martinez did have better offensive years, but I was talking about career wise. However, point taken.

I had a feeling you'd mention Matheny. I like Matheny, too, but in my opinion defense isn't too important at the catching position. That's just me, though. Obviously, I'd want a good defensive catcher (Posada isn't even good), but I don't think I'd give up Posada's offense just to have Matheny's defense.

[Mr_Blonde]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Lopez and Martinez did have better offensive years, but I was talking about career wise. However, point taken.

I had a feeling you'd mention Matheny. I like Matheny, too, but in my opinion defense isn't too important at the catching position. That's just me, though. Obviously, I'd want a good defensive catcher (Posada isn't even good), but I don't think I'd give up Posada's offense just to have Matheny's defense.

Well, consider the Yankee lineup. They don't really need Posada. I mean, it's nice to have him, but it's not like he's a .330 hitter. Matheny made 1 error this passing season, and had 2 passed balls. Posada on the other hand made 9 errors, and had 9 passed balls.

Matheny's defense is better than Posada's hitting.

[Mr_Blonde]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Lopez and Martinez did have better offensive years, but I was talking about career wise. However, point taken.

I had a feeling you'd mention Matheny. I like Matheny, too, but in my opinion defense isn't too important at the catching position. That's just me, though. Obviously, I'd want a good defensive catcher (Posada isn't even good), but I don't think I'd give up Posada's offense just to have Matheny's defense.

Well, consider the Yankee lineup. They don't really need Posada. I mean, it's nice to have him, but it's not like he's a .330 hitter. Matheny made 1 error this passing season, and had 2 passed balls. Posada on the other hand made 9 errors, and had 9 passed balls.

Matheny's defense is better than Posada's hitting.

[Karlos05]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Maybe there is a 3rd team involved? The only reason I say that is that I read that before the trade deadline, the Pirates/Yankees/Dbacks worked out this deal:

NYY gets: RJ, Kendall
Dbacks get: Posada
Pirates get: Prospects from Dbacks and cash

It fell through because the Pirates didn't like any of the prospects being offered. Maybe this deal is back on the table with alterations to it?

I thought of that but I don't really know if Kendall would do it. He has a blanket no trade-clause, and wants to play in an NL team on the west coast. If Kendall doesn't want to go I think he would probably invoke his no trade clause. I think he's said before unless it's a team he wants to go to he's staying in Pitt, even if that team is a contender.

I really don't know if Kendall would be up for NY.

[Karlos05]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Maybe there is a 3rd team involved? The only reason I say that is that I read that before the trade deadline, the Pirates/Yankees/Dbacks worked out this deal:

NYY gets: RJ, Kendall
Dbacks get: Posada
Pirates get: Prospects from Dbacks and cash

It fell through because the Pirates didn't like any of the prospects being offered. Maybe this deal is back on the table with alterations to it?

I thought of that but I don't really know if Kendall would do it. He has a blanket no trade-clause, and wants to play in an NL team on the west coast. If Kendall doesn't want to go I think he would probably invoke his no trade clause. I think he's said before unless it's a team he wants to go to he's staying in Pitt, even if that team is a contender.

I really don't know if Kendall would be up for NY.

[rsox]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Matheny would be a good pick up for the Yankees, good defensive Catcher hit's in the bottom of the order and can do the fundamental things like bunt and hit and run. The Yankees could use a good veteran C to help with the rebuilding of the rotation, i liken Matheny to Joe Girardi, and look how good the Yankees were when they had Girardi. If not the Yankees, i could see Matheny going to the Dodgers, i think he would be an excellent fit there as well.
As for Kendall, he has said that if he does get traded he wants to go west, that poses a problem for the Pirates, San Diego is happy with Ramon Hernandez, the Giants have A.J. Pierzynski, only the Dodgers are in the market for a Catcher and they may not be willing (able?) to spend that much. So i think we will see Kendall back in Pittsburgh next season.

[rsox]

Re: Posada for Big Unit?

Matheny would be a good pick up for the Yankees, good defensive Catcher hit's in the bottom of the order and can do the fundamental things like bunt and hit and run. The Yankees could use a good veteran C to help with the rebuilding of the rotation, i liken Matheny to Joe Girardi, and look how good the Yankees were when they had Girardi. If not the Yankees, i could see Matheny going to the Dodgers, i think he would be an excellent fit there as well.
As for Kendall, he has said that if he does get traded he wants to go west, that poses a problem for the Pirates, San Diego is happy with Ramon Hernandez, the Giants have A.J. Pierzynski, only the Dodgers are in the market for a Catcher and they may not be willing (able?) to spend that much. So i think we will see Kendall back in Pittsburgh next season.