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  • Liquidrage
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1198

    #1

    And so it begins - Cards and Giants

    From the sporting news:

    ST. LOUIS -- Tony La Russa kept tossing hints in Barry Bonds' direction, as if he was trying to tempt the San Francisco star with hanging curveballs.

    Every time he was asked about Bonds, it seemed, the St. Louis manager returned to the same theme -- if the slugger wanted to swing in the NL championship series, he might have to be a little less selective at the plate.

    There was this from La Russa on Tuesday: "Barry has developed a great eye. At some point, he has to decide how much he wants to expand his zone."

    And then this: "Guys like Mark (McGwire) aren't going to get a ball to hit. They've got to expand their strike zone a little bit. I'm not going to second-guess Dusty or Barry Bonds."

    And this: "(Ted) Williams got the same comment, that he never expanded his zone. There are some situations where that might be appropriate. That would be my only critique of a guy like Williams. I prefer (Stan) Musial's approach. He would expand."


    Now my wondering is.
    Who the $@!$ is Tony to question anything Bonds has or ever will do? And who is he to question anything Williams did?

    I've always thought Tony had a big mouth. His A's teams choked. And while I think he is a fine manager and is just trying to rile things up, his comparision of Mac to Bonds and Musial to Williams is rediculous. Tony still thinks Pujols deserves the MVP over Bonds.
    And no, don't even bother trying to turn on my last statement and say Mac and Musial are the better of the pair.
    They aren't. Mac was a great player, the ultimate Dave Kingman and deserves to be in the HoF. Musial is a great player and in the Hall, deservedly so. But they aint Bonds and Williams.
  • keRplunK
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 4080

    #2
    Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

    actually he brought up a good point.

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    • MizzouRah
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 8545

      #3
      Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

      One thing is for sure, Tony is the manager of the year this year. I don't like Bonds one bit, but I've watched Big Mac in person and Bonds is still the best hitter I have ever watched. That guy can flat out hit the ball.

      Todd

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      • snoopy2k2
        Rookie
        • Jul 2002
        • 224

        #4
        Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

        LOL...is this a Missouri thing? Does evurrrone hate him here? I don't like Bonds one bit either, its just his attitude I don't like. I agree that he is a great hitter and is one of the best players to play the game.

        LaRussa has done nothing wrong here, the point is well stated and is not out of the ordinary. I think its great that he is trying to rile things up, thats what the Cardinals need after that loss last night. You seen what that fight did for them...got them on a rally and if Martinez would have connected on a pitch when it was 1st and 2nd in the 8th I think it was, the Cardinals would have won that game.

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        • MizzouRah
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 8545

          #5
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          Must be, Bonds is an arrogant prick, IMO. You have to respect his baseball talent, but just the way he walks makes me sick.

          LaRussa did just fine, there is no love loss between him and Dusty Baker.

          Don't even get me started on Tino Martinez, he needs to do what the Cardinals are paying him for, plain and simple. I know he's new to the National League, but he's like 1-24 so far in the post season and is leaving tons of players on base.

          Todd

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          • Kearnzo
            Banned
            • Jul 2002
            • 5963

            #6
            Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

            The Yankees probably payed Tino to play badly on purpose

            Hey, what else are they gonna do with all that money?

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            • MizzouRah
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              • Jul 2002
              • 8545

              #7
              Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants




              Todd

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              • Will
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 717

                #8
                Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

                I think people are taking him too seriously. He's just trying to get Bonds to swing at the junk they will only throw him. That's all. It runs absolutely no deeper than that.

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                • caseyd
                  D*d y** g*t th* m*m*?
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2367

                  #9
                  Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

                  The thing that ticked me off about Bonds recently was some of his comments after the Braves series. He says something to the effect of, The Braves say they're gonna come after me then I'm gonna make them pay. Ok Barry. it's as if he thinks the Braves are dissrespecting him because they actually choose to pitch to him. He's got an ego the size of California. My dream is for the Twins to stick it to Bud, Carl, and Barry all at once.

                  Some guy on ESPN is saying that comparing Barry and Babe Ruth is doing a disservice..to Bonds. He seems to forget that Babe was not only the greatest hitter of his generation (by a long shot), but also one of his generation's greatest pitchers. Yes, Barry is probably top 3 of all time, but he's no Babe Ruth.

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                  • Liquidrage
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 1198

                    #10
                    Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

                    I agree with the article actually.

                    Ruth played in a league that only allowed a certain segment of the population. Bonds has put up his numbers playing against open competition.

                    Though it comes down to personal opinion there really is no way to truely settle who is the greatest ever.

                    Bonds talking after the Braves series was saying that the Braves said they were going to challenge him by pitching him like a normal good player (ala how teams approach ARod and Sosa). But he claims they didn't challenge him.

                    And my point with Larussa is that he is the ultamite homer. Mac isn't in the same league as Bonds nor is Musial in the league of Williams. To suggest Mac chasing pitches is something Bonds should so is rediculous. Mac's biggest problem (besides health) is that he wasn't selective, hit for a poor average and was as I said, the ultimate Dave Kingman.

                    But I digress. Giants up 2 - 0 with their 2 best post season pitchers coming up. Looking good so far.

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                    • MizzouRah
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 8545

                      #11
                      Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

                      Gotta hand it to San Fran, they are beating the Cardinals in all phases of the game and the Cardinals find themselves in a hole once again.

                      I just hope LaRussa doesn't go into his 'over manage' mode and risk further injury to Rolen by playing him if he's not 95-100%. Finley needs to pitch a good game against the Giants best pitcher. If the Giants can hold off an early Cards attack, they might end this series sooner than even they thought. It's just my opionion, but this is a MUST win for the Cardinals. They need to get some confidence, something the Giants cup runeth over.

                      Todd

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                      • Liquidrage
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 1198

                        #12
                        Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

                        Well it looks like the Cardinals are starting to hit.
                        After that huge Bonds home run the Cardinals answered right back.

                        1 run game right now. This one should come down to the wire.

                        Pressure on the Cards today is huge. But if they do win, the pressure on the Giants tomorrow will be even bigger. If the series goes back to St Loius 2-2 you have to figure the Giants will be emotionally crushed.

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                        • MizzouRah
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 8545

                          #13
                          Re: And so it begins - Cards and Giants

                          Man, can that Bonds hit or what? How do you pitch this guy?? He hits any and every - thing!

                          Nice job by Izzy to close out the game. Pressure is on Benes tomorrow!!

                          Todd

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