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  • 13whitebread
    ORIGINAL SIX FAN
    • Aug 2010
    • 576

    #1

    MLB Hypocrisy

    I wanted to touch on what baseball can learn about forgiveness. Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose are most likely at the top of this list. Because they don’t know about forgiveness from the sport they love because MLB does not know about forgiveness because they have not received it..

    Today MLB has accepted fans legally betting on baseball in fact they have embraced betting on baseball from draft kings and why is this? It all comes down to money and the realization that fans are stepping away from Baseball and also those young kids deciding on playing the game.

    But let’s examine Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. As for Joe he accepted payment $5000.00 for allegedly throwing a World Series however his Stats say otherwise and of course Pete Rose bet on baseball denied it all the way from 1989 to 2004 since then it has been 15 years both men still are not accepted in the baseball hall of fame which it is writer that decideds who gets in not current alive Hall of Famers which has never really made sense to me who knows better the sacrifice it takes to play this game it should be IMO the players that decide.

    Getting a little off track for sure but let’s get back to Pete Rose since he is currently alive and he can still communicate what he is doing now. After the latest scandal from the Houston Astros and the Boston Red Sox it begs the question does Pete Rose and Joe Jackson deserve to be forgiven and brought back into MLB and and the Hall of Fame. It has been 30 years since Pete was barred from baseball how can baseball continue to refuse Rose and Jackson .

    To date we have had the steroid scandal where players were taking performance enhancing drugs to get better numbers to include home runs this is called cheating the game. And with all the former players we have Rodriguez a steroid user on a baseball show as it’s lead analyst how does this show young fans it’s okay to do these things and nothing will happen to you. But Rose still continues to be penalized it just makes no sense. We also have a Boston Red Sox manager refusing to visit the White House because in his own words the President is a liar and a cheat. Be careful judging others because he is now a fired Red Sox Manger for lying and a cheating on the game of baseball the same thing he was doing as a MLB manager.

    The one word that baseball needs in their vocabulary is forgiveness I think humans still struggle with this concept. Pete Rose has definitely paid his penalty 30 years worth. Is betting on baseball and betting on your team to win not to lose but to win worse than taking steroids to not only enhance your stats but to get more money at contract time? The answer is yes of course it is. People can kill someone on this planet serve less time than 30 years and continue their life when they effectively cut down some one else’s life prematurely.

    Look to the NFL Michael Vick was an exceptional talented QB he was convicted of Dog fighting served his time his debt and has been welcomed back into the NFL because of forgiveness. Pete Rose and Joe Jackson still have not. I think it is time for MLB to get back to forgiveness because what they are dabbling in now his called Hypocrisy. MLB has said once Rose has re-configured and changed his life he could be let back into baseball. Well with MLB allowing others to legally bet on baseball it sound like they have reconfigured MLB in the interest of dollars that is what I call Hypocrisy. Rant over
    Last edited by 13whitebread; 03-06-2020, 09:58 AM. Reason: Paragraphs for easier reading
  • Armor and Sword
    The Lama
    • Sep 2010
    • 21794

    #2
    MLB Hypocrisy

    Just want to point out it is absolutely ironclad still that players and MLB personel are forbidden from betting on baseball.

    1. You can’t compare fans who have no influence and no conflict of interest betting on baseball to players and coaches who do have a clear conflict of interest.

    2. I do not disagree about forgiveness and letting Rose to be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame and I also think Clemens, Bonds, ARod all belong in the Hall as well.

    3. Please....just a suggestion. Learn how to use paragraphs. My eyes were almost bleeding reading your post (which was full of passion and a good message but brother it was hard to read).


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    • spike83
      Rookie
      • Jul 2009
      • 348

      #3
      Re: MLB Hypocrisy

      The Pete Rose saga has been discussed and debated to death for so many years I'm really just tired of it and don't care how it eventually plays out. Just my two cents for what's it worth...

      1. Rose crossed a line that it baseball parlance is an act worthy of the punishment handed down. He didn't help his cause that he lied and continued to lie long after his misdeeds were discovered.

      2. I always hated his defense claiming when he bet on the Reds it was only to win (like that was supposed to justify everything). His behavior had residual effects; go ask Mario Soto.

      3. Does Rose belong in the HOF, sure he does and I have no issue with that. The ban is a "Lifetime" one. Once he passes on let him become eligible for the ballot and at that point the voters can decide.

      4. Speaking of baseball hypocrisy, baseball has always liked to boast of its tradition, history and so forth. This is true as we have had the dead ball, live ball, etc. era's. Whether the commissioners office likes it nor not, it needs to acknowledge the "Steroid Era." Heck, they even had promotional campaign built around it. Remember "Chicks Love The Long Ball." I never did buy Baseball nor club ignorance at that time. They knew what was going on, but as long as money was being made, everyone looked the other way. Google Kevin Towers.

      5. That said and in my opinion, those players who performed during the steroid era and accumulated numbers worthy of HOF consideration (and we all know who they are), deserve to be in Cooperstown (no disclaimers on their plaque either!).
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      • kehlis
        Moderator
        • Jul 2008
        • 27738

        #4
        Re: MLB Hypocrisy

        Paragraphs have feelings too.

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        • DamnYanks2
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jun 2007
          • 20794

          #5
          Re: MLB Hypocrisy

          Originally posted by 13whitebread
          I wanted to touch on what baseball can learn about forgiveness. Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose are most likely at the top of this list. Because they don’t know about forgiveness from the sport they love because MLB does not know about forgiveness because they have not received it.. Today MLB has accepted fans legally betting on baseball in fact they have embraced betting on baseball from draft kings and why is this? It all comes down to money and the realization that fans are stepping away from Baseball and also those young kids deciding on playing the game. But let’s examine Joe Jackson and Pete Rose. As for Joe he accepted payment $5000.00 for allegedly throwing a World Series however his Stats say otherwise and of course Pete Rose bet on baseball denied it all the way from 1989 to 2004 since then it has been 15 years both men still are not accepted in the baseball hall of fame which it is writer that decideds who gets in not current alive Hall of Famers which has never really made sense to me who knows better the sacrifice it takes to play this game it should be IMO the players that decide. Getting a little off track for sure but let’s get back to Pete Rose since he is currently alive and he can still communicate what he is doing now. After the latest scandal from the Houston Astros and the Boston Red Sox it begs the question does Pete Rose and Joe Jackson deserve to be forgiven and brought back into MLB and and the Hall of Fame. It has been 30 years since Pete was barred from baseball how can baseball continue to refuse Rose and Jackson . To date we have had the steroid scandal where players were taking performance enhancing drugs to get better numbers to include home runs this is called cheating the game. And with all the former players we have Rodriguez a steroid user on a baseball show as it’s lead analyst how does this show young fans it’s okay to do these things and nothing will happen to you. But Rose still continues to be penalized it just makes no sense. We also have a Boston Red Sox manager refusing to visit the White House because in his own words the President is a liar and a cheat. Be careful judging others because he is now a fired Red Sox Manger for lying and a cheating on the game of baseball the same thing he was doing as a MLB manager. The one word that baseball needs in their vocabulary is forgiveness I think humans still struggle with this concept. Pete Rose has definitely paid his penalty 30 years worth. Is betting on baseball and betting on your team to win not to lose but to win worse than taking steroids to not only enhance your stats but to get more money at contract time? The answer is yes of course it is. People can kill someone on this planet serve less time than 30 years and continue their life when they effectively cut down some one else’s life prematurely. Look to the NFL Michael Vick was an exceptional talented QB he was convicted of Dog fighting served his time his debt and has been welcomed back into the NFL because of forgiveness. Pete Rose and Joe Jackson still have not. I think it is time for MLB to get back to forgiveness because what they are dabbling in now his called Hypocrisy. MLB has said once Rose has re-configured and changed his life he could be let back into baseball. Well with MLB allowing others to legally bet on baseball it sound like they have reconfigured MLB in the interest of dollars that is what I call Hypocrisy. Rant over
          I agree with this rant. Only thing I don't agree with is your spacing lol MLB is definitely hypocritical. But they always have been.

          There are plenty of players in the hall that cheated. Whether is was admitting to using amphetamines. Pitchers still doctoring the ball after it had been outlawed. Then there's guys in the hall that don't even deserve to be in. Then for some reason we get a bunch of sanctimonious/bias writers that hold power on who gets to the hall.

          It's all politics and bull****. And when I really got to thinking about it, because I use to get so annoyed with the voters. I stopped caring. If you've truly watched baseball with a subjective thought process the hall of fame is not complete without Shoeless Joe, Bonds,Clemens and Rose at the very least.

          But it is what it is. To put it bluntly, The hall of fame is a joke really. And I've just finally come to grips with it.

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          • Master Live 013
            Hall Of Fame
            • Oct 2013
            • 12418

            #6
            Re: MLB Hypocrisy

            Regarding Rose, always found the "he only bet on the Reds to win" as a silly and meaningless excuse. So he manages the team and bets that it will win, some days, does he saves his best reliever for the game he is going to bet? Does he rides the starting pitcher a little harder because he has money on the line? Does he gives a day a rest to one of his players so he is fresher for the game that he is betting?

            Maybe, not really, but maybe that defense would work if he bet the same amount of money on all 162 games for the Reds to win.

            Oh, and he also bet on baseball as a player.

            Needless to say that while he doesn't has a plaque his memorabilia is indeed in the Hall.

            I have said before the should amend the sign that's on every clubhouse regarding the no-betting rule and add "Remember Pete Rose. If he can be kept out of the Hall of Fame you will be kept out too". Or something to that effect.
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            • dubcity
              Hall Of Fame
              • May 2012
              • 17874

              #7
              Re: MLB Hypocrisy

              I'm not upset at all about the situation. What will annoy me is if they put him in after he passes. That would be vile. That implies that this punishment is all about making sure Pete Rose, the man, feels bad about himself.

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