Poll on increasing the action in MLB

[canes21]

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I don't understand the outrage over the shift. Never will.



If hitters are too stubborn, or flat out incompetent, refusing to drive the ball the other way, thats on THEM.



.. Manfred is the problem I see. The only things that are broken in the game are the dumb @$$ ideas he's put in place.

Players have too much pride to hit the ball the other way when teams shift on them. That's it, they simply choose not to take advantage of the shift.

Do you think if it was possible to hit the ball the other way deliberately and consistently that the shift would be as prevalent?

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[reyes the roof]

Re: Poll on increasing the action in MLB

I don't understand the outrage over the shift. Never will.

If hitters are too stubborn, or flat out incompetent, refusing to drive the ball the other way, thats on THEM.

.. Manfred is the problem I see. The only things that are broken in the game are the dumb @$$ ideas he's put in place.

Totally agree. I don’t like seeing players stacked on one side of the field, but making a rule that makes it easier for hitters that can only hit to one side of the field isn’t the solution. Stop trying to “improve” the game and let players adjust. Guys started alternating their launch angles and the ball was flying out of the park. Pitchers figured out they just need to throw up in the zone, but MLB also deadened the ball so now we have the year of the pitcher and MLB will do something to try and fix what they fixed

[Blzer]

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Totally agree. I don’t like seeing players stacked on one side of the field, but making a rule that makes it easier for hitters that can only hit to one side of the field isn’t the solution. Stop trying to “improve” the game and let players adjust. Guys started alternating their launch angles and the ball was flying out of the park. Pitchers figured out they just need to throw up in the zone, but MLB also deadened the ball so now we have the year of the pitcher and MLB will do something to try and fix what they fixed

They did no such thing. There is an alteration, but the substantiality is minimalized. A 400 foot hit is maybe now going 395, at worst. It's not reverted back to, say, the year 2010 (just to be on the safe side).

Regarding shifting, I would love to see players bunt on the shift as much as the next guy. But for now, I'd just like a level of legally set compromises. My shift proposal would alter very little in current shifts, except for the embarrassing examples. What they're restricting at the lower levels is overkill, but there should be some semblance of the original positions still within the shift.

I mentioned this once before, but at minimum I would certainly like to see a position declared at the beginning of a plate appearance, in such a way that the third baseman should always be left of the shortstop during that sequence, etc.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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Do you think if it was possible to hit the ball the other way deliberately and consistently that the shift would be as prevalent?

As long as these guys have had a bat in their hands, they should be able to figure it out.

Even Junior, with the perfect, natural, uppercut, pure pull homer swing started out as a guy who drove the ball all over the place. (.327 his 3rd year, wasn't a 40 HR guy until his 5th season)

[canes21]

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As long as these guys have had a bat in their hands, they should be able to figure it out.



Even Junior, with the perfect, natural, uppercut, pure pull homer swing started out as a guy who drove the ball all over the place. (.327 his 3rd year, wasn't a 40 HR guy until his 5th season)

If hitting the ball the other way was easier then we'd see the players doing it. It's that simple. Do you honestly think 99% of players are simply choosing to hit the ball into the shift?

So Ken Griffey Jr. was able to hit the ball the other way a bit more consistently than most players. He was also an elite talent that 99.99% of MLB players can't compare to.

These arguments make me laugh because people act like these players have never thought of hitting the ball away from the shift. You can take some of the best hitters in baseball and tell them to only hit it the other way and they're going to fail more often than not to do that. If you pitch them properly you can make it near impossible to hit it the other way

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[Blzer]

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As long as these guys have had a bat in their hands, they should be able to figure it out.

Even Junior, with the perfect, natural, uppercut, pure pull homer swing started out as a guy who drove the ball all over the place. (.327 his 3rd year, wasn't a 40 HR guy until his 5th season)

If Griffey played today, he would be heavily shifted against in the infield as well. He may lift the ball the other way in the air, but his swing doesn't produce ground balls to the left side of the field on a regular basis.

[Master Live 013]

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There is no adjusting, whoever is waiting for hitters to adjust is the same people waiting for Bud to post Lopez.

Not changing their swings and trying to hit it pass the shift is "better" in terms of swing (you don't need to mess around with it) and mentally (no need to start "thinking" while hitting). In general, whoever was going to adjust has already adjusted or they won't.

Franchises can adjust systematically in their scouting, who they draft, how they develop their hitters etc.

And there are no embarrassing shifts, just smart and smarter shifts.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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If hitting the ball the other way was easier then we'd see the players doing it. It's that simple. Do you honestly think 99% of players are simply choosing to hit the ball into the shift?

Yes, based on what I've seen, I believe the overwhelming majority of these players are too stubborn to change their approach.

[DarthRambo]

MLB plans to eliminate the shift next for 2022 season

I just heard on the radio that they will be eliminating the shift. Also next season the 7 inning double headers will go back to 9 innings, and we will not have the extra inning rule. Thoughts? I personally LOVE this! Let's make baseball look like baseball again!

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[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: MLB plans to eliminate the shift next for 2022 season

How can they mandate how a team chooses to play defense? More Manfred stupidity.

I look forward to his next idiotic idea, apparently he has a limitless supply of them.

Owners better run him off before it is too late.

[DarthRambo]

Re: MLB plans to eliminate the shift next for 2022 season

I think the majority of fans want to see the game how they remember playing it as a kid overall. It is kind of crazy how baseball looks and plays the same until you get to pro ball then it looks and plays completely different. Also, getting rid of shifts will prompt teams to have lineups where it's not 1-9 trying to hit a homerun. We might actually see the revival of more speed and contact in lineups instead of either strikeout or homeruns.

Guys like Rizzo, you can tell him all you want to hit the other way but he just can't. I'd love to see ppl who say that go try and do what you think a pro baseball player should be able to do 100% of the time. And I assume it makes it even harder when the pitcher will never pitch him outside to give him a better chance. Rizzo just as an example knows he's either going to have to hit a homerun OR hit it into about 5 guys standing 20ft from each other. For the fans that sucks and isn't fun.

Left handed hitters are hitting .203 or something ridiculous on balls put in play this year. It's ridiculous and just not fun to watch as a fan. Forget the players, it's gotta be fans first as a priority if you want more people watching.



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[canes21]

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Yes, based on what I've seen, I believe the overwhelming majority of these players are too stubborn to change their approach.

Yea, the majority of these players are throwing away potential millions of dollars because they have too much pride to try and hit the ball where the defense isn't.

Come on lol.

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[DarthRambo]

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Yes, based on what I've seen, I believe the overwhelming majority of these players are too stubborn to change their approach.

No. They literally just can't. They do not have the ability to against major league pitching. In HS and probably college I bet they could and did.

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[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: MLB plans to eliminate the shift next for 2022 season

I've never seen a League mandate fundamentals like this, outside of health and safety (horsecollar tackles, face mask, head slap) or blatant unfair advantage (holding, 5-yard chuck, bump and run)

This would be like the NFL outlawing the 3-4 defense. Just makes no sense.

I'll be curious to hear what career baseball personnel have to say about this.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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These guys have had a bat in their hands their entire lives.

You'll never convince me they don't have the knowledge, ability, or discipline to adapt to another style of play.

Optimal? Desired? Probably not. Flat out unable? That takes the PRO right out of professional.