I lost some respect for Schilling

[SPTO]

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I don't mind the comments so much if it was during his weekly radio appearance. The man speaks his mind and that's the refreshing thing about him. I didn't see any of the games against Boston but I did see Dewon Brazelton beaning the Jays like it was out of style (which it is LOL) In fact last night Gustavo Chacin got fed up with Jays players getting beaned that he beaned a Tampa player. (forget who) It seems to me that Tampa has pitchers that can't control their stuff very well.

[Stu]

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It seems to me that Tampa has pitchers that can't control their stuff very well.

Yup and that's exactly how this whole thing started. Piniella needs to teach his young pitchers, especially Kazmir, how to pitch inside with control. It's not a coincidence that Kazmir's 4 career HBP are all vs Manny and Millar.

[nkhera1]

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Yup and that's exactly how this whole thing started. Piniella needs to teach his young pitchers, especially Kazmir, how to pitch inside with control. It's not a coincidence that Kazmir's 4 career HBP are all vs Manny and Millar.

Lol Red Sox pitchers need to learn to control pitches as well. Just look at how many Yankees players they have hit in the past few years.

[Stu]

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Lol Red Sox pitchers need to learn to control pitches as well. Just look at how many Yankees players they have hit in the past few years.

Very true, but in fairness to the Red Sox I'd guess a good portion of those are on Derek Jeter who is notorious for hanging over the plate. I remember 2 years ago Pedro led off the game but hitting Soriano and Jeter. There's a difference between establishing the inside of the plate vs wildly throwing with no real purpose.

[sammyc521]

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Regardless of circumstances, it was foolish for Schilling to criticize Lou. Lou has been in the game much longer than Schilling and has proven himself as a player and as a manager.

I think that Schilling has the right to speak his mind, but he shouldn't bring Lou's own players into this mess. Schilling is going off stuff he 'heard' from TB players... That reeks of 'vagueness.' I hear a lot of things, but it doesn't make it true. Also, why would TB players allow themselves to speak poorly about their manager infront of Schilling?

I think Schilling does a lot of stupid things. This is one of them...wearing a EQ hat is another [I'm glad I've never seen a picture of that...I might have to go find some dorm kids and beat up them up for it... ]. And promoting your political candidate during the World Series was stupid. Think about your team and their games before you go out campaigning for your guy.

[Thrasha]

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Although I highly disagree with Curt Schilling's political stance and things of that nature, I respect him for being out in the open about it and many other subjects (for the most part). I could see how some people would be sick of hearing/seeing him though, especially if they aren't Red Sox fans or just plain don't care for him. He seems to be making headlines an awful lot lately for some off the field issues.

I also was disapointed with what he said at the steroid hearings, he had the chance to step up and speak out. But just like usual the "union" in some shape or form has an influence on what players or any other workers do or say.

[Stu]

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He seems to be making headlines an awful lot lately for some off the field issues.

It's just that ESPN picks up the stuff and it becomes headline news. Most of what he says is on his weekly WEEI radio appearance. Keith Foulke also has a weekly appearance but you never hear any of his quotes.

[sammyc521]

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It's just that ESPN picks up the stuff and it becomes headline news. Most of what he says is on his weekly WEEI radio appearance. Keith Foulke also has a weekly appearance but you never hear any of his quotes.

Maybe Foulke isn't as interesting?

[Stu]

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Maybe Foulke isn't as interesting?

Foulke actually has some pretty interesting things to say. He was very critical of the TB pitching staff, especially Carter. It's just that his name isn't Curt Schilling so they ignore it.

ESPN loves to take people like Schilling who speak their mind, print everything they say, then bitch about how they're overexposed and should just shut-up. I'm at the end of my patience with ESPN in general. The fact that interview responses get more press than actual sporting events just pisses me off. I also saw a headline on there asking if the NL Central race is over. Do they realize it's April?

[SportsTop]

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Jesus. To hear you guys talk you'd think some of you wanted robots playing MLB, not human beings.

Schilling has an opinion.....so what. He has an opinion on things other than baseball (maybe political in nature or related to ALS).....so what. I don't hear you people complaining that he should remove K ALS off of his cleats.

Oh wait, that's different, right?

None of it detracted from the fact that he helped his team win the World Series (in his first year I might add). He obviously has no problem distancing himself from outside influences when it comes time to get the job done.

I could care less if Pinella has "proven" himself as a player and coach. If he is telling his pitchers to throw anywhere near an opposing players head then he should be called out. I think Lou's frustation of trying to build a team from the ground up with an unsupportive owner has finally pushed him over the edge.

[Matteh]

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Yup and that's exactly how this whole thing started. Piniella needs to teach his young pitchers, especially Kazmir, how to pitch inside with control. It's not a coincidence that Kazmir's 4 career HBP are all vs Manny and Millar.

Kazmir's only 21, he'll develop that control. Pedro Martinez as a youngster hit guys left and right trying to pitch inside but he turned out ok. It's not a coincidence that Arroyo has hit Huff twice in less than a year either.

[sammyc521]

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If Lou says he never orders his pitchers to retaliate, I'd side with Lou.

During his time in Seattle he was always honest with reporters, his players and management. For a guy that has such a burning passion to win, I can't see beaning people at all helpful to his urge to win.

To add another point, Schilling is saying this right before he goes on the DL. But he's said all sorts of stuff regardless of the events surrounding him.

And the point that he won a WS in his first year with the BoSox, that doesn't mean anything. He's a veteran. He's supposed to help them win a WS. He's not some rookie with no big-league experience.

[SportsTop]

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And the point that he won a WS in his first year with the BoSox, that doesn't mean anything. He's a veteran. He's supposed to help them win a WS. He's not some rookie with no big-league experience.

What's your point?

That statment was made in direct reference to this:

I think Schilling does a lot of stupid things. This is one of them...wearing a EQ hat is another [I'm glad I've never seen a picture of that...I might have to go find some dorm kids and beat up them up for it... ]. And promoting your political candidate during the World Series was stupid. Think about your team and their games before you go out campaigning for your guy.

Again, how did Schilling having an opinion on things other than baseball affect him "thinking about is team and their games"?

[sammyc521]

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None of it detracted from the fact that he helped his team win the World Series (in his first year I might add). He obviously has no problem distancing himself from outside influences when it comes time to get the job done.

I can't read your mind through your post so if I misdirect my replies please excuse me.

When I read that statement above, I took it alone, not in reference to anything else.

I remember he took a lot of heat for his political side [maybe it has to do with the state in which he plays] but a lot of people didn't want to hear it when they wanted to hear about his bloody sock and pitching in the WS. He pitched through it without a problem as you've pointed out, that's true. He then apologized about his political brigade later after the WS was over in a back-handed kind of way for it and said it was something that he would characterize as stupid.

I guess the point is, he's talking about Lou Pinella, who he has never talked to. He's making comments about Lou's managering style and claiming that Lou runs a mutantous roster that talks about him behind Lou's back.

I think it's a stupid thing that Schilling said, so stupid that Lou took real offense to that and actually wanted to talk to to Schilling face-to-face to either knock him on the head or to set things straight.

So in the end, you're right, whatever Schilling has said doesn't seem to affect his team as he has pitched on and on.

[Stu]

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I think it's a stupid thing that Schilling said, so stupid that Lou took real offense to that and actually wanted to talk to to Schilling face-to-face to either knock him on the head or to set things straight.

I think Lou understands that it was something said in the heat of a bad situation. I got the impression that Lou wanted to speak with him to put it to rest. Everyone involved should understand this is not something Schilling would say under normal circumstances.