2009 Atlanta Braves

[tonybologna]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4764085

You can't be serious? Cabrera for Vazquez? C'mone Braves!

I thought Lowe was the starting pitcher we were wanting to deal? We just got rid of our beast overall pitcher for an outfielder when we need a 1B. IMO, this was a stupid move just like too many other moves in the past. I just don't get it.

I could see Lowe in this deal but even him for Melky Cabrera isn't a good deal to me. We get one other player but we also gave up Boone Logan(no biggy there). Mike Dunn is the other player we get from the Yanks so this just seems so stupid to me.

All the talks were about getting rid of Lowe more than Vazquez. Lowe I wouldn't miss one bit but you can't replace a Javier Vazquez. This again is a money move to get rid of the $11.5 we were owed to Vazquez this coming season & we didn't want to make him an extension offer for that kind of money so what do we do? Of course, trade him because he's one of the best pitchers in MLB. This Matt is what I'm talking about with such cheap & very questionable moves.

Yeah, I'm very frustrated over this move. And, it points to what I have kept saying about these crazy & stupid transaction we seem to make from the front office. We got an average at best OF guy for an All-Star top notch SP in this league. It makes no sense to me other than what I've always said about the Braves. We look to get by cheaper.

I don't know how much we have to pay Cabrera but you know it's gonna be quite a bit cheaper than what we was gonna pay Vazquez. I guess this means we keep Lowe now? If so, then this will show how more stupid we are. We get rid of Vazquez over Lowe? Maybe we now deal Lowe too but I now wonder if we eat his big contract after all? He should be the one to go elsewhere & not Vazquez.

I'm disappointed AGAIN by the Braves organization. It's like a broken record for the type transactions & moves they make year after year.

[Heisman316]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4764085

You can't be serious? Cabrera for Vazquez? C'mone Braves!

I thought Lowe was the starting pitcher we were wanting to deal? We just got rid of our beast overall pitcher for an outfielder when we need a 1B. IMO, this was a stupid move just like too many other moves in the past. I just don't get it.

I could see Lowe in this deal but even him for Melky Cabrera isn't a good deal to me. We get one other player but we also gave up Boone Logan(no biggy there). Mike Dunn is the other player we get from the Yanks so this just seems so stupid to me.

All the talks were about getting rid of Lowe more than Vazquez. Lowe I wouldn't miss one bit but you can't replace a Javier Vazquez. This again is a money move to get rid of the $11.5 we were owed to Vazquez this coming season & we didn't want to make him an extension offer for that kind of money so what do we do? Of course, trade him because he's one of the best pitchers in MLB. This Matt is what I'm talking about with such cheap & very questionable moves.

Yeah, I'm very frustrating over this move. And, it points to what I have kept saying about these crazy & stupid transaction we seem to make from the front office. We got an average at best OF guy for an All-Star top notch SP in this league. It makes no sense to me other than what I've always said about the Braves. We look to get by cheaper.

I don't know how much we have to pay Cabrera but you know it's gonna be quite a bit cheaper than what we was gonna pay Vazquez. I guess this means we keep Lowe now? If so, then this will show how more stupid we are. We get rid of Vazquez over Lowe? Maybe we now deal Lowe too but I now wonder if we eat his big contract after all? He should be the one to go elsewhere & not Vazquez.

I'm disappointed AGAIN by the Braves organization. It's like a broken record for the type transactions & moves they make year after year.

Boom. Next offseason we'll trade Melky.

It's becoming a circle of stop and go for Atlanta acquistions.

[Speedy]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Absolutely horrible trade. I understand Javy only had 1 year left but we definately could've gotten more if we waited until spring training or when a team has a SP go down (which is inevitable).

[tonybologna]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Boom. Next offseason we'll trade Melky.

It's becoming a circle of stop and go for Atlanta acquistions.

Can any Braves fan out there give me a good solid reason why trading Melky Cabrera for Javier Vazquez is a good idea or option? This is crazy! Oh, I know why now. It's all about the $.

[tonybologna]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Why don't we consider bringing back DeRosa? I mean he's a utility player that can play 1B full time while filling in at other positions. I'd take him anyday over Nady & Church as a choice at 1B.

His demanding salary is around $6 million/year. Maybe sign him to a one year or even two-year contract until Freeman is ready to take over. I don't know what DeRosa wants though in the terms of the number of years with a contract.

He's a solid player that can play all fielding positions except probably CF but could even play that if needed. He can hit for a decent average & give us some power along with pretty good defensive play as well. Besides, he's a former Brave too!

[Bamafan3723]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

What a great move!
































NOT!!!!

[jt45]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Less than enthused about the Melky deal. But I will reserve judgment until I see who we sign to fill-out the lineup. I want to give Wren a chance to show this is part of a bigger plan.

edit: The more I read, the more Dunn sounds like he can help our bullpen more so than Logan and maybe even O'Flaherty will in 2010. He looks like a solid arm.

Also, the prospect we are getting was the Yankees no. 1 pitching prospect last season (no. 3 overall) and only turned 19 a month ago. I would expect him in Myrtle Beach next year.

[mattlanta]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Less than enthused about the Melky deal. But I will reserve judgment until I see who we sign to fill-out the lineup. I want to give Wren a chance to show this is part of a bigger plan.

edit: The more I read, the more Dunn sounds like he can help our bullpen more so than Logan and maybe even O'Flaherty will in 2010. He looks like a solid arm.

Also, the prospect we are getting was the Yankees no. 1 pitching prospect last season (no. 3 overall) and only turned 19 a month ago. I would expect him in Myrtle Beach next year.

Dunn and Vizcaino aren't what we need right now. Dunn is a solid arm, but we have more than enough solid young arms in AAA. Vizcaino is two-three years away from even thinking of contributing.

I was talking to my brother about this because he's a Yankee fan. A couple days ago I said if the Yankees wanted Vazquez, they would have to give up Jesus Montero and Nick Swisher.

[Garydee]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

At first I hated the deal but the fact we are getting a great prospect like Vizcaino makes this a very good deal for the Braves.

[tonybologna]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Guys! I don't care how you look at this trade. It's not a good trade for who we got in return. For me, & it's my opinion of course, I think no matter what it's stupid. I mean we just got rid of Vazquez. If we didn't want to deal with his contract then why did we get him from the White Sox to begin with here?

We knew what his contract was before that trade. He was in that final year of the contract. He has proven worth that money from the contract. We had no intentions of keeping him even though he has showed he's one of the best pitchers in baseball. It makes no sense to me.

We could've waited to trade him later if anything. Maybe during the season at the trade deadline. He had nothing to prove though. He was deserving of the contract but we still made the deal & knew what money he was going to be getting.

It's stupid period. Why wouldn't you make a serious thought about keeping the best pitcher on your staff & one of the best in MLB ? He's certainly gonna help & give you a better chance at the post-season no matter what. This just proves it's always about the money with the Braves organization.

[jt45]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Like I said above. I'm holding off on my judgment until I see who we sign with the money we freed up. I wouldn't be shocked to see Wren move quickly and get something done in the next 48 hours before the league office close until January 4.

[mattlanta]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Like I said above. I'm holding off on my judgment until I see who we sign with the money we freed up. I wouldn't be shocked to see Wren move quickly and get something done in the next 48 hours before the league office close until January 4.

+1

[CWood2]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Wren is tanking this offseason.

First, he signs two (old) end of game relievers expecting Soriano to decline arbitration, panics when he accepts, and gives him away for nothing (see Jesse Chavez, who I was forced to google as a means of introduction).

Next, he moves a horse after giving up early on moving DLowe and gets ... ANOTHER left handed hitter with limited pop when you need a big right handed power hitter. This when you've got Nate McClouth in CF and Jordan Schafer still waiting in the wings ... and your all world prospect is ... you guessed it, LEFT handed!!

At absolute best case, you can define Wren's moves as reactionary. In my case, you can say these trades are terrible, and have done nothing to fill the holes in the lineup. Hopefully more coming in the form of an Uggla trade, or maybe a bid on Bay. But with payroll constraints, I'm not sure either of those are legit pursuits. And to Tony's point 2 posts earlier, even if you freed up cash to go after a high prized free agent, you got NOTHING for 2 all stars. Judging both trades on their own merit, the Braves got completely outclassed to the Rays and Yankees and what they got.

Damnit I miss John Shuerholtz ...

[Mr. Franchise]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

Wren is tanking this offseason.

First, he signs two (old) end of game relievers expecting Soriano to decline arbitration, panics when he accepts, and gives him away for nothing (see Jesse Chavez, who I was forced to google as a means of introduction).

Next, he moves a horse after giving up early on moving DLowe and gets ... ANOTHER left handed hitter with limited pop when you need a big right handed power hitter. This when you've got Nate McClouth in CF and Jordan Schafer still waiting in the wings ... and your all world prospect is ... you guessed it, LEFT handed!!

At absolute best case, you can define Wren's moves as reactionary. In my case, you can say these trades are terrible, and have done nothing to fill the holes in the lineup. Hopefully more coming in the form of an Uggla trade, or maybe a bid on Bay. But with payroll constraints, I'm not sure either of those are legit pursuits. And to Tony's point 2 posts earlier, even if you freed up cash to go after a high prized free agent, you got NOTHING for 2 all stars. Judging both trades on their own merit, the Braves got completely outclassed to the Rays and Yankees and what they got.

Damnit I miss John Shuerholtz ...

Melky is a switch hitter.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

For everyone saying that this offseason has been a disaster, I remind you that the same was said last year (in fact the Braves were labeled as having had the worst offseason last year) and it turned out to be a pretty good offseason.