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  • CWood2
    TNA & WWE thanks you
    • May 2004
    • 4356

    #961
    Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

    As hard as I'm being on Wren - I still hate the trades - there's a really tough bridge that he's got to make. Get to 2011 where you hope Heyward and Freeman are making their way towards the middle of the lineup ... but without Bobby, and maybe without the All-Star version of Chipper Jones.

    To me, the Braves are questionable in the corner outfield and at the end of the game, and their big run producer from the right side is coming off a major injury. The salary relief of Soriano and Vazquez isn't enough to go get Bay or Holliday, and both of those guys could have netted more in spring training or even at the trade deadline where injuries and pennant hopes change everything. But most importantly, you don't have any building blocks (aside maybe from Arodys Vizcaino) to show for the loss of a 219 inning gamer and a 27 save closer, both with ERAs under 3.00. Melky is no more of a starter than Matt Diaz, and Chavez is far from a setup guy. And you're still going to have to work around the contracts of Lowe and Kawakami next year, which of course isn't a reflection of this offseason, but still something to think about.

    Anyway, 2 bad trades for my money, a good risk taken in Glaus, and hopefully another trade or two to provide some solidity to the outfield or bullpen.

    Separately, who do you guys see stepping up in the bullpen this spring? I'm hoping Kimbrel and Valdez get a shot. Hearing good things about Gearrin and Hale too in terms of power arms down the road.

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    • tonybologna
      MVP
      • Sep 2005
      • 9092

      #962
      Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

      Originally posted by CWood2
      As hard as I'm being on Wren - I still hate the trades - there's a really tough bridge that he's got to make. Get to 2011 where you hope Heyward and Freeman are making their way towards the middle of the lineup ... but without Bobby, and maybe without the All-Star version of Chipper Jones.

      To me, the Braves are questionable in the corner outfield and at the end of the game, and their big run producer from the right side is coming off a major injury. The salary relief of Soriano and Vazquez isn't enough to go get Bay or Holliday, and both of those guys could have netted more in spring training or even at the trade deadline where injuries and pennant hopes change everything. But most importantly, you don't have any building blocks (aside maybe from Arodys Vizcaino) to show for the loss of a 219 inning gamer and a 27 save closer, both with ERAs under 3.00. Melky is no more of a starter than Matt Diaz, and Chavez is far from a setup guy. And you're still going to have to work around the contracts of Lowe and Kawakami next year, which of course isn't a reflection of this offseason, but still something to think about.

      Anyway, 2 bad trades for my money, a good risk taken in Glaus, and hopefully another trade or two to provide some solidity to the outfield or bullpen.

      Separately, who do you guys see stepping up in the bullpen this spring? I'm hoping Kimbrel and Valdez get a shot. Hearing good things about Gearrin and Hale too in terms of power arms down the road.
      I thought you are a Red Sox fan? But, you say for my money about the trades. Maybe you was just referring if it was your money but I took that as coming from a point of view from a Braves fan.
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      • jt45
        All Star
        • Apr 2003
        • 5074

        #963
        Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

        Here's wishing you all a Merry Christmas and that Frank Wren goes and gets us Nady and Derosa!

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        • mattlanta
          MVP
          • Aug 2008
          • 2384

          #964
          Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

          Originally posted by CWood2
          As hard as I'm being on Wren - I still hate the trades - there's a really tough bridge that he's got to make. Get to 2011 where you hope Heyward and Freeman are making their way towards the middle of the lineup ... but without Bobby, and maybe without the All-Star version of Chipper Jones.

          To me, the Braves are questionable in the corner outfield and at the end of the game, and their big run producer from the right side is coming off a major injury. The salary relief of Soriano and Vazquez isn't enough to go get Bay or Holliday, and both of those guys could have netted more in spring training or even at the trade deadline where injuries and pennant hopes change everything. But most importantly, you don't have any building blocks (aside maybe from Arodys Vizcaino) to show for the loss of a 219 inning gamer and a 27 save closer, both with ERAs under 3.00. Melky is no more of a starter than Matt Diaz, and Chavez is far from a setup guy. And you're still going to have to work around the contracts of Lowe and Kawakami next year, which of course isn't a reflection of this offseason, but still something to think about.

          Anyway, 2 bad trades for my money, a good risk taken in Glaus, and hopefully another trade or two to provide some solidity to the outfield or bullpen.

          Separately, who do you guys see stepping up in the bullpen this spring? I'm hoping Kimbrel and Valdez get a shot. Hearing good things about Gearrin and Hale too in terms of power arms down the road.
          Frank Wren isn't done yet. We have nearly $12M left to spend, and I'm sure Wren still has something bakin' in the oven.

          As for Kimbrel and Valdez... I really thought Valdez would be given the opportunity to start on the major league bullpen this season. I believe I said it here where I mentioned Valdez's control issues seem to have gotten a lot better and he's ready to take the next step. However, with the trades for Michael Dunn and Jesse Chavez, his chances aren't looking so good now. As for Kimbrel, he's not ready. His control is just not there yet.

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          • jt45
            All Star
            • Apr 2003
            • 5074

            #965
            Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

            Originally posted by mattlanta
            Frank Wren isn't done yet. We have nearly $12M left to spend, and I'm sure Wren still has something bakin' in the oven.

            As for Kimbrel and Valdez... I really thought Valdez would be given the opportunity to start on the major league bullpen this season. I believe I said it here where I mentioned Valdez's control issues seem to have gotten a lot better and he's ready to take the next step. However, with the trades for Michael Dunn and Jesse Chavez, his chances aren't looking so good now. As for Kimbrel, he's not ready. His control is just not there yet.
            Don't forget about Proctor rehabbing for a spot.

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            • CWood2
              TNA & WWE thanks you
              • May 2004
              • 4356

              #966
              Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

              Originally posted by tonybologna
              I thought you are a Red Sox fan? But, you say for my money about the trades. Maybe you was just referring if it was your money but I took that as coming from a point of view from a Braves fan.
              Fair enough, lol

              For others asking the same question, I'm a Sox fan since birth, and a Braves fan since witnessing the "worst to first" run in '91 on TBS as a young buck. So in future posts, know that I would never bring my "budget buster, DH loving, $51M posting fee just to talk to Daisuke" viewpoints to a national league team thread ...

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              • mattlanta
                MVP
                • Aug 2008
                • 2384

                #967
                Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                Originally posted by CWood2
                Fair enough, lol

                For others asking the same question, I'm a Sox fan since birth, and a Braves fan since witnessing the "worst to first" run in '91 on TBS as a young buck. So in future posts, know that I would never bring my "budget buster, DH loving, $51M posting fee just to talk to Daisuke" viewpoints to a national league team thread ...
                I'm a Braves fan, and a second-hand Yankee fan... said this a bunch of times already but... I grew up in the Bronx... moved there from the Philippines, and the Yankees were the first team that I started following. But I'm an all-ATL fan (hence the name) so I fell in love with the Braves also.

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                • tonybologna
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 9092

                  #968
                  Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                  Originally posted by mattlanta
                  I'm a Braves fan, and a second-hand Yankee fan... said this a bunch of times already but... I grew up in the Bronx... moved there from the Philippines, and the Yankees were the first team that I started following. But I'm an all-ATL fan (hence the name) so I fell in love with the Braves also.
                  Braves & Yankees don't mix around my neck of the woods!
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                  • mattlanta
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2384

                    #969
                    Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                    Originally posted by tonybologna
                    Braves & Yankees don't mix around my neck of the woods!
                    TOO BAD!!!

                    No really... Braves over Yankees every day of the week. But whenever a Yankee game is on, I watch it.

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                    • jt45
                      All Star
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 5074

                      #970
                      Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                      You guys see the note about Atlanta being interested in acquiring Dan Uggla and playing him in left field???

                      According to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Braves have "mild" interest in Marlins second baseman Dan Uggla, who they …


                      Florida says they would need to be bowled over to deal him within division. I have no clue what we could offer. Any ideas? I definitely like the thought of that bat in the outfield.

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                      • mattlanta
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 2384

                        #971
                        Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                        Originally posted by jt45
                        You guys see the note about Atlanta being interested in acquiring Dan Uggla and playing him in left field???

                        According to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Braves have "mild" interest in Marlins second baseman Dan Uggla, who they …


                        Florida says they would need to be bowled over to deal him within division. I have no clue what we could offer. Any ideas? I definitely like the thought of that bat in the outfield.
                        I just read this. And yeah, I think it'd be a good trade. In order for us to get him, however, we'll have to trade away someone like Kris Medlen, perhaps along with a lesser known prospect. Whether or not that's too high of a price is very debatable, and I've been going back and forth and I've just decided that it's a risk worth taking.

                        Jason Bay and Matt Holliday are the only bats out there for us to acquire without having to give up too many prospects. However, they are asking for too much and we don't have that much room to work around in our salary cap. What I'd prefer is to trade away a prospect like Randall Delgado along with a mid-tier prospect for Uggla. I think Teheran is too high on Wren's list to trade and I like Arodys' potential. Although if we had to trade Arodys along with a lesser prospect for Uggla, I'd do that too.

                        If we get Uggla, by the way, we'd have a very strong lineup. I'd imagine we'd place him in left, but he could easily become our first baseman with the injury risks of Troy Glaus. A lineup that includes Chipper Jones, Troy Glaus, Brian McCann, and Dan Uggla in the middle of the order is a tough one to pitch against.

                        Another option I was thinking of going with was trading McLouth to perhaps the Cubs for a couple of prospects and then using the money freed up on Jason Bay. Our offer may not be the best he's seen so far, but I don't think he wants to play for New York, and the opportunity window that Boston gave him to come back may have passed.

                        Either way, I'm at least a little excited that the Braves aren't done with their moves. I was getting a little worried that Liberty Media has cut the payroll again and left Wren nothing to work with this offseason.

                        Also, the trade that I think they'd be bowled over would probably include one or two pitchers from the group of Medlen, Vizcaino, Teheran, and Delgado along with perhaps Schafer... I personally wouldn't include Schafer.
                        Last edited by mattlanta; 12-27-2009, 02:42 AM.

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                        • Tomahawk
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 1593

                          #972
                          Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                          I read something on mlbtraderumors about the Rays shopping Pat Burrell and the Braves being a possible destination. If that is the case we should have just packaged Soriano for him to start with.
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                          • tonybologna
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 9092

                            #973
                            Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                            I've always liked Uggla. He has some power but doesn't hit for average too much. He's decent as a defensive 2B but not great. He makes quite a few errors but his bat & power can help us out. The problem I see with this is the fact of moving him to LF.

                            He's not used to that position so it would be sort of like the Chipper situation a few years ago when we tried him in LF. That didn't work out too well. I see that Uggla wants to stay at 2B. I say he could play LF but I just don't know about this on a regular basis.

                            The Marlins are looking to trade him but moving him to LF for us seems like a less chance than him being traded to a team where he stays at 2B. I do agree though with a previous poster about Glaus. If Glaus was to not be able to go from 1B then Uggla could certainly play 1B for us if needed.

                            What amazes me in MLB is how many teams that want to trade great players just to get rid of that $. The Braves aren't the only team that does this by any means because many teams do this. I just don't understand it sometimes. You're making your team worse & just telling the world we're not looking to win.
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                            • BravesBoy
                              dare i say...en fuego?
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 698

                              #974
                              Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                              my open in day line-up as we stand right now
                              c-McCann
                              1st-Glaus
                              2nd-Prado
                              3rd-Chipper
                              ss-Escobar
                              lf-Diaz
                              cf-McLouth
                              rf-Heyward

                              reserves-
                              Melky
                              Schafer
                              Infante
                              Ross
                              Conrad

                              i think were pretty soild, jus hopin we move Melky and maybe sign a bigger bat in the OF
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                              • tonybologna
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 9092

                                #975
                                Re: 2009 Atlanta Braves

                                Originally posted by BravesBoy
                                my open in day line-up as we stand right now
                                c-McCann
                                1st-Glaus
                                2nd-Prado
                                3rd-Chipper
                                ss-Escobar
                                lf-Diaz
                                cf-McLouth
                                rf-Heyward

                                reserves-
                                Melky
                                Schafer
                                Infante
                                Ross
                                Conrad

                                i think were pretty soild, jus hopin we move Melky and maybe sign a bigger bat in the OF
                                I don't see us trying to trade Melky at all. We just traded our best starting pitcher for him as the main part of the deal. Melky is due $2.6 I believe this coming season. I don't see us trying to get a bigger bat for him after the trade.

                                I'm not happy at all about the trade to get Melky but I hope he succeeds for us this coming season. I do believe though he's looking at a platoon situation. If Heyward fails then Melky can step in & play the position.

                                Plus, Melky can play all OF positions too. Heck, Heyward isn't a lock to make the team either out of spring training. Schafer has to be another player considered for the roster if we don't trade him before.
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                                RIP Pat Summitt: We will all miss you!

                                Jeremiah 29:11

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