2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

[HustlinOwl]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

oh well agree to disagree, here's to Price proving me wrong, but he wont

[redsrule]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

oh well agree to disagree, here's to Price proving me wrong, but he wont

sorry the prospects for Marshall made no sense why go after Marshall if you already had Chapman and then Broxton extension?

The plan all along was to move Chapman into the rotation. Marshall was brought in to be the setup man/LOOGY.

Last year they extended Broxton to be the closer, but in ST Chapman didn't want to start, so the Reds ended up paying Broxton a lot of money to be a setup man.



I'm interested to see how the coaching staff fills out for Price. I'm assuming Mack Jenkins will become the pitching coach now that Price is manager, but I'm wondering if they are going to get rid of Jacoby (I hope so) and Chris Speier.

[CaseIH]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

The plan all along was to move Chapman into the rotation. Marshall was brought in to be the setup man/LOOGY.

Last year they extended Broxton to be the closer, but in ST Chapman didn't want to start, so the Reds ended up paying Broxton a lot of money to be a setup man.



I'm interested to see how the coaching staff fills out for Price. I'm assuming Mack Jenkins will become the pitching coach now that Price is manager, but I'm wondering if they are going to get rid of Jacoby (I hope so) and Chris Speier.

I sure the heck hope Jacoby is gone, he should have been fired after the 2011 season. I would say we will here about Jacoby being fired after the WS is over, consideirng Walt was going to fire him and Dusty didnt like it so he got fired 1st instead, I would say Jacoby is a goner. It will be a happy day when he is fired.
I think Speier does a good job with the defense, but he may very well leave. I think Hatcher needs to go as bad as baserunning has been, although I just think we got some stupid players on our team on the bases,lol. I would probably dump Berry to, cause the poor baserunning is just pathetic, and none of them on th eteam are worth a darn at it. I highly doubt Berry is fired, but if it were me, I would clean house if I was involved in it

[jasontoddwhitt]

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I think what Owl is failing to notice is that Bryan Price is not one of Dusty's guys. Dusty did not hire Bryan Price. Dick Pole was Dusty's guy (was his pitching coach in San Francisco and Cincinnati, his bench coach in Chicago). Jocketty fired Pole and hired Price.

And I think that's what we'll see...a relationship between the manager and front office that will be much healthier than it was between Walt and Dusty. I think Price will try to convert Chapman to a starter (he has been all for it the past two years). They was all set to do it last season till Dusty ran to the media saying Chapman needed to be a closer and then Chapman was like "Yeah, I want to be a closer now."

[HustlinOwl]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

I know Price is not Dusty's guy thanks, but does make him more qualified/experienced???

[jasontoddwhitt]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Then who should be the manager, and you can't say Dusty Baker because he was going to be gone no matter what.

The Reds never took the next step under his tutelage. And much like his rocky exits in San Francisco and Chicago, he was under fire for losing the clubhouse and, as a "player's manager", wasn't holding his players accountable.

[HustlinOwl]

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I expect to see a lot of Riggleman in the dugout as a bench coach and helping a pitching coach manage 25 players. Sorry anything less than playoffs is a failure IMO, Dusty led this team to 90 plus wins and the playoffs 3 of last 4 years. Front office shouldve signed Byrd at deadline as much as they said money wasnt an issue, sounds like another lie to me what about you BP??? Still not convinced this team needs a lot of help, 3B, SS, C, LF and a RH bat

[SlimKibbles]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

I expect to see a lot of Riggleman in the dugout as a bench coach and helping a pitching coach manage 25 players. Sorry anything less than playoffs is a failure IMO, Dusty led this team to 90 plus wins and the playoffs 3 of last 4 years. Front office shouldve signed Byrd at deadline as much as they said money wasnt an issue, sounds like another lie to me what about you BP??? Still not convinced this team needs a lot of help, 3B, SS, C, LF and a RH bat

I wouldn't like seeing that at all and hope we don't. What kind of message/signal would that send to Bryan Price? I agree with you on the lack of playoffs though. Anything less than that is a failure at this point. They've come too far. And, yes, it's going to be difficult to pull off in that division. They do need some help at multiple spots. We'll see what Jocketty does during the off-season.

So you're on the trading/signing of Byrd at the deadline wagon now? Good to see you come to your senses after criticizing me about it earlier.

[HustlinOwl]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

I wouldn't like seeing that at all and hope we don't. What kind of message/signal would that send to Bryan Price? I agree with you on the lack of playoffs though. Anything less than that is a failure at this point. They've come too far. And, yes, it's going to be difficult to pull off in that division. They do need some help at multiple spots. We'll see what Jocketty does during the off-season.

So you're on the trading/signing of Byrd at the deadline wagon now? Good to see you come to your senses after criticizing me about it earlier.

never criticized simply stated they thought (management/Baker??) Ludwick would be ready and sat on their hands as usual. Lucky to finish 3rd next year, can see Brewers finishing with a better record with Braun and Hart back in lineup Go Reds 2024

[redsrule]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

I don't necessarily think we should have went and got Byrd, but at the very least they should have blocked Pittsburgh's claim for him. That is on Jocketty.

[jake44np]

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A couple things here.
One i know some of the things HustlinOwl is saying you guys are jumping all over.
I think i am getting what he is saying and that is that this team has failed because of the front office and not Dusty, which i totally agree with. He is being kind of standoffish (lol) but i beleive that is what he is saying. I think 93.5 wins on average the last two years was remarkable considering he was throwing out 4 really inconsistant hitters every single game.
Two Champan will be a starter next year. Price and Walt wanted it to happen last year and Dusty did not, Dusty took Chapmans side and put Walt in a weird spot. Walt caved and Chapman was the closer, that will not happen this year.
Three Brian Price is not a Dusty guy and will not manage the game anything like Dusty. Price is a Sabermetric guy and Dusty was a "hunch" guy. Price will manage the game totally different than Dusty did. With that being said i am calling it now! As soon as they have their first 3 game losing streak or something back fires that Price does during a game 90% of the Reds fans (whcih most know nothing about baseball) will come out and say "Why do we have this guy managing the Reds?". "He was with Dusty too long and manages just like him!" Mark my words it will happen! Somehow Dusty will still get blamed with Price does something wrong.
At this point I just dont know how to feel about the Price hiring. The dude has only ever been a pitching coach. Go back and look, most of the really good pitching coaches didnt make good managers once they got their chance.

[HustlinOwl]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

A couple things here.
One i know some of the things HustlinOwl is saying you guys are jumping all over.
I think i am getting what he is saying and that is that this team has failed because of the front office and not Dusty, which i totally agree with. He is being kind of standoffish (lol) but i beleive that is what he is saying. I think 93.5 wins on average the last two years was remarkable considering he was throwing out 4 really inconsistant hitters every single game.
Two Champan will be a starter next year. Price and Walt wanted it to happen last year and Dusty did not, Dusty took Chapmans side and put Walt in a weird spot. Walt caved and Chapman was the closer, that will not happen this year.
Three Brian Price is not a Dusty guy and will not manage the game anything like Dusty. Price is a Sabermetric guy and Dusty was a "hunch" guy. Price will manage the game totally different than Dusty did. With that being said i am calling it now! As soon as they have their first 3 game losing streak or something back fires that Price does during a game 90% of the Reds fans (whcih most know nothing about baseball) will come out and say "Why do we have this guy managing the Reds?". "He was with Dusty too long and manages just like him!" Mark my words it will happen! Somehow Dusty will still get blamed with Price does something wrong.
At this point I just dont know how to feel about the Price hiring. The dude has only ever been a pitching coach. Go back and look, most of the really good pitching coaches didnt make good managers once they got their chance.

Dusty said it best, "Should be judged over the past six years and not the last six games." Again see him as the scapegoat where there was a lot of blame to go around beginning with the Front Office. Next stop Winter Caravan lmao so corny

[PhantomPain]

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I also agree that it wasn't all Dusty's fault. I put quite a bit of blame on Jocketty after not improving the team one iota in 3 consecutive trade seasons. With that said, IMO, I do not think Dusty was going to get us over the hump. Yes 93.5 wins is impressive, no doubt. But there was a year we didn't make the playoffs and the win total this year was down 7 from the previous year. Plus, they lost 6 straight to back into the playoffs (I say playoffs but it doesn't really sit well with me that a 1 game playoff is considered the playoffs but I digress) and seemed to stop playing for Dusty.

Jocketty has made some really good moves but he has also made a couple of bad moves (overpaying for a couple of players) or no moves at all when we needed them the most.

The bottom line is that Dusty has been in the game a long time. He has had a lot of regular season success and some disappointments along the way as well. He hasn't had much post season success though and while he isn't the one bringing the players in, he is the one managing them and if you can give Dusty credit for getting them to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years, then he has to take the blame for not doing anything once in the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.

As for Price, I am taking a wait and see approach. I agree with Jake that people will blame Dusty for Price's faults which is stupid but reality. I am interested to see if Price can be a successful manager and chalk one up to the pitchers-turned-managers being successful. I am interested to see if the Reds trade Chapman or make him a starter. Interested to see if BP is still on the team next year as well as Bailey.

Luckily for me (although Jake would disagree that it is lucky ) I have an obsession with UK basketball and the season is upon us. If I didn't, it would be a long off season for me as there are so many questions and I doubt they are all answered until Spring Training or the beginning of the season.

[jake44np]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

I also agree that it wasn't all Dusty's fault. I put quite a bit of blame on Jocketty after not improving the team one iota in 3 consecutive trade seasons. With that said, IMO, I do not think Dusty was going to get us over the hump. Yes 93.5 wins is impressive, no doubt. But there was a year we didn't make the playoffs and the win total this year was down 7 from the previous year. Plus, they lost 6 straight to back into the playoffs (I say playoffs but it doesn't really sit well with me that a 1 game playoff is considered the playoffs but I digress) and seemed to stop playing for Dusty.

Jocketty has made some really good moves but he has also made a couple of bad moves (overpaying for a couple of players) or no moves at all when we needed them the most.

The bottom line is that Dusty has been in the game a long time. He has had a lot of regular season success and some disappointments along the way as well. He hasn't had much post season success though and while he isn't the one bringing the players in, he is the one managing them and if you can give Dusty credit for getting them to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years, then he has to take the blame for not doing anything once in the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.

As for Price, I am taking a wait and see approach. I agree with Jake that people will blame Dusty for Price's faults which is stupid but reality. I am interested to see if Price can be a successful manager and chalk one up to the pitchers-turned-managers being successful. I am interested to see if the Reds trade Chapman or make him a starter. Interested to see if BP is still on the team next year as well as Bailey.

Luckily for me (although Jake would disagree that it is lucky ) I have an obsession with UK basketball and the season is upon us. If I didn't, it would be a long off season for me as there are so many questions and I doubt they are all answered until Spring Training or the beginning of the season.

Great post!
Lucky for me I have ND football for now.

[ChubbyBanana]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

Everybody take a deep breath...

Now let's discuss as adults. You guys were doing a pretty good job until the name calling and age accusations.