2015 Atlanta Braves

[decga]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

According to John Hart," he is still making the final decision on everything". Coppy just has the title and hopefully the money. Coppy is the front man for the team. Mr. Hart also said 'they're thrilled with having Aybar as 2 time Gold Glove winner, batting at the top of the order". He will probably be stranded at 1st or 2nd over 100 times... SMH

[SPTO]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

Sorry to barge in on the Braves thread but I was listening to the Baseball Prospectus podcast from yesterday and they talked a bit about this "rebuild" the Braves are going through. There's a suggestion that this is a budget driven direction by the corporate suits at Liberty Media. This seems like the M.O. for most big media ownership with faceless suits running the show. I've personally seen it FOR SURE when Interbrew owned the Jays in the late '90s and the perception is that Rogers doesn't give two craps about the franchise either though that perception might be changing.

Bottom line is, there is definitely the viable idea that the power is out of Hart and the GM's hands when it comes to the direction of the team especially seeing just how egregious some of these moves have been trading away young guys with lots of team control/below market value contracts.

[KSUowls]

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Whether it's Coppy, Hart, or ownership calling the shots, I have to say I'm not too thrilled with the new GM. Not a fan of the most recent move but forget that for a second.

His recent comments can only be seen as insulting the intelligence of every Braves fan. He is trying to tell us that the Simmons trade was made to be more competitive in 2016...no it wasn't, it was made with the intention of being good later own the road. Don't sell us Aybar making the Braves somehow competitive next season.

Then there are his defensive comments about how he is "so tired of" the pitchforks coming out. Well, the fans are getting tired of seeing a bad product on the field, and tired of seeing all of these young talented guys traded without any position players in return. I support the rebuild, but own up to the fact that fans have a right to be upset. If you truly believe that these are the best moves for the franchise then 'you' mr. coppolella let things play out instead of getting defensive. I realize you can't come out and say that we are tanking, but don't pretend that it's something that it is not.

[DonkeyJote]

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Yeah, he got way too defensive. Fans are coming across spoiled though. Last year was just the 3rd time in 25 years the team was under .500. We're literally 1 year into a rebuild, and people are insanely impatient already.

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[TheMatrix31]

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This is the first two years of undoubtedly many years to come of the Unmitigated Catastrophe Era. And that's not even including the Conrading of 2010, the catastrophic collapse of 2011, the systemic failure and clown show of 2012, and the pathetic joke of 2013.

It's not just one year. It's just not. In reality, it's more 10 years straight of absurdity. If you include the early 2000s yearly NLDS failures, it's actually like 15 years straight.

If the goal is to remain "really" "actually" great "for a long time" then who gives a **** if this was only the 3rd time in 25 years the team was under .500? Everybody says it themselves that they don't want the team to merely be decent or good or "in the middle" so why should the barometer of .500 matter?

It goes way deeper than record. People are sick of this ****ing ****. And now fans are being told by super sensitive pussbag GMs to sit back and wait many more years, but worse than that, that it's okay to trade away cheap, great players you already *do* have because prospects offer more promise and that they'll all pan out and the roster will fill out at some point, and that they're *not* trying to construct a roster that's a joke and that they're actually trying to win? Then they get all indignant when they're called out on all of it?

That's ****ing insulting.

It's not just record. It's everything. It's the franchise's recent history. It's how they've conducted themselves. It's the front office drama. It's the prospect fetishization. It's getting rid of anybody with even the slightest pulse to indulge in the trend of the day. It's the attitude and the thought process. It's the lying and the obvious salesmanship.

It's despicable. This team is despicable.

[KSUowls]

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In other news we traded Cameron Maybin. I think we got a 6 pack of beer in return?

[DonkeyJote]

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In other news we traded Cameron Maybin. I think we got a 6 pack of beer in return?

Haha. One guy is a major leaguer, albeit, not a good one at this point. The other guy looks like a really good reliever so far. Not a great trade, but honestly Maybin isn't a great trade piece. Missed the opportunity to get something good for him.

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[p_rushing]

Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

Sorry to barge in on the Braves thread but I was listening to the Baseball Prospectus podcast from yesterday and they talked a bit about this "rebuild" the Braves are going through. There's a suggestion that this is a budget driven direction by the corporate suits at Liberty Media. This seems like the M.O. for most big media ownership with faceless suits running the show. I've personally seen it FOR SURE when Interbrew owned the Jays in the late '90s and the perception is that Rogers doesn't give two craps about the franchise either though that perception might be changing.

Bottom line is, there is definitely the viable idea that the power is out of Hart and the GM's hands when it comes to the direction of the team especially seeing just how egregious some of these moves have been trading away young guys with lots of team control/below market value contracts.

They have to spend X amount of money, LM can't cut below a certain point, its something to do with them being able to own the team. What they don't do is increase that number and the Braves have go back to them to change any way money is spent. Supposedly it goes to even how much money they spend on popcorn, etc.


Great rumors about a sale, just rumors right now though

http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/26970307/article-Change-in-the-lineup--Brave-new-world-may-be-in-store-for-team-s-ownership?instance=home_top_bullets

[Speedy]

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I see Donkey has changed his avatar.

[DonkeyJote]

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I see Donkey has changed his avatar.

Haha, yeah, finally wasn't on my phone one day.

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[KSUowls]

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Great rumors about a sale, just rumors right now though
http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story...me_top_bullets

Please please please let this be more than rumor!

[DonkeyJote]

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Signed Gordon Beckham (who is from Atlanta) to a 1 yr deal worth $1.25m. Not a good hitter, but a pretty good defender, and maybe a platoon mate for Peterson.

Also still listening on Shelby, but "holding firm" on the asking price, which is quite high. Soler is what we want from the Cubs (.268/.325/.433 in the majors so far, and .340/.432/.700 in the minors in 2014). We're supposedly trying really hard to get Pollock too; offered Miller and Vizcaíno for Pollock and Aaron Blair, a top 40 prospect last year. Asked the Yankees for Severino and Marlins for Ozuna and other pieces. I'd be happy with any of those deals, with the exception of Ozuna. He doesn't get on base, doesn't have enough power to make up for it.

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[KSUowls]

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Yeah I don't want Ozuna. Maybe if he was an add-in instead of the centerpiece, but I don't like his OBP.

I hate to see Shelby go, but given all the recent trades it's something that probably should happen. Outside of Juilio, anyone with value on the major league roster should be traded. I only exclude Julio because I think we would be selling low on him as he is coming off a bad season. Maybe Freddie should be excluded from that list too given that 1B tend to age better than most positions.

I like that they are holding firm on the asking price for Shelby, but one thing I don't get is why they are going after a major league bat half way through his controllable years (Pollock). Barring a truly drastic roster change, this team isn't competing in either 2016 or 2017, so I feel like we're just throwing away 2 of the remaining 3 controllable years on a player.

Is Severino the only big piece mentioned from the Yankees? I nknow he's a stud young arm, but we don't need more arms we need stud bats. If it's Miller for Severino and some throw ins then I want no part of that.

Soler would be interesting. According to baseball reference he is signed through 2020 making 3.5-4.5M / year. So young and cheap would for a solid bat would be great.

[LowerWolf]

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I'd be OK with Soler, but where does he play? Can he play CF?

Markakis is locked in in right. Olivera is in left, though I guess he could move back to third.

We're also supposedly hot for O'Day, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me for the price he's going to command.

[DonkeyJote]

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I'd be OK with Soler, but where does he play? Can he play CF?

Markakis is locked in in right. Olivera is in left, though I guess he could move back to third.

We're also supposedly hot for O'Day, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me for the price he's going to command.

You move either Markakis or Olivera. If you can't, Olivera plays 3b. Soler is the type of player you make room for.

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