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  • jaygg1
    Pro
    • Aug 2003
    • 502

    #196
    Re: Upset Alert Thread

    I don't know about a "dark path" but I will agree I think Purdue was a little overrated coming into this season. They overachieved big time last year, and did so in a weak Big Ten. They're probably the fourth best team in the conference tops, at least in my opinion. I'd put Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Illinois ahead of them.
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    • PSU_DW2
      Banned
      • Oct 2005
      • 1081

      #197
      Re: Upset Alert Thread

      There's no question that Purdue is a better team with Hummel and Kramer. Penn St and Purdue rematch in West Lafayette February 11th. By then Kramer and Hummel should be back.

      If they are back, that rematch could go a long way in determining both Purdue and Penn St's chances of making the NCAA Tournament.

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      • ehh
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2003
        • 28962

        #198
        Re: Upset Alert Thread

        Originally posted by PSU_DW2
        Instead, could it be that their 2 losses in B10 play are just to solid teams Illinois and Penn St?
        No it couldn't be. They were a preseason Top 10 team, they should not be losing to Illinois and Penn State and getting worked by Dook on their own court. Purdue has shown nothing to prove they are more than "good" team. If you don't think they are having a disappointing season so far then you're B10 homerism in basketball is on par with football.

        Anyway, how long before Gary Williams gets canned? Since they won the title in '02 Maryland has been a disaster.
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        • PSU_DW2
          Banned
          • Oct 2005
          • 1081

          #199
          Re: Upset Alert Thread

          Originally posted by ehh
          No it couldn't be. They were a preseason Top 10 team, they should not be losing to Illinois and Penn State and getting worked by Dook on their own court.
          So, because they are a preseason Top 10 team, they should automatically beat Illinois and Penn St? Polls are friggin polls.

          The polls said UNC was #1 in the country, but ya know what? Boston College beat em on their own homecourt. And then, you know what? The polls said that Boston College was the #24 best team in the country? And you know what? They played 7-6 Harvard? And the polls were....gasp... wrong!

          Harvard beat BC. Penn St and Illinois beat Purdue. Unlike college football, in college basketball we don't decide a champion by how strong someone thinks a team is. Penn St and Illinois, by record, both in conference and overall, are currently better than Purdue.

          And you know what? It's not homerisitc of me to say that. And it's not like Penn St didn't play anyone. Penn St beat Georgia Tech on the road, and Georgia Tech just beat Georgia, who was a tournament team last season.

          Originally posted by ehh
          Purdue has shown nothing to prove they are more than "good" team. If you don't think they are having a disappointing season so far then you're B10 homerism in basketball is on par with football.
          That's your opinion. At the moment, they are having a pretty good season. They are still alive for the NCAA Tournament. A season isn't decided after two Big Ten games. There are still 16 more league games to go. After a few more conference games, you will have a much large sample size of games to see if Purdue is truly a disapointment or not. Also, Kramer and Hummel didn't play versus Penn St. So you could look at it like, wow they didn't have their two best players and still almost beat a good Penn St team on the road. But no, you choose to disrespect teams like Illinois and Penn St by default because they "aren't ranked in the prseason top 10".

          It's fine for you to be disapointed that your team lost, but to blatantly disrespect teams like Penn St and Illinois who have better records than Purdue is dishonorable.

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          • J0nnD0ugh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2003
            • 16602

            #200
            Re: Upset Alert Thread

            Originally posted by ehh
            Anyway, how long before Gary Williams gets canned? Since they won the title in '02 Maryland has been a disaster.
            I've never seen a team drop so far after winning it all w/out the aid of probation. Its the weirdest thing. GW just doesn't know how to recruit anymore. Maryland was great for getting those unacclaimed projects. Joe Smith, Juan Dixon, Chris Wilcox, Lonny Baxter, Steve Blake. He's just not finding them anymore. Thing is, he shouldn't have had to search. If you win it all, had back to back Final 4 appearances, you should be able to get in any door you want. Especially in a basketball rich area like Balt/DC.
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            • J0nnD0ugh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2003
              • 16602

              #201
              Re: Upset Alert Thread

              Originally posted by PSU_DW2
              So, because they are a preseason Top 10 team, they should automatically beat Illinois and Penn St? Polls are friggin polls.

              The polls said UNC was #1 in the country, but ya know what? Boston College beat em on their own homecourt. And then, you know what? The polls said that Boston College was the #24 best team in the country? And you know what? They played 7-6 Harvard? And the polls were....gasp... wrong!

              Harvard beat BC. Penn St and Illinois beat Purdue. Unlike college football, in college basketball we don't decide a champion by how strong someone thinks a team is. Penn St and Illinois, by record, both in conference and overall, are currently better than Purdue.

              And you know what? It's not homerisitc of me to say that. And it's not like Penn St didn't play anyone. Penn St beat Georgia Tech on the road, and Georgia Tech just beat Georgia, who was a tournament team last season.



              That's your opinion. At the moment, they are having a pretty good season. They are still alive for the NCAA Tournament. A season isn't decided after two Big Ten games. There are still 16 more league games to go. After a few more conference games, you will have a much large sample size of games to see if Purdue is truly a disapointment or not. Also, Kramer and Hummel didn't play versus Penn St. So you could look at it like, wow they didn't have their two best players and still almost beat a good Penn St team on the road. But no, you choose to disrespect teams like Illinois and Penn St by default because they "aren't ranked in the prseason top 10".

              It's fine for you to be disapointed that your team lost, but to blatantly disrespect teams like Penn St and Illinois who have better records than Purdue is dishonorable.
              You are amazing. You are arguing against saying Purdue is overrated by saying they are overrated.
              Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
              I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
              -August 17, 1960
              Thanks, dookies!

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              • ehh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2003
                • 28962

                #202
                Re: Upset Alert Thread

                Originally posted by PSU_DW2
                So, because they are a preseason Top 10 team, they should automatically beat Illinois and Penn St?
                I never said they should automatically beat anyone, but since they are losing to those teams then they are not as good as people expected. Upsets happen all the time, when they are isolated it's no big deal but when you've got a resume like Purdue does at the moment there is cause for concern.

                That's your opinion. At the moment, they are having a pretty good season. They are still alive for the NCAA Tournament. A season isn't decided after two Big Ten games. There are still 16 more league games to go. After a few more conference games, you will have a much large sample size of games to see if Purdue is truly a disapointment or not. Also, Kramer and Hummel didn't play versus Penn St. So you could look at it like, wow they didn't have their two best players and still almost beat a good Penn St team on the road. But no, you choose to disrespect teams like Illinois and Penn St by default because they "aren't ranked in the prseason top 10".

                It's fine for you to be disapointed that your team lost, but to blatantly disrespect teams like Penn St and Illinois who have better records than Purdue is dishonorable.
                No **** it's my opinion and it's easily the majority. If you ask Matt Painter if he'd be happy with "still being alive" for the NCAA tournament on January 8th I'm sure he would not be happy.

                Records at this point are useless in college basketball because of cupcake preseason stuff. Who cares if Illinois and PSU have better records? Illinois best win outside of Purdue is.....Vanderbilt I guess? Penn State's, I guess Georgia Tech. They are 56th and 99th in the Pomeroy Ratings.

                The Pomeroy Ratings have Purdue as the #19 team, Illinois at #21 and Penn State at #66.

                And you're homerism is strong with the Big 10, not just Penn State.
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                • ehh
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 28962

                  #203
                  Re: Upset Alert Thread

                  Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                  You are amazing. You are arguing against saying Purdue is overrated by saying they are overrated.
                  LOL, that or he thinks Illinois and Penn State are Final Four contenders.
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                  • J0nnD0ugh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 16602

                    #204
                    Re: Upset Alert Thread

                    Originally posted by ehh
                    LOL, that or he thinks Illinois and Penn State are Final Four contenders.
                    His posts are the closest things to car accidents on OS. You're horrified, yet glued @ the same time. I give him credit for being illogical in a more efficient manner than he was to start the football season. But saying anything that could indirectly be construed as an insult to Penn St. is like getting to close to a hornet's nest. He lets loose such a huge horde of stinging unreasonableness that you just succumb to the swarm. First thing I said when I saw him posting here was "Oh no! He's a basketball fan!"
                    Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                    I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                    -August 17, 1960
                    Thanks, dookies!

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                    • Chip Douglass
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 12256

                      #205
                      Re: Upset Alert Thread

                      Is he really in the CBB forums now?

                      I write things on the Internet.

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                      • PSU_DW2
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 1081

                        #206
                        Re: Upset Alert Thread

                        Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                        His posts are the closest things to car accidents on OS. You're horrified, yet glued @ the same time. I give him credit for being illogical in a more efficient manner than he was to start the football season. But saying anything that could indirectly be construed as an insult to Penn St. is like getting to close to a hornet's nest. He lets loose such a huge horde of stinging unreasonableness that you just succumb to the swarm. First thing I said when I saw him posting here was "Oh no! He's a basketball fan!"
                        So it's more logical to base your expectations on preseason top 10 polls than to actually look at teams for what they are and their results? Why do you seem to believe what I am posting is illogical?

                        So i suppose you think Penn St having a legitimate chance at the NCAA Tournament is illogical, even now with their current record? Teams like Purdue, though, despite being 0-2 in the Big Ten, are still alive in your world because they were "ranked in the preseason top 10"? That sounds more illogical to me.

                        Penn St hasn't had a bad loss. Losing to Rhode Island, Temple, and Wisconsin, all close, are not bad losses. Rhode Island almost beat Duke, Temple beat Tennessee, and Wisconsin is probably the toughest place to play in the Big Ten.

                        So, again, I ask, why is what I say "deemed" illogical just because my team isn't the media darling?

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                        • PSU_DW2
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1081

                          #207
                          Re: Upset Alert Thread

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          LOL, that or he thinks Illinois and Penn State are Final Four contenders.
                          I am not the type of guy that is just gunna go out on a limb and say Illinois and Penn St are Final Four contenders just yet. There is still a lot of basketball yet to be played.

                          Are both teams contending for the NCAA Tournament? Absolutely. The bubble is taking shape.

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                          • ehh
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 28962

                            #208
                            Re: Upset Alert Thread

                            Originally posted by PSU_DW2
                            Are both teams contending for the NCAA Tournament? Absolutely. The bubble is taking shape.
                            Half of the 320+ teams in the country are contenders for the tournament right now, conference play has barely started. Good logic.
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                            "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                            • ehh
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 28962

                              #209
                              Re: Upset Alert Thread

                              Originally posted by PSU_DW2
                              So i suppose you think Penn St having a legitimate chance at the NCAA Tournament is illogical, even now with their current record? Teams like Purdue, though, despite being 0-2 in the Big Ten, are still alive in your world because they were "ranked in the preseason top 10"? That sounds more illogical to me.
                              Wrong, it's because Purdue has much more talent and proved they can do it as evidenced last season, not because of a preseason ranking.
                              "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                              "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                              • PSU_DW2
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 1081

                                #210
                                Re: Upset Alert Thread

                                Originally posted by ehh
                                Wrong, it's because Purdue has much more talent and proved they can do it as evidenced last season, not because of a preseason ranking.
                                Last season is last season. This season is this season. What have you done for me lately? I'm not bashing Purdue. I think they were a great team last year and deserve the preseason ranking.

                                Anyone can say a team has more talent. But, at some point, you gotta produce and win a big game. When it comes to the tournament, if that team doesn't produce and win games throughout the current season, they will not make the tournament. I agree with you that as a Purdue fan with such a lofty ranking, you don't expect to lose to teams like Illinois and Penn St.

                                But I think it's safe to say that Penn St and Illinois are both above where the polls picked them to be, which was nowhere. Penn St's only 2 wins away from last season's total.

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