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  • J0nnD0ugh
    Hall Of Fame
    • Feb 2003
    • 16602

    #1

    Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft



    Now they have until May 8th instead of June to come out of the draft. Starting next year.

    Also, schools are now cleared schools to "provide fruit, nuts and bagels to student-athletes at any time."

    Does the NCAA realise how much of a joke they truly are?
    Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
    I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
    -August 17, 1960
    Thanks, dookies!
  • Hooe
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2002
    • 21555

    #2
    Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

    LOL at the second rule change. I'm gonna go send Tristan Spurlock (our top 2009 recruit who's been wavering in light of Coach Leitao's resignation) a fruit basket.

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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52812

      #3
      Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

      I like the change...especially that once a player enters his name into the draft that he can't return to school.

      Why does the kid need 3 months to decide if he's going to enter his name or not? And then this not hiring an agent non-sense, good to see it go. Schools are put into binds as they try to decide whether or not they need to replace a player or not. You're either in or your out.

      I applaud the rule changes.
      Last edited by countryboy; 04-22-2009, 09:15 AM.
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      • Hooe
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2002
        • 21555

        #4
        Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

        Originally posted by countryboy
        I like the change...especially that once a player enters his name into the draft that he can't return to school.

        Why does the kid need 3 months to decide if he's going to enter his name or not? And then this not hiring an agent non-sense, good to see it go. Schools are put into binds as they try to decide whether or not they need to replace a player or not. You're either in or your out.

        I applaud the rule changes.
        On the flip side, what about the kids who declare, go to the draft camps to have their stock evaluated, and then come back? It would seem like this rule change prevents that; at the very least, it certainly inhibits it.

        I realize that the rule change is better for the schools, but it obviously doesn't appear to work out for the athletes, in more ways than one. Not that they should be able to take a school hostage, but their well-being and future should be the primary concern of the NCAA, IMO.

        Just a thought.

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        • J0nnD0ugh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Feb 2003
          • 16602

          #5
          Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

          I'm against them. This is another case of the multi-billion dollar, no-profit NCAA protecting its own interests instead of giving the student the best opportunity to make the best decision. The reason they were lobbying for the NBA to get rid of the one-n-done was to keep kids from making a hasty decision. Now they wil be forced to make another rushed one.
          Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
          I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
          -August 17, 1960
          Thanks, dookies!

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52812

            #6
            Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

            Originally posted by Krioniq
            On the flip side, what about the kids who declare, go to the draft camps to have their stock evaluated, and then come back? It would seem like this rule change prevents that; at the very least, it certainly inhibits it.

            I realize that the rule change is better for the schools, but it obviously doesn't appear to work out for the athletes, in more ways than one. Not that they should be able to take a school hostage, but their well-being and future should be the primary concern of the NCAA, IMO.

            Just a thought.
            Trust me, I understand what you're saying, but why can't these kids work out without declaring? Is there I rule? I honestly don't know if there is one or not.

            But in my opinion, something had to be done. It was becoming a 3 ring circus. Look at the Randolph Morris situation. As I said, schools were put between a rock and a hard place as their future depends on who a kid is listening to.

            I honestly wish they would just make it so that a player has to have completed his Sophomore year in college before he could declare. Something has to be done to protect the collegiate game. Its work well for college football(although its junior status for them or 3 years removed from HS), so why can't they do that basketball?
            I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

            I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


            Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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            • countryboy
              Growing pains
              • Sep 2003
              • 52812

              #7
              Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

              Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
              I'm against them. This is another case of the multi-billion dollar, no-profit NCAA protecting its own interests instead of giving the student the best opportunity to make the best decision. The reason they were lobbying for the NBA to get rid of the one-n-done was to keep kids from making a hasty decision. Now they wil be forced to make another rushed one.
              you're never going to end the hasty decison of a kid. Never. Even if they adopt the college football draft eligibilty rule, you're never going to stop a kid from making a "hasty/uninformed" decision because there are far too many people in their ears.

              There, in my opinon, lies the problem. All these "experts" feeding these kids all this BS information.
              I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

              I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


              Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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              • J0nnD0ugh
                Hall Of Fame
                • Feb 2003
                • 16602

                #8
                Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

                Originally posted by countryboy
                you're never going to end the hasty decison of a kid. Never. Even if they adopt the college football draft eligibilty rule, you're never going to stop a kid from making a "hasty/uninformed" decision because there are far too many people in their ears.

                There, in my opinon, lies the problem. All these "experts" feeding these kids all this BS information.
                And there are some players who do wait to get informed info. Now that option has been taken away. Now they do have to depend more on pundits & hanger's on instead of scouts. They have no choice. Its now a guess not a plan.

                Instead of taking an option away from the players, why not extend the late signing period?
                Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                -August 17, 1960
                Thanks, dookies!

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                • countryboy
                  Growing pains
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 52812

                  #9
                  Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

                  Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                  And there are some players who do wait to get informed info. Now that option has been taken away. Now they do have to depend more on pundits & hanger's on instead of scouts. They have no choice. Its now a guess not a plan.

                  Instead of taking an option away from the players, why not extend the late signing period?
                  I understand that, but 3 months? do they really need that long after the season(providing they play in the Final Four) to get all the info they need to make an informed decision?

                  And so you extend the late signing period, that may help, but still, if a kid decides in June that he's not returning, then you have from June until what, August? to find a replacement player, in order to get him onto campus in time to enroll in classes?

                  Its a bad situation all the way around the way the whole process is/was setup. I still think they should adopt the rule where a player must be 2 years removed from High School before he opts to declare. But that will most likely never happen.
                  I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                  I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


                  Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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                  • J0nnD0ugh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 16602

                    #10
                    Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

                    Originally posted by countryboy
                    I understand that, but 3 months? do they really need that long after the season(providing they play in the Final Four) to get all the info they need to make an informed decision?

                    And so you extend the late signing period, that may help, but still, if a kid decides in June that he's not returning, then you have from June until what, August? to find a replacement player, in order to get him onto campus in time to enroll in classes?

                    Its a bad situation all the way around the way the whole process is/was setup. I still think they should adopt the rule where a player must be 2 years removed from High School before he opts to declare. But that will most likely never happen.
                    The teams have 15 players already. Out of 10 reserves they can't find one replacement player? Cry me a river. I'm not concerened w/the coaches having to scramble when they can pick up & leave @ a whim & leave their players having to scramble.

                    And yes, it takes 3 months. How much do they change mock drafts in 3 months time? NBA also wants to make an informed decision. They bring in players over those months & work them out & compare. All while half the teams are still in the playoffs. That takes time. W/all the variables that included early entries, European players, good & bad workouts, do we really think these kids can ascertain their status in 45 days? When they are in college, they don't have staff & connections to figure these things out.

                    Now all of that is taken away.

                    I can see why Roy Williams pushed for this. Its given him a tremendous advantage. 99% of the other schools don't have the experience in early entries like UNC has. W/their history kids will know he has better access to info. For nearly everyone else this going to be a problem in the long run. They are going to lose players more quickly & those players aren't going to have the option to get back.

                    Push the start of the late signing period back.
                    Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                    I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                    -August 17, 1960
                    Thanks, dookies!

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                    • mvb34
                      S**c*d* P**l C*-Ch*mp**n
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 8138

                      #11
                      Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

                      How long does a college football player have to declare for the NFL draft?
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                      • J0nnD0ugh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 16602

                        #12
                        Re: Changes in the period for players to come out of the draft

                        Originally posted by mvb34
                        How long does a college football player have to declare for the NFL draft?
                        I think its a week after the season & no going back under any circumstances.
                        Originally posted by VP Richard M. Nixon
                        I always remember that whatever I have done in the past, or may do in the future, Duke University is responsible one way or the other.
                        -August 17, 1960
                        Thanks, dookies!

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