2013 Recruiting Thread

[redsrule]

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No the fact he said that education didnt matter typical UK fan all that matters is a championship in NCAABB cause your football program sucks and you can only live this down so much longer before Cal gets busted for probably paying for players or some **** cause the NCAA rules are dumb

..................................... The fact that Cal has NEVER been been in trouble before (Camby took money and someone took Rose's ACT for him, how was he supposed to know?). Also I find that funny saying UK's football program sucks, which it does, while Kansas' is just as bad if not worse.
Also I said education doesn't matter for the BEST recruit in the country, because it doesn't. He is a done and done player, he could go to Harvard and education still wouldn't matter. I'm not saying that for every recruit, but the top recruits certainly aren't picking where they go to school based on what kind of education they get.

[wildcatchild]

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Ok ill admit one, this is about Andrew Wiggins and two, i am a Kansas Jayhawk fan. I am sorry to all of you Kentucky fans but Andrew Wiggins going to Kentucky is obnoxious and unnecessary. Calipari is ruining NCAA Basketball do you think its fun to watch your team replenish after one season when everyone leaves? The perk of being a Jayhawks fan is the fact that you watch them grow you become a fan of them since most if not all stay till they graduate. Guys like Thomas Robinson, Cole Aldrich, Mario Chalmers, Jeff Withey to name a few all stayed for at least 3 years.So its like a family but with Kentucky its a rental or a 'loophole' to getting into the NBA as fast as possible i just cant understand why you would go there. Andrew Wiggins is choosing between Kentucky, Kansas, UNC and FSU. In my opinion i would love to watch him come to Lawrence but I think its best to go to FSU write his own story like Steph Curry did at Davidson, CJ McCollum at Lehigh, Kenneth Faried at Morehead State and Damian Lillard. I dont see Wiggins going to Kentucky because all that can do is lower is draft stock, cause a chemistry issue, not get the education he would have at FSU or UNC or KU and finally not be with his best friend and go to the same school as his family. Andrew Wiggins is bound for FSU. Do i want him at Kansas? YES, of course hes the canadian jordan! But i am telling you he is most likely going to FSU makes the most sense as far as being 'the' guy, getting a good education and being connected to your best friend and family.

As an outsider/fan of a team who keeps getting beat out for recruits by Calipari, I can understand why you are frustrated. I was continually baffled back in the mid-2000's when Roy Williams was beating us out for guys like Psycho-T, Brandan Wright, Deon Thompson, heck, I could go on and on. I posted this in another thread but I believe it's a simple equation that explains why UK is the "it" school right now:

#1 Winningest basketball program of all time + recent success + "cool" factor (think of celebrities like Drake, LeBron James, Magic Johnson, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay-Z, etc. who routinely show up for home games. Heck, even the Oklahoma City Thunder hung out at our practice facility during the lockout) + players first coach who plays up-tempo style + top facilities + NBA Draft domination (our sixth man has been drafted each of the last three drafts) + most passionate fanbase = recruiting juggernaut.

I am not a fan of the one-and-done rule and neither is Calipari. And let's face it, none of these top recruits care about education. It's all about the fastest track to the NBA, and over the last four years, UK has proven it's the fastest way to get there.

[wildcatchild]

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..................................... The fact that Cal has NEVER been been in trouble before (Camby took money and someone took Rose's ACT for him, how was he supposed to know?). Also I find that funny saying UK's football program sucks, which it does, while Kansas' is just as bad if not worse.
Also I said education doesn't matter for the BEST recruit in the country, because it doesn't. He is a done and done player, he could go to Harvard and education still wouldn't matter. I'm not saying that for every recruit, but the top recruits certainly aren't picking where they go to school based on what kind of education they get.

The "Cal cheats" argument is so lazy, misinformed, and quite frankly, pure insanity. At Duke, guys like Corey Maggette take money from a CRACK DEALER while they are still playing yet still get to keep their national runner-up finish. At UMass, guys like Marcus Camby take money from a sports agent yet have to forfeit games and Final Four berths.

At Duke, a senior Lance Thomas walks into a jewelry store and buys $30,000 worth of bling. The NCAA tries to question him after he turns pro but he refuses to speak. The NCAA says "He won't talk so we are ending the investigation." Duke keeps its 2010 National Championship. At Memphis, Derrick Rose is accused of getting someone to take his ACT for him. The NCAA tries to question him after he turns pro, Rose refuses. The verdict? The NCAA assumes guilt because Rose refuses to talk. Bye bye national runner-up finish Memphis!

Four cases, eerily similar circumstances, two coaches. One coach gets the benefit of the doubt, the other coach has victories stripped from his record. Coach K is a saint, Coach Cal is Satan. I will never understand it.

[Sportsforever]

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The "Cal cheats" argument is so lazy, misinformed, and quite frankly, pure insanity. At Duke, guys like Corey Maggette take money from a CRACK DEALER while they are still playing yet still get to keep their national runner-up finish. At UMass, guys like Marcus Camby take money from a sports agent yet have to forfeit games and Final Four berths.

At Duke, a senior Lance Thomas walks into a jewelry store and buys $30,000 worth of bling. The NCAA tries to question him after he turns pro but he refuses to speak. The NCAA says "He won't talk so we are ending the investigation." Duke keeps its 2010 National Championship. At Memphis, Derrick Rose is accused of getting someone to take his ACT for him. The NCAA tries to question him after he turns pro, Rose refuses. The verdict? The NCAA assumes guilt because Rose refuses to talk. Bye bye national runner-up finish Memphis!

Four cases, eerily similar circumstances, two coaches. One coach gets the benefit of the doubt, the other coach has victories stripped from his record. Coach K is a saint, Coach Cal is Satan. I will never understand it.

I don't know much about the Duke stuff, but your over simplification of the Derek Rose situation is erroneous and best. Let's stop trying to paint Cal as a saint...he's not.

[wildcatchild]

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I don't know much about the Duke stuff, but your over simplification of the Derek Rose situation is erroneous and best. Let's stop trying to paint Cal as a saint...he's not.

Read the article below. And then please try to explain to me why strict liability was applied in the Rose case but not the Thomas case.

NCAA penalizes Memphis in Derrick Rose test case
August 21, 2009|By Shannon Ryan, Tribune reporter and Tribune reporter K.C. Johnson contributed to this report.

Derrick Rose's college team at Memphis must vacate its record 38-victory season that ended with a fantastic run to the Final Four because of the Bulls point guard's evident role while competing as an academically ineligible player.

Although the NCAA Committee on Infractions' report Thursday did not name a player, Rose was the only Memphis player to match the description.

The player in the report was accused of having another person take his SAT so he would be eligible to play at Memphis. He had failed the ACT on three occasions in Rose's hometown of Chicago, but the SAT was taken in Detroit, the report said.

The Educational Testing Service's cancellation of the player's test score fit into the NCAA's "strict liability" category, and the infractions committee did not need to investigate further because it meant the player was ineligible before the season.

The NCAA attempted to contact the player twice to attain proof he took the exam, according to the report, but he didn't respond.

Rose said two weeks ago the allegations were false.

"I know I took the test," he said.

In a statement issued through his attorney Thursday, Rose said: "It is satisfying to see that the NCAA could find no wrongdoing on my part in their ruling. It is important for people to understand that I complied of everything that was asked of me while at the university, including my full cooperation in the university's investigation of this issue, and was ultimately cleared to play in the entire 2007-08 season by the NCAA Clearinghouse and the university. I look forward to putting this behind me."

Memphis also must return money it received from the NCAA tournament to Conference USA, return its Final Four trophy to the NCAA and omit all records from the 2007-08 season. The Tigers lost to Kansas in the title game.

Memphis athletic director R.C. Johnson said the school plans to appeal the penalty.

"I'm extremely disappointed," Johnson said at a news conference in Memphis. "The NCAA findings are extreme given that we did our due diligence on the eligibility side, and the travel issues were more administrative in nature.

"There were no deliberate violations. We have reviewed our policies pertaining to travel and put new procedures in place to make sure these errors do not re-occur."

Memphis also was punished for failure to monitor itself because a player's relative -- thought to be Rose's brother Reggie -- received free accommodations and travel on several occasions.

No sanctions are expected against former Memphis coach John Calipari, who is in his first season at Kentucky. The Memphis athletic department will serve a three-year probation.

[Sportsforever]

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Read the article below. And then please try to explain to me why strict liability was applied in the Rose case but not the Thomas case.

NCAA penalizes Memphis in Derrick Rose test case
August 21, 2009|By Shannon Ryan, Tribune reporter and Tribune reporter K.C. Johnson contributed to this report.

Derrick Rose's college team at Memphis must vacate its record 38-victory season that ended with a fantastic run to the Final Four because of the Bulls point guard's evident role while competing as an academically ineligible player.

Although the NCAA Committee on Infractions' report Thursday did not name a player, Rose was the only Memphis player to match the description.

The player in the report was accused of having another person take his SAT so he would be eligible to play at Memphis. He had failed the ACT on three occasions in Rose's hometown of Chicago, but the SAT was taken in Detroit, the report said.

The Educational Testing Service's cancellation of the player's test score fit into the NCAA's "strict liability" category, and the infractions committee did not need to investigate further because it meant the player was ineligible before the season.

The NCAA attempted to contact the player twice to attain proof he took the exam, according to the report, but he didn't respond.

Rose said two weeks ago the allegations were false.

"I know I took the test," he said.

In a statement issued through his attorney Thursday, Rose said: "It is satisfying to see that the NCAA could find no wrongdoing on my part in their ruling. It is important for people to understand that I complied of everything that was asked of me while at the university, including my full cooperation in the university's investigation of this issue, and was ultimately cleared to play in the entire 2007-08 season by the NCAA Clearinghouse and the university. I look forward to putting this behind me."

Memphis also must return money it received from the NCAA tournament to Conference USA, return its Final Four trophy to the NCAA and omit all records from the 2007-08 season. The Tigers lost to Kansas in the title game.

Memphis athletic director R.C. Johnson said the school plans to appeal the penalty.

"I'm extremely disappointed," Johnson said at a news conference in Memphis. "The NCAA findings are extreme given that we did our due diligence on the eligibility side, and the travel issues were more administrative in nature.

"There were no deliberate violations. We have reviewed our policies pertaining to travel and put new procedures in place to make sure these errors do not re-occur."

Memphis also was punished for failure to monitor itself because a player's relative -- thought to be Rose's brother Reggie -- received free accommodations and travel on several occasions.

No sanctions are expected against former Memphis coach John Calipari, who is in his first season at Kentucky. The Memphis athletic department will serve a three-year probation.

The NCAA didn't just talk to Rose...they also talked to other players who were involved with "World Wide" Wes. Based on that testimony it was pretty apparent that the players who were unable to pass the SAT/ACT were brought to Detroit where someone took the test for them.

I have no idea about the Duke case...haven't looked at it or remember it, but this one was a big deal and it was obvious Rose never took the test despite what he tried to say. He could have provided evidence and he didn't. I'm not sure what you expect the NCAA to do...just take his word on it and move on?

[wildcatchild]

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The NCAA didn't just talk to Rose...they also talked to other players who were involved with "World Wide" Wes. Based on that testimony it was pretty apparent that the players who were unable to pass the SAT/ACT were brought to Detroit where someone took the test for them.

I have no idea about the Duke case...haven't looked at it or remember it, but this one was a big deal and it was obvious Rose never took the test despite what he tried to say. He could have provided evidence and he didn't. I'm not sure what you expect the NCAA to do...just take his word on it and move on?

You are correct, the Rose case was a big deal. And I'm not trying to defend Rose. It's quite possible he had someone take his test. However, the evidence against Thomas is just as, if not, more overwhelming, yet the NCAA "moved on" when, like Rose, he refused to cooperate.

Of course you don't know the story because the media, like the NCAA, picks and chooses what it wants you to know. Here's what happened: The jewelry store sued Thomas because he still owed $70,000 on a $100,000 purchase. The store basically gave him a line of credit because of "future earning potential" which constitutes an "extra benefit" in the eyes of the NCAA. It is an extra benefit because Joe Smith from the Duke chess club would not have been given the same line of credit. Point-blank violation! Duke used an ineligible player during its title run and should have to forfeit its championship. Thomas never disputed it. Even if you ignore the fact that Thomas is walking around with $30,000 in is pocket (which is shady to begin with), why is Derrick Rose presumed guilty and Lance Thomas is not? They both refused to speak. One was ruled a cheater, the other it's "nothing to see here." Same situation, different result.

[Koolie G]

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If Johnny Manziel, Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore, or Mitch McGary walked into a jewlery shop right now with $30,000, you don't think the NCAA would be all over that? They would be guilty as soon as it hit the NCAA's ears. The NCAA is the biggest joke ever. I wish all of these school would break away from the NCAA and start a new governing body that was consistent with rules enforcement. Let the conferences police each other. That would be much better than the ridiculous and blatanly unfair things the NCAA does.

[wildcatchild]

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If Johnny Manziel, Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore, or Mitch McGary walked into a jewlery shop right now with $30,000, you don't think the NCAA would be all over that? They would be guilty as soon as it hit the NCAA's ears. The NCAA is the biggest joke ever. I wish all of these school would break away from the NCAA and start a new governing body that was consistent with rules enforcement. Let the conferences police each other. That would be much better than the ridiculous and blatanly unfair things the NCAA does.

Don't forget Enes Kanter!

[Chrisksaint]

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I side with the NCAA on this one only because I could careless who walked into a jewelry store with $30k, getting someone to take your ACT is downright wrong. Granted this is probably the future teacher in me talking.

[redsrule]

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I side with the NCAA on this one only because I could careless who walked into a jewelry store with $30k, getting someone to take your ACT is downright wrong. Granted this is probably the future teacher in me talking.

I agree that someone taking your ACT is worse, but both should have been ineligible. Thomas just happened to play for Duke so they got a free pass basically (just like UNC and the academic scandal).

[Sinner]

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"Rumors" are that Wiggins will commit to UNC tomorrow...hopefully this is true. Time is winding down so we will see, think he has till the 15th of this month to announce?

[redsrule]

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"Rumors" are that Wiggins will commit to UNC tomorrow...hopefully this is true. Time is winding down so we will see, think he has till the 15th of this month to announce?

Insiders have said he was going to announce multiple times already, I'll believe it when I see it.

I believe you have till the 15th to sign a LOI, so hopefully we will find out by then.

[DakkoN]

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Huntington Prep coach said Wiggins is not announcing tomorrow.. UNC "insiders" have been wrong on dates for the last 4 weeks..

[wildcatchild]

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Huntington Prep coach said Wiggins is not announcing tomorrow.. UNC "insiders" have been wrong on dates for the last 4 weeks..

Probably the most fascinating recruitment I've ever followed. I was very confident he was coming to UK two weeks ago. Now, I'm not as confident. Nobody has a clue where he's going.