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Re: Did Duke's Lance Thomas receive improper benefits?
Every big-time program bends the rules in order to compete because every other big-time program bends the rules."Ma'am I don't make the rules up. I just think them up and write em down". - Cartman
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It's not a big news story as much as you think it should be.
I mean if you want to investigate this, then you might as well do the same for every single School in the NCAA and yes I'm serious. I would love nothing more than to see dook get caught up in the NCAA mess...but I also know that this is not a big deal and I'm not expecting anything to go down from this either.
Like bigeast said, Duhon's folks were taken care of as well and not a damn thing happened.
Its just for conversation. Kind of thought that's what this forum was for?#WeAreUKComment
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Looks like it was June 29. Try again.
Anthony Davis will have to pay through his nose if he wants to buy the famous "Fear the Brow" trademark -- at least according to its current owner, who tells TMZ, he doesn't plan to sell out for cheap.
Edit: I was wrong, the earliest I have found the picture from is May 31st. Still after the season and no longer matters. Could be from before that though, I just haven't found it. Not sure why I am even doing this other than to stop disinformation. Before you know it the internet world will be saying that A Davis received improper benefits from people seeing bigeastbumrush's post.I'm not suggesting that the #1 player in the country was receiving improper benefits. That stuff never happens.
Point is..what is the NCAA wasting their time for when this goes on all the time? And as a UK fan..please just let it go. Did Duke beat UK that year or something?Comment
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I'm not suggesting that the #1 player in the country was receiving improper benefits. That stuff never happens.
Point is..what is the NCAA wasting their time for when this goes on all the time? And as a UK fan..please just let it go. Did Duke beat UK that year or something?
Do a google search. Nearly every national outlet is talking about it and if the kid did receive improper benefits he would be ruled ineligible. That usually means a forfeit of games and if he played in the Championship game, which I believe he did but don't care enough to look it up, that should be forfeited as well.
Just because I am a UK fan doesn't mean there is an agenda. It is Duke for crying out loud. It IS news during a time when there is no news. To suggest the NCAA should just turn a blind eye because "every school/player receives improper benefits" is a ridiculous statement to make. If they want to look into every program then yeah, I'm sure they could find an insane amount of this going on all over. But because this made it out into the public, they HAVE to investigate it. If it turns out to be nothing, then it was news story during a down time and nothing more.
I actually find it down right laughable that anyone would suggest that the NCAA shouldn't look into this. Of all the things they do wrong, and they do A LOT wrong, when they actually do their job you think they shouldn't?#WeAreUKComment
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I'm not sure what your problem with me is but I would like to know. Maybe you don't know me very well, which is fine, but this is a news story and that's it. It has nothing to do with me being a UK fan.
Do a google search. Nearly every national outlet is talking about it and if the kid did receive improper benefits he would be ruled ineligible. That usually means a forfeit of games and if he played in the Championship game, which I believe he did but don't care enough to look it up, that should be forfeited as well.
Just because I am a UK fan doesn't mean there is an agenda. It is Duke for crying out loud. It IS news during a time when there is no news. To suggest the NCAA should just turn a blind eye because "every school/player receives improper benefits" is a ridiculous statement to make. If they want to look into every program then yeah, I'm sure they could find an insane amount of this going on all over. But because this made it out into the public, they HAVE to investigate it. If it turns out to be nothing, then it was news story during a down time and nothing more.
I actually find it down right laughable that anyone would suggest that the NCAA shouldn't look into this. Of all the things they do wrong, and they do A LOT wrong, when they actually do their job you think they shouldn't?
I've seen this discussed on twitter and again..it is a non-story.
They turned a blind eye to Duhon and so many other things but they're looking at Lance Thomas? I actually did have to google him because I had no idea who he was. And even after seeing his face..I still don't remember him.
This is a joke. I'm sure even Enes Kanter shaking his head.Comment
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I don't have a problem with you. The only thing I find laughable is that the NCAA is looking at receipts from over 2 years ago to "prove" to everyone that they're doing an outstanding job.
I've seen this discussed on twitter and again..it is a non-story.
They turned a blind eye to Duhon and so many other things but they're looking at Lance Thomas? I actually did have to google him because I had no idea who he was. And even after seeing his face..I still don't remember him.
This is a joke. I'm sure even Enes Kanter shaking his head.
What I took, and take, offense to is you suggesting that because I am a UK fan then I shouldn't say anything. This is a forum to discuss things. This is a college basketball forum. This is a story about Duke. I posted it to discuss it, not because I have an agenda. If you feel like it isn't worth discussing, I am sure you have it in you NOT to discuss it. My fandom has nothing to do with this small/medium/large/nonexistent/biggest story in the history of the world. It is just a topic to discuss during a very slow time for news.
The funny thing is, the bigger news story right now is Billy Gillispie making Bob Knight look like a saint. But because the lunatic coached at UK for 2 crappy years, and we heard similar stories then, I figured if I posted about it someone like you would come in and make snide remarks because I am a UK fan. Certainly didn't think talking about Duke would warrant it but I guess I was wrong.#WeAreUKComment
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Phantom, you should change your avatar to another team and then it'd be okay to post about Duke and UNC..Comment
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Not really.
I think making a similar thread about every other school doing the samething would suffice.#RespectTheCultureComment
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Look, I don't disagree with much of what you say. The NCAA is a joke as whole. They are clearly biased and have proved it time and time again. And to my knowledge, they are only looking at this because this has become public.
What I took, and take, offense to is you suggesting that because I am a UK fan then I shouldn't say anything. This is a forum to discuss things. This is a college basketball forum. This is a story about Duke. I posted it to discuss it, not because I have an agenda. If you feel like it isn't worth discussing, I am sure you have it in you NOT to discuss it. My fandom has nothing to do with this small/medium/large/nonexistent/biggest story in the history of the world. It is just a topic to discuss during a very slow time for news.
The funny thing is, the bigger news story right now is Billy Gillispie making Bob Knight look like a saint. But because the lunatic coached at UK for 2 crappy years, and we heard similar stories then, I figured if I posted about it someone like you would come in and make snide remarks because I am a UK fan. Certainly didn't think talking about Duke would warrant it but I guess I was wrong.
Listen..don't take it so personal. I don't think I've made a snide remark about you but if you feel so..I apologize.Comment
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Duke is going to get away with it -- again. Eleven years after it used an ineligible player to reach the 1999 Final Four, Duke apparently used an ineligible player in 2010 when it won the national championship.
Nothing happened to Duke in 1999.
Nothing will happen to Duke in 2010.
Before I continue with the hypocrisy of the NCAA, let me make a few points about Duke in 1999: In a vacuum, I don't necessarily think Duke should have been punished because freshman Corey Maggette accepted $2,000 from an AAU coach while in high school -- a violation of NCAA rules. Technically, Maggette shouldn't have been eligible for the entire 1998-99 season, and by using him to win 37 games and reach the title game, Duke was using an ineligible player. Therefore that Final Four appearance should be vacated. The banner at Cameron Indoor Stadium should come down.
Technically.
Again, I don't necessarily agree with that, just as I don't necessarily agree that Memphis should have vacated its 2008 Final Four appearance even if freshman Derrick Rose had posted an SAT score taken by someone else while in high school. The NCAA cleared Rose to play, just as it cleared Maggette at Duke, but when new information arose the NCAA held Memphis accountable for a mistake Rose made before he got to campus. I don't necessarily agree with that, but it happened, and the NCAA did hold Memphis accountable -- because that's what the NCAA does.
Only, the NCAA doesn't do it to Duke.
It didn't in 1999, although it held three other schools accountable for the sins of AAU coach Myron Piggie: UCLA, Oklahoma State and Missouri. All three schools had to suspend players who were given money in high school by Piggie, because the payments were discovered while that trio was still in college. Maggette? He was long gone. He turned pro after his freshman season. The NCAA couldn't suspend him in the NBA, but the NCAA didn't even pursue Duke's ill-gotten 1999 victories or NCAA tournament revenue -- even though an NCAA official acknowledged in 2000 that precedent said Duke should pay somehow.
"I expect [Duke] will lose 45 percent of the revenue earned at the 1999 NCAA tournament," NCAA public information coordinator Jane Janikowski said, "plus an automatic vacation of their performance in the tournament. In all the cases that have been similar to this one, that is what the precedent has been."
Not anymore, it's not. Duke got away with something that no school ever gets away with, and why? I can't tell you. If the sun rose tomorrow in the west, I wouldn't be able to explain that, either. Even if I saw it with my own eyes, as I did with Duke in 1999.
We're about to have a similar mystery with Duke, this one involving Lance Thomas and even bigger stakes -- a national championship.
According to court documents -- not rumors but actual court documents, the kind of evidence the NCAA used to crush Penn State in July -- Thomas made a $30,000 down payment on nearly $100,000 in jewelry in December 2009, when he was a senior on the Duke team. How did Thomas come up with the cash? Why would a merchant extend $67,800 in credit to an unemployed college senior? Nobody knows.
And nobody's ever going to find out.
After the jewelry company sued Thomas for defaulting on the loan -- hence the court documents -- the two sides reached a settlement. The NCAA is interested in Thomas' $30,000 down payment and $67,800 in financing, but the jewelry company says it won't talk to the NCAA, and Thomas probably won't, either.
That's where we are on this. If this were almost any other school, that school would get hammered by the NCAA based on the court documents. You know it. I know it. Hell, Duke has to know it. A player on its team received a $67,800 loan while in school, suggesting he received that loan on the promise that he would pay it back after turning pro somewhere, whether in this country or abroad. That sort of financing might sound logical, but it's a blatant NCAA violation. Allow college athletes to receive stuff based on their future earning potential, and you would have alums sweet-talking recruits onto campus by promising to "loan" cash or a car or even a house based on the recruit's future earnings.
That can't happen. What Lance Thomas did in 2009 can't happen -- yet it did. What will the NCAA do about it?
Nothing. And you know it. It's Corey Maggette all over again, a case that received some interest at first, then moved to the back burner, then fell off the stove entirely. Several years later, the NCAA determined Duke was innocent because its coach couldn't have known what Piggie was up to when Maggette was in high school. No such luck for UCLA, Oklahoma State and Missouri, who were apparently supposed to know what Piggie was up to when their players (JaRon Rush of UCLA, Andre Williams of Oklahoma State, Kareem Rush of Missouri) were in high school.
This Lance Thomas case could follow a similar path. It's getting interest now, but another scandal will happen soon enough, something shiny and sparkly, and like a bunch of dumb cats we'll let Duke go and we'll pounce on the new target. The Lance Thomas story will fade. That's what the NCAA is counting on, anyway.
So is Duke.
Don't let this one fade, people. It's not so much that Duke was dastardly in 2010 -- it's the hypocrisy of the NCAA, which arbitrarily chooses the schools, and coaches, it wants to punish.
This one is all or nothing. Either Duke surrenders the 2010 national title ... or nothing happens.
Don't let this one fade, people.Comment
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