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  • cheesesteak
    Rookie
    • Nov 2008
    • 149

    #106
    Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

    Originally posted by DamnYanks2
    14 of 16 teams is insane. I'd have personally left Texas out. Everyone else was pretty deserving.
    I don't know. I had UGA and Oklahoma out, too. I thought Boise St and maybe WVU or Indiana should've made it. And I'm fine with UNC, tbh.

    I'd like to have seen George Mason or UC Irvine make it, too. Or even Wake, who has the same résumé as UNC. Sure they don't have the analytics/metrics as those SEC teams, but at some point, results (and eye test) just have take priority over analytics/metrics, right?

    Don't get me wrong, yes, I do believe who you beat and lose to matters. I do value Quad 1 AND Quad 2 record. But I also truly do believe a 28-6 midmajor is more deserving to make the tournament than a 19-15 Power Conference team.

    And those SEC teams just beat up on each other. So why not give another conference a chance to maybe beat them? I know that's not how it works, but it's like, you're just filling the bracket with teams that we've already seen play each other and we know what to expect. And I DO believe pre-season expectations should have some sort of sway in decision-making (hence why I'm okay w/ UNC. They were rightfully considered a real good team that just...didn't get good results).

    As for my picks, I'll finalize them Wed night once the true field is determined (not that I have any #11 picks going to the FF, but still). I'm currently torn between what #7-or-worse seed to pick to go to the FF. That is part of my formula, I always pick one #7-or-worse seed to the FF as it has happened all but 3 times since 2010. I'm currently torn between Gonzaga and Louisville. Possibly Arkansas or New Mexico.
    Last edited by cheesesteak; 03-17-2025, 12:38 PM.
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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52771

      #107
      Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

      Still trying to comprehend how Louisville got an 8 seed.


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      • DamnYanks2
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jun 2007
        • 20794

        #108
        Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

        Originally posted by cheesesteak
        I don't know. I had UGA and Oklahoma out, too. I thought Boise St and maybe WVU or Indiana should've made it. And I'm fine with UNC, tbh.

        I'd like to have seen George Mason or UC Irvine make it, too. Or even Wake, who has the same résumé as UNC. Sure they don't have the analytics/metrics as those SEC teams, but at some point, results (and eye test) just have take priority over analytics/metrics, right?

        Don't get me wrong, yes, I do believe who you beat and lose to matters. I do value Quad 1 AND Quad 2 record. But I also truly do believe a 28-6 midmajor is more deserving to make the tournament than a 19-15 Power Conference team.

        And those SEC teams just beat up on each other. So why not give another conference a chance to maybe beat them? I know that's not how it works, but it's like, you're just filling the bracket with teams that we've already seen play each other and we know what to expect. And I DO believe pre-season expectations should have some sort of sway in decision-making (hence why I'm okay w/ UNC. They were rightfully considered a real good team that just...didn't get good results).

        As for my picks, I'll finalize them Wed night once the true field is determined (not that I have any #11 picks going to the FF, but still). I'm currently torn between what #7-or-worse seed to pick to go to the FF. That is part of my formula, I always pick one #7-or-worse seed to the FF as it has happened all but 3 times since 2010. I'm currently torn between Gonzaga and Louisville. Possibly Arkansas or New Mexico.
        Definitely not Oklahoma. They have alot of tremendous Quad 1 wins. As does Georgia to a degree. Notably beating St John's and Florida.

        The SEC was a gauntlet. Calll me bias. But 1 seed Duke has 8-9 losses in this conference.

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        • cheesesteak
          Rookie
          • Nov 2008
          • 149

          #109
          Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

          Originally posted by DamnYanks2
          Definitely not Oklahoma. They have alot of tremendous Quad 1 wins. As does Georgia to a degree. Notably beating St John's and Florida.
          That's fair. I think I have just an anti-SEC bias lol. And I value conference tournaments a lot too and UGA and Oklahoma lost too early for my taste.

          Now, Vandy also lost in the 1st rnd of the SEC tourney, and they have basically the same resume as UGA (12-1 non-conf, 8-10 in SEC regular season). But I guess I sentimentally favor Vandy over UGA since Vandy had more to its disadvantage (shorter team, less elite players, less continuity with new coach and returning 10% of mins from last season vs UGA's 28%, etc) and yet still performed the same as UGA.
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          • DamnYanks2
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jun 2007
            • 20794

            #110
            Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

            Originally posted by cheesesteak
            That's fair. I think I have just an anti-SEC bias lol. And I value conference tournaments a lot too and UGA and Oklahoma lost too early for my taste.

            Now, Vandy also lost in the 1st rnd of the SEC tourney, and they have basically the same resume as UGA (12-1 non-conf, 8-10 in SEC regular season). But I guess I sentimentally favor Vandy over UGA since Vandy had more to its disadvantage (shorter team, less elite players, less continuity with new coach and returning 10% of mins from last season vs UGA's 28%, etc) and yet still performed the same as UGA.
            I agree 14 is pushing it. I mean Texas shouldn't of gotten in at all. But it's a tough tough choice leaving anybody else out.

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            • LowerWolf
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2006
              • 12268

              #111
              Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

              I hope this first game is a prelude for how the rest of the tournament is going to be.

              Edit: Second game, not so much.
              Last edited by LowerWolf; 03-18-2025, 10:09 PM.

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              • Speedy
                #Ace
                • Apr 2008
                • 16143

                #112
                Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                Originally posted by countryboy
                Still trying to comprehend how Louisville got an 8 seed.


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                Massively underseeded.

                Also, massive home court advantage.
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                It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                • cheesesteak
                  Rookie
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 149

                  #113
                  Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                  Originally posted by cheesesteak
                  Main Final Four - Houston, Duke, Gonzaga, Texas Tech
                  backup 4 - Alabama, Baylor, Indiana, Texas
                  +1 - UNC

                  Book it and check back in 6 months!
                  Welp, here we are, 5 months later. I think I'm gonna stick with my main 4 pre-season picks. But, Houston and the Zags are in the same bracket. Tough choice, but I think I'm NOT gonna stick to my "2 Texas teams" rule and go with the Zags.

                  So I got it:

                  Michigan St
                  Texas Tech
                  Gonzaga
                  Duke

                  Final - Duke over Texas Tech
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                  • LowerWolf
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 12268

                    #114
                    Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                    After picking every game correctly in the CFP, I'm 0-1 to start March Madness.

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                    • Speedy
                      #Ace
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 16143

                      #115
                      Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                      Welp.

                      So much for Louisville being underseeded. [emoji23]
                      Originally posted by Gibson88
                      Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                      It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                      • countryboy
                        Growing pains
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 52771

                        #116
                        Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                        Originally posted by Speedy
                        Welp.

                        So much for Louisville being underseeded. [emoji23]
                        They were still under seeded, despite the outcome.

                        Creighton got hot in the 1st half knocking down 9 3-pointers and built a lead too big for Louisville to overcome. Everytime Louisville made a run in the 2nd half, Creighton had an answer.

                        Tip your cap and move on.
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                        • LowerWolf
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 12268

                          #117
                          Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                          Originally posted by countryboy
                          They were still under seeded, despite the outcome.

                          Creighton got hot in the 1st half knocking down 9 3-pointers and built a lead too big for Louisville to overcome. Everytime Louisville made a run in the 2nd half, Creighton had an answer.

                          Tip your cap and move on.
                          Watching Creighton today reminded me how annoying they were last year. When they get hot, they're tough.

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                          • DamnYanks2
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 20794

                            #118
                            Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                            Clemson are you ok?

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                            • legendkiller5
                              The Lord of #Hashtags
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 7731

                              #119
                              Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                              Originally posted by countryboy
                              They were still under seeded, despite the outcome.

                              Creighton got hot in the 1st half knocking down 9 3-pointers and built a lead too big for Louisville to overcome. Everytime Louisville made a run in the 2nd half, Creighton had an answer.

                              Tip your cap and move on.
                              Yep, both things can be true. They were under seeded, yet ran into a hot team who is capable of making a deep run.

                              Creighton won't be the only mid-major knocking off a higher seed. Looking at you, Drake/Missouri.


                              Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                              Clemson are you ok?
                              I can't believe I didn't see this coming - Will Wade can coach his tail off.
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                              • DamnYanks2
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 20794

                                #120
                                Re: 2024-25 College Hoops Discussion

                                Originally posted by legendkiller5
                                Yep, both things can be true. They were under seeded, yet ran into a hot team who is capable of making a deep run.

                                Creighton won't be the only mid-major knocking off a higher seed. Looking at you, Drake/Missouri.




                                I can't believe I didn't see this coming - Will Wade can coach his tail off.
                                I took Mcneese with the points but I didn't expect then to slaughter them lol

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