Next Gen gameplay shows same issues from CG

[dreww3]

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We need more vids like this for the devs to get feedback. keep it up, i hope they take out VC, if you ask me thats why this game got ruined..

[magicman32]

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Good video. I hope they can improve the AI awareness and rebounding animations so it will look more realistic and not feel so cheap. I also think they really need to improve the catch animations. I hate the sliding that goes on in the catch animations. You make a good point with player momentum being inconsistent also. Defenders sliding out of position isn't a good look. Spacing also needs to be improved.

Overall, I think they really improved some of the foot planting, but 2k still has a lot of work to do to improve their game. Hopefully this Eco-motion engine will allow them to take care of these legacy issues.

I was expecting 2k14 current gameplay with better graphics, so I'm not disappointed. Seeing that Next Gen has better foot planting and better animations is a plus for IMO.

[yungflo]

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good breakdown, lost it when he said he was twerking out

[Optik]

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No disrespect.but it is a video game.

No offense, but the "it's a video game" argument has got to be one of the most annoyingly stupid ones thrown out at video games. Do you not think the OP knows this? He's not going through the game with a fine tooth comb. He's pointing out legacy issues that have plagued the game for several years.

And to all the people saying that the gameplay people should be satisfied and not expect too much - SHUT THE HELL UP. Yeah, I get it the graphics look great so could you attempt to resist the urge to basically say " **** you, I gots mine."?

[Dmanning2]

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Good video the rebounding has been broken for years, not sure if it will ever be fixed...

[Sundown]

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Good point about which hand the player uses.

There's a play later when someone uses their left hand for the layup when:
A) it's clear they should have laid it up with the right to avoid the defense.
B) the player even is a RIGHT HANDED PLAYER. Why would he lay it up with the left?

2K needs to work on the AI decision-making for when they should use the left hand or when they should use the right.

Fortunately, Beluba added manual lay-up handedness controls to next-gen, so just make sure to push the shot-stick towards the correct hand and not forward (which gets you auto-layup hand selection).

[Vni]

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Expect a beta version people.

[SPRINGS03]

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No offense, but the "it's a video game" argument has got to be one of the most annoyingly stupid ones thrown out at video games. Do you not think the OP knows this? He's not going through the game with a fine tooth comb. He's pointing out legacy issues that have plagued the game for several years.

And to all the people saying that the gameplay people should be satisfied and not expect too much - SHUT THE HELL UP. Yeah, I get it the graphics look great so could you attempt to resist the urge to basically say " **** you, I gots mine."?

Completely agree with this, some people are waaay to complacent and are easily satisfied. It's almost like how people repeatedly buy the COD games despite the gameplay issues never being fixed(spawning, hit detection, net code).



Gameplay doesn't look very improved. Seeing the same issues that have been in the game for years, which is ridiculous. Also i really don't like the fact that they seemed to be focused on more gimmicky features for next gen. "My player mode now has a rival guys" "We added cut scenes" "Players show more emotions" Nobody asked for this, why hasn't 2k talked about addressing the flaws that have been in previous games? EA did the same thing with fight night champion(probably the best looking sports game this gen), the game looked amazing, but they decided to focus on stupid things like a story mode, and having more blood. The gameplay suffered because of it.

[wallofhate]

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I started not to reply because like I expected it always comes to someone halfway insulting the person that they don't agree with. I'm not getting into some kind of pissing match online. It's definitely not complacency or accepting less I would prefer anyone not speak for me or how I feel when they don't know or understand the bigger picture. Like someone stated before these guys know this stuff they see it but developing is hard is not easy. I don't get into the "developers are lazy" blah blah blah stuff. A lot of these things get reduce until it's gone is not as easy as saying take that out and is solved. These guys imo make great games especially being the fact that it's a yearly thing. Do I want the game to play exactly like real life yeah am I aim player you bet your *** I am. All I started was any game ever made on any system has weird things here or there. So why keep praying on it? You think ea doesn't know Madden doesn't move like real life and it's not up to par compared to the mlb the show and nba 2k of the world? I don't know why that had to be stupid just coherent way of thinking about things.

[bigeastbumrush]

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So this is why the CPU is always killing humans on the offensive glass.

Dudes are boxing out space, not their man. Wow.

I remember years ago the fights on this forum for rebounds hitting the floor. Rebounding worked very well at one point. But it's been a serious issue for the last 2 or so years.

[Sundown]

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You think ea doesn't know Madden doesn't move like real life and it's not up to par compared to the mlb the show and nba 2k of the world? I don't know why that had to be stupid just coherent way of thinking about things.

I think EA knows that Madden animates terribly.

I also think EA doesn't really care and *is* "lazy"-- simply because they have little motivation to solve these difficult problems because of the NFL monopoly. Regardless of what they do or don't do, money pours in as long as it's a mostly playable game. It's well documented that football gaming has stagnated since 2005 because of the exclusive license.

I agree with the rest of your post-- 2K is obviously trying to improve their core game by addressing things like foot planting, which is a notoriously difficult problem to solve. They have plenty of work to do but they're chipping away at it, and I give them credit and a little bit of slack for that.

[diehardknicksfan]

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Think ppl are expecting too much from a video game. It's not gunna be perfect first time out the box on next gen. Give it some time.

But could the difficulty have anything to do with the CPU rebounding ability/logic

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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So this is why the CPU is always killing humans on the offensive glass.

Dudes are boxing out space, not their man. Wow.

I remember years ago the fights on this forum for rebounds hitting the floor. Rebounding worked very well at one point. But it's been a serious issue for the last 2 or so years.

Rebounding was always broken. Bigs grabbed too many, the ratings were baseless, they called way too many basket interferences/goal tends, verticals were uniform and there were a lack of long, intentionally and accidentally tipped out rebounds. Its easy to see what went wrong. You can see it in both Lopez brothers. Brook has a 63 in defensive rebounding, Robin has a 43. The ratings arent baseless they are poor per minn defensive rebounders however they both do a good enough job of keeping other 5s off the offensive glass and advance rebounding stats reflect that. Also both have terrible verts and stamina which is why I think they get lazy.

Its largely a ratings issue though the game still lacks rebounding dynamics ie box out specialist like the Lopez brothers, longer, deflected and intentionally tipped rebounds.

I dont see what was so off about the Bosh lob. He could see James going to the hoop before he spun. The problem is everything else before the lob namely the horrible offball man/ball relation defense. It seems like Im the only one who things the interior pass defense while better than the 2k8-2k10 lead pass days is still the weakest most defunct part of the AI.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Completely agree with this, some people are waaay to complacent and are easily satisfied. It's almost like how people repeatedly buy the COD games despite the gameplay issues never being fixed(spawning, hit detection, net code).

(Not surprised SPRINGS03 piles on...)

You both are full of it. Here is a fact you can't argue: it IS a video game! It is NOT perfect. It will NEVER be perfect. It's the people that realize this that don't throw a temper tantrum over every sign that it is not perfect. It's NOT complacency. You're talking about some of the same people that have their own gripes and have voiced them plenty. So to imply they are just blowing things off is wrong. Like I said, the OP was great to point out these issues. Of course, the parrots had to start chirping and taking it to another level. On the other side, folks need to remember that calling attention to and acknowledging the flaws of the games makes them better games. There IS a middle ground. Find it.

[JasonWilliams55]

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Rebounding ratings being lopsided in favor of Orebs is the issue. Offline fixable, online is gonna have some issues, I see STATS isn't what I thought it was gonna bring. Maybe NG is getting the red carpet treatment and STATS is awaiting NG? I dunno fingercrossed.