NBA 2K14 VC Shows Its Ugly Side

[VDusen04]

Re: NBA 2K14 VC Shows Its Ugly Side

Don't kid yourself that 'this won't fly'. It will, and gamers will be to blame.

2K hasn't bent on VC since introducing it in 2K13, they have actually increased its reach and many of the complaints we hear aren't about the pricing structure, but about people who purchased VC and then lost it in a corrupt file. So gamers, maybe forced into a corner, ARE already buying into this system.

Two things can change it. Gamers can stand up, and not just scream about it, but boycott it. Don't subscribe to these sales tactics and force publisher to change the model.

The other, more likely out come, is that all publishers start to prescribe to these tactics. Soon, a $60 game, is only a $60 entry ticket into a buffet where you pay buy the ounce. This is effectively a price increase turning a $60 game into a $100 game.

Gamers will adapt to this by buying fewer games, which in turn will only drive publishers to raise the cost of each game. Gamers who once purchased Madden, FIFA and NHL at a straight $60 will cut back and buy only one, maybe two of those titles, knowing they will need to invest another $20-$40 to actually play those games.

Gamers wont stop spending the same amount but what they do spend will be spread across a much smaller spectrum of games. This will kill off all but the very large franchises and make publishers unwilling to gamble on anything new. Fewer options at the store will mean fewer and fewer people find a gaming niche they are willing to 'invest' in.

Console gaming will implode on itself and its own greed. It wont happen over night but it will happen. The 'next generation' may not be a 'game' console but instead you maybe buying a 'Madden Console' or a 'COD Console' that has a single purpose - to drip feed you a generation of Madden products.

Haunting...

[Sundown]

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You're still messing the big picture. This is for the SCORING RECORD. Period. I don't think you could actually simulate and expect that.

Career records should give a good payoff since you obviously HAD to play for it. Let alone earn your way. even if you do get that VC and let's say, start a new career, a lot of that will drain really quickly.

There's no way you can simulate and actually get that record.

Again, you're dodging the fact where no one has ever done it and will most likely will not happen for a Long time.

What your idea of where that VC can be spent on is on you. I believe it's deserved to have a higher payoff for contracts the more you get better and you get higher VC when you break a Career record.

The prices on some things are just flat out ridiculous

Here's what I would be talking about. (Using Smoove's myCareer, note that he's already 81, but since you would've broken that scoring record, I highly doubt you kept yourself at a low level. So this is a reference to spending 38k VC on brand new myCareer, remember that these prices are SOO much higher when your lower.)

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In Smoove's case, if we spent that VC on only those 5 stats, already over half of it is gone.

Speed would be the VC spender and also dunks. Keep in mind animations, sig skills, and other modes have not even been touched yet. Only attributes.

I would stop using the "sim" argument since myCareer is taking a bad direction for that aspect. There's no "sim" definition of earnings anyways since it's Mario coins we are earning. Heck, maybe someone can earn more Mario coins in a Mario game then you scoring 38,000 points in myCareer

If you want this sim, then you wouldn't even be doing this VC concept, you would just play the game and if you're hot, you get a small gain, cold, decrease, consistently good, large boosts, consistently bad, larger sores, etc.

But since VC is currently here, that's why I believe in what I am saying with increasing the earning system.


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I think we're just talking over each other. I don't really see how difficult an achievement is has anything to do with how the VC reward mechanic should work for realistic player progression (gradual and not in giant chunks). This applies to all rewards regardless of difficulty. I suggested alternatives that would allow for large rewards and gradual but accelerated skill progression.

Just because no one has done it or it's rare to achieve doesn't mean it's okay for the reward to be applied in an unsim way.

Skill points/VC should not be given in large chunks for overnight mastery of skills period in an ideal system that's somewhat sim.

[Sundown]

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Lol VC ain't going anywhere i don't need to justify anything if i want VC i'll buy it i don't care about the park online or blacktop whatever it's called i don't go online on 2k period because it's bad.

Try playing on HOF your 2nd game when your guy can't make a wide open layup or hit even a mid range shot and you're supposed to outscore Jackson Ellis with your 61 overall and you're coming off the bench for 5-10 mins only while hes playing 30+

Don't play on HOF period. HOF with massively boosted CPU attributes is cheese and any complaints about balance and difficulty is a non starter.

[MarvinOida]

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I think we're just talking over each other. I don't really see how difficult an achievement is has anything to do with how the VC reward mechanic should work for realistic player progression (gradual and not in giant chunks). This applies to all rewards regardless of difficulty. I suggested alternatives that would allow for large rewards and gradual but accelerated skill progression.

Just because no one has done it or it's rare to achieve doesn't mean it's okay for the reward to be applied in an unsim way.

Skill points/VC should not be given in large chunks for overnight mastery of skills period in an ideal system that's somewhat sim.

I understand that system but again 38K is not much.

In an ideal system, VC is gone. And you get a base player and improve base on your performance, not buy your stats.

That's more Sim and will be more sim than this VC system.


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[oouie433]

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To anyone saying 2K isn't trying to screw customers, just compare the rewards.

People in this thread are talking about how you make 500 VC for scoring 38,387 career points. That's less than you earn in one game.

Want to take a guess how much you earned in 2K11 before VC? 50,000 skill points. Sure you earned about 1000-3000 skill points a game if I remember correctly, but if they kept their conversion rate there, that should work out to about 20,000-30,000 VC if they were trying to keep things fair.

It's a complete joke. I've said this numerous times, but if you guys are upset with the way 2K is trying to turn gaming into a cheap gimmick found on free to play cell phone games, just don't buy their game next year. Switch to Madden, switch to FIFA, switch to NBA Live, switch to MLB The Show, get into PC gaming, play real basketball, do something else with your time, just don't buy the game day 1 until you get enough information to assure yourself that you aren't getting screwed.

Buying this broken game day 1 encourages them to put out a garbage product that's basically a middle finger to the fans since they're getting rewarded for it. Anytime someone's MyPlayer glitches and erases or whatever, they get rewarded for having a crap product if that person buys VC to get back to where he was. Not only do they half-*** the product, they treat us like idiots.

You have Ronnie2K and LD2K always browsing this forum pre-release and post-release but they'll never directly answer any questions about how greedy 2K's VC policy is or how broken some of the game modes are, or at best they'll give us a half-assed condescending answer. If we're waiting on a roster, "it's coming soon." If we get a patch "it addresses technical stuff" without any specifics.

It's time to stop rewarding 2K for this anti-consumer, grind or pay, unfinished piece of trash that forces you to be always online when 2K's servers are garbage. Come 2K15, seriously do yourself a favor and wait a week to see comments on the game before you buy it. Just doing that in itself will be enough to put pressure on 2K.

Very we'll said sir

Very we'll said. This is my last release day purchase of 2k until things improve. I don't need the added stress in my everyday life from a game that is supposed to provide an escape

[El_Poopador]

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Well, scoring 38K in a myCareer career should just give you a lot of VC JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE DEDICATED TO actually do that lol.

i mean seriously, WHO HAS SCORED 38K and made the HoF with a myCareer player in ONE calendar year? I believe that you should be awarded a lot for that. If its like 100 points in a game, its really no big deal since everyone can do that.


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back before the days of microtransactions and patches this would have been fun to do. break kareems record to unlock kareem in-game. ah to go back to when games were more about fun than money.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: PastaPadre: VC Implementation Threatens The Future Of The NBA 2K Series

What's the difference between VC and 'gold' in an RPG?

I would sooner buy VC in a sports game before I buy gold in an RPG or money in a casual game. I dont like VC in sports games unless you can get stuff like dashboard backgrounds or avatar jerseys. Buying gold in an RPG is something I completely despise.

[gutsdabeast]

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Bought the game, enjoyed the game play. Got an error code. Sold it to Amazon. Could have waited for a patch. But the cash grab of VC completely put me off. Glad it happened. I will not buy another game day one. Will wait 2 weeks to see how the game plays. Or if they have a cash grab in place.

[PPerfect_CJ]

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To anyone saying 2K isn't trying to screw customers, just compare the rewards.

People in this thread are talking about how you make 500 VC for scoring 38,387 career points. That's less than you earn in one game.

Want to take a guess how much you earned in 2K11 before VC? 50,000 skill points. Sure you earned about 1000-3000 skill points a game if I remember correctly, but if they kept their conversion rate there, that should work out to about 20,000-30,000 VC if they were trying to keep things fair.

It's a complete joke. I've said this numerous times, but if you guys are upset with the way 2K is trying to turn gaming into a cheap gimmick found on free to play cell phone games, just don't buy their game next year. Switch to Madden, switch to FIFA, switch to NBA Live, switch to MLB The Show, get into PC gaming, play real basketball, do something else with your time, just don't buy the game day 1 until you get enough information to assure yourself that you aren't getting screwed.

Buying this broken game day 1 encourages them to put out a garbage product that's basically a middle finger to the fans since they're getting rewarded for it. Anytime someone's MyPlayer glitches and erases or whatever, they get rewarded for having a crap product if that person buys VC to get back to where he was. Not only do they half-*** the product, they treat us like idiots.

You have Ronnie2K and LD2K always browsing this forum pre-release and post-release but they'll never directly answer any questions about how greedy 2K's VC policy is or how broken some of the game modes are, or at best they'll give us a half-assed condescending answer. If we're waiting on a roster, "it's coming soon." If we get a patch "it addresses technical stuff" without any specifics.

It's time to stop rewarding 2K for this anti-consumer, grind or pay, unfinished piece of trash that forces you to be always online when 2K's servers are garbage. Come 2K15, seriously do yourself a favor and wait a week to see comments on the game before you buy it. Just doing that in itself will be enough to put pressure on 2K.

Just wish that I could like this post more than once. You hit the nail on the head, man. Excellent post.

[shegotgame]

NBA 2K14 VC Shows Its Ugly Side

It's a complete joke. I've said this numerous times, but if you guys are upset with the way 2K is trying to turn gaming into a cheap gimmick found on free to play cell phone games, just don't buy their game next year. Switch to Madden, switch to FIFA, switch to NBA Live, switch to MLB The Show, get into PC gaming, play real basketball, do something else with your time, just don't buy the game day 1 until you get enough information to assure yourself that you aren't getting screwed.



Buying this broken game day 1 encourages them to put out a garbage product that's basically a middle finger to the fans since they're getting rewarded for it. Anytime someone's MyPlayer glitches and erases or whatever, they get rewarded for having a crap product if that person buys VC to get back to where he was. Not only do they half-*** the product, they treat us like idiots.



You have Ronnie2K and LD2K always browsing this forum pre-release and post-release but they'll never directly answer any questions about how greedy 2K's VC policy is or how broken some of the game modes are, or at best they'll give us a half-assed condescending answer. If we're waiting on a roster, "it's coming soon." If we get a patch "it addresses technical stuff" without any specifics.



It's time to stop rewarding 2K for this anti-consumer, grind or pay, unfinished piece of trash that forces you to be always online when 2K's servers are garbage. Come 2K15, seriously do yourself a favor and wait a week to see comments on the game before you buy it. Just doing that in itself will be enough to put pressure on 2K.

This post has really given me a new perspective. Man I wish NBA Live I've were more playable. But I just picked up Fifa and I've been wowed.

I expected Next Gen to have unforeseen issues. But these problems were foreseeable; 2K put them there.


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[Zab]

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I broke my pattern of not buying day one (unless heavily discounted) for this game because it was the only next gen title that had me thirsty for that newness. At first, I was floored; after few games, I couldn't believe how great everything looked. Greatest basketball sim ever!

That opinion would change over time.
"What, My Career is scripted and nonsensical?"
"How is Chris Anderson hitting contested fadeaway jumpers in the post against my best defender?"

"Why are my stars missing wide open/barely contested layups/shots under the net?"

"GRAB THE F**KING REBOUND!!!"

My opinion now? Never again.

[imraged]

Re: PastaPadre: VC Implementation Threatens The Future Of The NBA 2K Series

What's the difference between VC and 'gold' in an RPG?

Didn't read any further than this so someone else probably addressed it but...

The difference is; imagine if the next Final Fantasy (or whatever other big name RPG) replaced experience points with more 'gold' while simultaneously eliminating equipment drops by defeated enemies. The only way to upgrade your characters and their equipment is to spend 'gold'; all without significantly increasing the amount of 'gold' earned or reducing costs.

Imagine how the RPG community would react...


Besides that though I definitely won't be buying any future iterations of this game until VC is removed or major alterations are made to the economy of the game.

[sword1986]

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Unless the Patch really fixes this game, I will not be getting 2K15 on midnight release. Might be an end to video-gaming for me

[Zab]

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@sword1986 Despite the negative tone, I'm really only mad I paid regular price. I hear there was a crazy Amazon digital sale that made this game dirt cheap, so at $20 or $30 I would've considered this game a good buy.

It's still early, though. We'll see how the game is looking after another few patches. In the meantime, I'll deal.

[VDusen04]

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Unless the Patch really fixes this game, I will not be getting 2K15 on midnight release. Might be an end to video-gaming for me

A couple of months later, I'm wondering if the negative feedback has been strong enough at this point to yield the change we're looking for in this regard. That said, as much as I enjoyed purchasing NBA 2K3 through NBA 2K13 all on day one, I think those days are gone. I'll be very cautious next year, even if information releases claim, "We listened and now we're giving gamers everything they want!"