Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

[Trackball]

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I think what he means is...

You know how you can choose a player type in MyCareer--Athletic, Defensive, All-Around, and all that?

Well, without changing individual attributes, the game assigns each of these "roles" to the player, since each has its own way of determining Overall rating.

The Overall the game goes with is the one that gives the highest rating from any of these "roles" that you could give the player.

If this is correct, then you theoretically CAN change a player's type--like, turning a Rebounding center into an All-Around one by improving his shooting and Awareness ratings and such.

However, seeing as there are attribute caps in MyCareer, I'm sure it works a little differently there. But that has yet to be revealed.

[eko718]

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Not exactly, and this post should address other confusion in the thread:

For every player, their individual ratings will run through all of the overall formulas possible for a given position. Whichever formula generates the highest overall is what is displayed in the roster. The individual attributes matter more than ever in determining a players overall.

Can you could elaborate as to what are some of the overall formulas possible for a given position might be based on?

[bedwardsroy19]

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Can you could elaborate as to what are some of the overall formulas possible for a given position might be based on?

We will be elaborating on this in the future, this was just to add some perspective in the ratings that are being released. But in the past, player's overall rating by position was calculated by a singular formula. In 2K15 there are many different formulas that are calculated that will look at certain individual attributes with more weight than others to account for different player types. Of those formulas the highest Overall is selected. The overall formula from games past is still there, but many other formulas are being calculated to accurately display the overall worth of a player who specializes in a certain part of the game.

In years past many claimed Overall ratings "mean nothing". This year they should. Player's Overall rating should finally be the point of debates.

[NINJAK2]

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Does this revamped formula include 2k15 across all platforms bed or is it primarily for next/current gen/pc? Hope this question isn't off topic guys..

[Future 23]

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I think the new ratings formula will just place more weight/importance to specific individual ratings based on what "type" of player is being rated.. a shot blocking rim defender might not get docked if he can't shoot, and a stretch 4 won't get docked if he can't block shots.. guys like Kyle Korver and Tony Allen for example could theoretically have the same overall.

The more "complete" players will still have highest ratings, but now "specialists" might finally get some love.. excited to see how it works out..

Good stuff Beds!

[eko718]

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We will be elaborating on this in the future, this was just to add some perspective in the ratings that are being released. But in the past, player's overall rating by position was calculated by a singular formula. In 2K15 there are many different formulas that are calculated that will look at certain individual attributes with more weight than others to account for different player types. Of those formulas the highest Overall is selected. The overall formula from games past is still there, but many other formulas are being calculated to accurately display the overall worth of a player who specializes in a certain part of the game.

In years past many claimed Overall ratings "mean nothing". This year they should. Player's Overall rating should finally be the point of debates.

I get it now I think. It sounds like the individual ratings will determine player type in a sense.

[hristi]

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This is gonna be so good!

[Crystar500]

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2K did us all a service by hiring you, Beds.

I do wish that a team's system factored in as well. An example being a player excelling in the Spurs' system, but seeing a drop in rating when traded to somewhere like the Knicks, who are running the Triangle Offense this year.

Not a big deal for me, though, I love the new system! I'm sure it'll help MyLEAGUE play out much better!

Oh, and one question - Has there been any changes to player potential?

[Future 23]

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We should have some nice overalls that will lead to some good debates with this new system..

[Toaster]

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So let's say a the algorithm gets the highest overall rating for a certain player (let's take Kawhi as our measuring stick) from the weighing for:

#1: Defensive Ace
#2: Corner 3pt Maestro

The immediate ramification would be that his overall will be the one calculated by the "Defensive Ace" (temporary name, patent pending ) weighting system and thus the game would "assume" that the player is a defensive specialist.
My questions are:

1A) Will the AI still acknowledge that the player is elite in more than one respect (since both value alternatives produce a high overall)?

1B) And if it does recognize the players multi-faceted brilliance, will that raise his trade value? (Perhaps it's unnecessary since all factors will contribute to a higher overall anyway))

2) Will the in-game AI be able to assign offensive plays and defensive match-ups based on these overall-based player characterizations?

Cheers,
Omri

[Boilerbuzz]

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Frankly, I want to see overalls gone completely. It's a bs metric for people too lazy to really evaluate a player. Dirk is a prime example of a great player that shouldn't have a high overall rating. There a many players that would have crap overall, but every team would want them.

[Trackball]

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2K did us all a service by hiring you, Beds.

I do wish that a team's system factored in as well. An example being a player excelling in the Spurs' system, but seeing a drop in rating when traded to somewhere like the Knicks, who are running the Triangle Offense this year.

Not a big deal for me, though, I love the new system! I'm sure it'll help MyLEAGUE play out much better!

Oh, and one question - Has there been any changes to player potential?

I agree. A great example is Jeremy Lin at the height of Linsanity--the coach at the time, Mike D'Antoni, had a system in place that happened to be PERFECTLY suited to Lin's strengths. When Melo ordered D'Antoni be fired (never forget this), Mike Woodson made it known that this was Melo and Amare's team, not some undrafted nobody's. Lin's play dipped.

And people wonder why that organization is such a mess--and why hiring Phil Jackson was a step in the right direction. But I digress.

[Boilerbuzz]

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A prime example of why there is no magic overall formula to rate a dude. The team matters for some guys. Not as much for others. Get rid of it.

[turty11]

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you lost me at the OVR should be the point of debates comment.

only way thats happening is if every OVR is calculated on 1 exact formula that doesnt vary by position.

[DatGD12guage]

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Not exactly, and this post should address other confusion in the thread:

For every player, their individual ratings will run through all of the overall formulas possible for a given position. Whichever formula generates the highest overall is what is displayed in the roster. The individual attributes matter more than ever in determining a players overall.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo! I think I understand now.

Guys go and edit a Center in NBA 2k14 and lower his Rebounding rating and you will see that his overall rating will take a bigger hit than a PG will if you lower their rebounding rating b/c at the PG position thats not a necessary attribute thats as important as it would be for a big man.

However, BEDS, are you saying that if lets say we have a PG that is rated high in the basic categories that a PG should be good in like passing, awareness, etc but lower/decent in EVERY other department that has nothing to do with being a PG then his overall will still be higher than say a point guard who is rated higher in EVERYTHING that has nothing to do with being a point guard.........?

If so I can see how when you look at the overall of a player that has a high rating you will be able to tell that he is the best in the league at his position AHAH! I think I gotchu brothuh............

So that would explain why Lebron would be rated so high b/c he does EVERTHING a SF does plus more in every other department enough to where he would be in the 90's

Where as a KD does what a SF does at his position decent enough to when you add in how HIGH his other offensive talents are then he would be rated higher but MELO is lower than KD b/c he doesnt play D LOL.

Yeh you do have to go in depth with this b/c its kind of hard to explain homey. Interesting

WOULD YOU CARE TO SHARE WITH US WHAT NEW TENDENCIES AND ATTRIBUTES YOU GUYS HAVE ADDED?