Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

[DaBoyBk]

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2K did us all a service by hiring you, Beds.

I do wish that a team's system factored in as well. An example being a player excelling in the Spurs' system, but seeing a drop in rating when traded to somewhere like the Knicks, who are running the Triangle Offense this year.

Not a big deal for me, though, I love the new system! I'm sure it'll help MyLEAGUE play out much better!

Oh, and one question - Has there been any changes to player potential?

I totally agree with this its as if Boris Diaw was traded to the Clippers his overall should drop immediately depending the offense and defense ran there, run and gun and etc. in comparison to the ball movement and screening on the Spurs. That would be great as players are valued different in different roles and teams. Tim Thomas did good in Milwaukee as 6th man and run n gun offense. But he didn't do well in NY or CHI but then in 6th man run n gun in PHX he did well again but then when he left fell off in different system again. It should be like a team chemistry rating type of thing. The problem would only be problem if players do good/bad during the season and before/after trades and 2k doesn't adjust them promptly for us to play with those athletes appropriately.

[DaBoyBk]

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As NBA 2K15 Overall ratings are released, I think it is important to point out that NBA 2K15 will feature a revamped formula to determine a player's overall rating. This year a player's overall rating will be determined by what "type" of player they are. By having more dynamic overall rating formulas it allows for players who are highly valued by teams to have a more representative "Overall" rating. Specialists such as great defenders, shooters, and rebounders will have an overall value that properly displays their worth to an NBA team.

The goal of the newly calculated Overall formulas is to as accurately as possible show a player's value in the NBA. The new formula will really highlight those players that play a very important role on their team, but may not be the prototypical player at their position. All players in the NBA provide some sort of value to their team, and the revamped Overall formulas should really illustrate that in NBA 2K15

Are you guys gonna adjust the fatigue to a higher level of losing stamina/energy to give us a little more realistic feel? What I mean by this is by adjusting fatigue as 2k4/2k5 kind of way players will have to call timeouts to stop runs and give players more rest but also without incresing the energy level to a complete 100% at half time or faster drop starting the 3rd quarter as it used to be back in the day. Too many users use a Lebron, Wade & etc all game without any consequences of running slow or losing the ball on too many dribble moves (2k4/2k5) due to fatigue as it used to be.
Also they insert 3pt specialists or bench players who in real life don't play many minutes and play them all game which is unrealistic. In the NBA, these players sometimes play 10,15, 25 minutes tops depending the player so they shouldn't have the same stamina as players who play 30-40+ minutes a night.

[sniapeko]

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Reading this thread, the only thing I can think of is, will the OVR value still be the only thing the CPU cares about when setting its own rotations or when discussing a trade or a contract?
And will this new formula be applied on old gen or only on Ps4/XBone?

[Hassan Darkside]

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We will be elaborating on this in the future, this was just to add some perspective in the ratings that are being released. But in the past, player's overall rating by position was calculated by a singular formula. In 2K15 there are many different formulas that are calculated that will look at certain individual attributes with more weight than others to account for different player types. Of those formulas the highest Overall is selected. The overall formula from games past is still there, but many other formulas are being calculated to accurately display the overall worth of a player who specializes in a certain part of the game.

In years past many claimed Overall ratings "mean nothing". This year they should. Player's Overall rating should finally be the point of debates.

So as a player's individual attributes progress (or regress), does the formula continue to recalculate and thus, it would be possible for the player type to change simply based off of that?

[MarkWilliam]

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Complex - but I'm wrapping my head around it.... definitely sounds interesting and I feel positive about it (considering I could understand it a touch more).....


Definitely have to throw props to the mind that devised this. As if I am understanding it correctly, definitely sounds complex yet simple.....


Sounds to me there is a series of ratings which contribute to a player - more so, to his player type (based on his position). Which ever "player type" his ratings point towards in the highest regard (in terms of overall rating) is what he is essentially defined as.....


If I haven't gotten that right, then I am sure a future explanation will do so down the road..... but none the less, I am excited either way.


NBA 2K15 = Vast! And a lot of things will push it towards sim/realism from what we know thus far..... very exciting....

[MarkWilliam]

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So as a player's individual attributes progress (or regress), does the formula continue to recalculate and thus, it would be possible for the player type to change simply based off of that?

If I understand it correctly, this sounds right. And it is great - as a player ages and his ratings change, his role (or player type) changes.


This is fantastic if this is correct - it really would allow users to see how a player changes over his career. I'm thinking Scottie Pippen in his prime to how he was in his late Portland days, off the top of my head.


Again, this is IF I understand it right....

[Real2KInsider]

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Frankly, I want to see overalls gone completely. It's a bs metric for people too lazy to really evaluate a player. Dirk is a prime example of a great player that shouldn't have a high overall rating. There a many players that would have crap overall, but every team would want them.

It's not for people to evaluate a player. It's for the CPU to evaluate a player.

Dirk has a crap overall because 2K's formula has been broken for a long time (barely giving weight to outside shooting when it's value to PFs is painfully obvious).

[Real2KInsider]

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Not exactly, and this post should address other confusion in the thread:

For every player, their individual ratings will run through all of the overall formulas possible for a given position. Whichever formula generates the highest overall is what is displayed in the roster. The individual attributes matter more than ever in determining a players overall.

As an example then to see i I understand correctly.

I have Jason Smith (PF/C) rated at the following positions

PG: 58
SG: 66
SF: 72
PF: 71
C: 68

What you are roughly saying is that he will rate 72 Overall (his SF rating) even if I have him at center, because that is his peak value across all of the formulas.

[Hassan Darkside]

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As an example then to see i I understand correctly.

I have Jason Smith (PF/C) rated at the following positions

PG: 58
SG: 66
SF: 72
PF: 71
C: 68

What you are roughly saying is that he will rate 72 Overall (his SF rating) even if I have him at center, because that is his peak value across all of the formulas.

I understood it more as based off of a player type formula such as:
Rebounding: 66
Face Up: 70
Back to Basket: 68
Athletic: 65

And then it would choose his overall as a 70.

My other question now (assuming I'm understanding this correctly) is will you get an accurate depiction of regression? If a guy like, say, Paul George, who may be an 88 overall as an "all-around" SF regresses in his offensive ratings, will the formula recalculate and still have him at an 88 overall because he may now be an 88 as a defensive player type but an 86 as an all-around?

[DaBoyBk]

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As an example then to see i I understand correctly.

I have Jason Smith (PF/C) rated at the following positions

PG: 58
SG: 66
SF: 72
PF: 71
C: 68

What you are roughly saying is that he will rate 72 Overall (his SF rating) even if I have him at center, because that is his peak value across all of the formulas.

I understood it more as based off of a player type formula such as:
Rebounding: 66
Face Up: 70
Back to Basket: 68
Athletic: 65

And then it would choose his overall as a 70.

My other question now (assuming I'm understanding this correctly) is will you get an accurate depiction of regression? If a guy like, say, Paul George, who may be an 88 overall as an "all-around" SF regresses in his offensive ratings, will the formula recalculate and still have him at an 88 overall because he may now be an 88 as a defensive player type but an 86 as an all-around?

Man... @Rashidi @RuffRyder and all others here I think we need @bedwardsroy19 to get a little more in depth hopefully soon as we still dont have a definitive idea of what this new formula means or how its calculated

[Boilerbuzz]

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It's not for people to evaluate a player. It's for the CPU to evaluate a player.



Dirk has a crap overall because 2K's formula has been broken for a long time (barely giving weight to outside shooting when it's value to PFs is painfully obvious).

No, it's for people to evaluate players. The game can use whatever it deems necessary. Overalls are there primarily for the user.

Dork's overall is crap because as a PF in a traditional role, he is crap. Beyond that, scoring prowess is conceptually only part of the overall. So that has been reflected in his overall. It shouldn't be high because he lacks in too many other areas. But he needs to be boosted artificially so that his overall doesn't suck. Frankly, I don't think you can ever fix that.

[Boilerbuzz]

Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15

Man... @Rashidi @RuffRyder and all others here I think we need @bedwardsroy19 to get a little more in depth hopefully soon as we still dont have a definitive idea of what this new formula means or how its calculated

You guys will be waiting a long time as I'm sure he's not at liberty to say too much more about it. If he's not said too much already. Try no to get the guy in trouble.

[seanbarkley]

Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15

Man... @Rashidi @RuffRyder and all others here I think we need @bedwardsroy19 to get a little more in depth hopefully soon as we still dont have a definitive idea of what this new formula means or how its calculated

I'd like to ask Beds too: how many missing players should we expect for openning day roster this year, zero or so??

[24ct]

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Finally. This is why they have so many sig skills for the same type of stuff. ALA steals. Pick pocket and Interceptor. Tenacious Rebounder & Outlet Passer.

Most NBA players specialize in certain things. Which is HOW they get to the NBA. A scorer can score, but a shooter can shoot from anywhere. A Ray Allen type SG should have corner specialist. Dead Eye. Catch & Shoot etc...A Derrick Rose type PG would have finisher, posterizer, acrobat...

I think this means a player can be terrible on offense, or unpolished (Faried) but still be at least an 80 overall because of everything else he does.

A defensive/offensive/one sided player could be no more than an 80/85, but player like Paul George who plays both sides, but is not as efficient on offense as he is on defense would be an 85-89 overall at best.

Think Rubio. His passing for the PG position alone makes him at least an 80 IMO...He creates so many open looks, but he doesn't try to create for himself. I'm sure he can, but that's not his game. So his attributes should relate to him not being a scorer, but still an elite level PG...

[luda06]

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I'm a bit confused. Does a player's overall rating change if they're slotted into a different position? In other words, is LeBron a 90+ at small forward, and an 80+ at center? I'm thinking madden, when players ratings would fluctuate depending on what position they're subbed into.