Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

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  • rbfn04
    Rookie
    • Sep 2012
    • 90

    #106
    Originally posted by 23
    I guess it does in a more complicated way since they assess value to players but not exactly as it was brought up before.

    I also wish 2k would just release the info and not have Beds have to tip toe trying to explain the new system.

    The marketing is weird sometimes
    True. But I'm just happy it matters in a way

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    • sftusftu
      Banned
      • Sep 2014
      • 3

      #107
      Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

      So if I have two SG's with identical attributes but one is a "Defensive" and the other is "3PT" they will produce two different overalls?

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      • Leftos
        NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
        • Oct 2010
        • 1255

        #108
        Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

        Originally posted by sftusftu
        So if I have two SG's with identical attributes but one is a "Defensive" and the other is "3PT" they will produce two different overalls?
        If they have identical attributes they'll have the same player type. You can't customize it this year, it's dynamically determined by the attributes and the overall formulas.
        Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
        NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
        Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
        Novato, CA, USA

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        • stillfeelme
          MVP
          • Aug 2010
          • 2407

          #109
          Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

          Originally posted by Leftos
          If they have identical attributes they'll have the same player type. You can't customize it this year, it's dynamically determined by the attributes and the overall formulas.
          What about the draft class scouting or in college Euroleague etc. are players designated in the class by certain types defensive stopper, rebounder? If you say it changes as you play I can see that though.

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          • Toaster
            Rookie
            • Sep 2002
            • 382

            #110
            Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

            This sounds pretty well thought out, but let me re-phrase my earlier qustion:
            Does the AI take into account secondary roles as well. eg:

            Player A:
            84 Overall as "3Pt specialist SG"
            and next up for him is 72 as ""pass first PG"

            How will the AI value him as compared to a player with a player who is:

            Player B:
            81 Overall as "pass first PG"
            and next up for him is 80 as "3Pt specialist SG"

            also, when assigning plays, does the AI acknowledge secondary skills?
            e.g.

            Will Player B also get plays for a 3pt shooter despite having a higher OVR as a "pass first PG"?

            Cheers

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            • Leftos
              NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
              • Oct 2010
              • 1255

              #111
              Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

              Play Types (notice that I'm not talking about Player Types) are separate aspects and editable, and have been for quite a few years now. As far as team-building, yes, the AI will not be blinded by just the overall or the player-type but it will look at specific skill subsets too, as I mentioned.
              Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
              NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
              Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
              Novato, CA, USA

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              • LorenzoDC
                MVP
                • Sep 2010
                • 1857

                #112
                Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                Originally posted by Leftos
                If they have identical attributes they'll have the same player type. You can't customize it this year, it's dynamically determined by the attributes and the overall formulas.

                Leftos, what can you say about player tendencies as they accompany player rating, and by extension, roster construction?

                I'm assuming tendencies will more or less match the profiles of the type or archetype of player, correct? And when CPU AI is assembling its roster, will it also be able to work with player types/roles so that there's a balance among player tendencies across the roster?

                I'm thinking of how in the past people used to have to edit player tendencies for sim stats to be right, for shots per game, rebounding, blocking, etc. Or maybe all of this is fixed within the sim engine?

                Also, this may be beyond what you can discuss, but last year dynamic gameplay would alter team/player tendencies/ratings with the momentum engine, often leading to way too many PIP without CPU tendency and attribute slider adjustments. Can you talk at all about that this year, or is that too much of a gameplay issue?

                Thanks again for all you're doing, and for engaging the questions here.



                Thanks.

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                • NINJAK2
                  *S *dd*ct
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 6185

                  #113
                  Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                  I really hope consistency ratings play a bigger part in player performance/overall formula on the court in 2k as well. Guys like JR Smith who are highly athletic can often dominate in 2k when his real life counterpart who is blessed with those same skills can suffer from inconsistency and routinely underperform..
                  Last edited by NINJAK2; 09-05-2014, 07:12 PM.
                  EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                  • The Lob Mob
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                    • Aug 2005
                    • 824

                    #114
                    Ok... So how is this going to work in MyCareer? It seems like everyone can just choose all-around.
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                    • Leftos
                      NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 1255

                      #115
                      Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                      Originally posted by The Lob Mob
                      Ok... So how is this going to work in MyCareer? It seems like everyone can just choose all-around.
                      I've answered this already.

                      Originally posted by Leftos
                      You can't customize it this year, it's dynamically determined by the attributes and the overall formulas.
                      Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
                      NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                      Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                      Novato, CA, USA

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                      • kolanji
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 872

                        #116
                        Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                        Hey Leftos am guessing this has no effect on team ratings?????


                        Am guessing it is still the same .....right?
                        Humans fear what they dont understand, hate what they cant concur i guess its just the theory of man

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                        • Leftos
                          NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1255

                          #117
                          Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                          Well... The overall team rating depends on the team's players' overall ratings... So... yes?
                          Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
                          NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                          Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                          Novato, CA, USA

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                          • 8KB24
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 2106

                            #118
                            Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                            Originally posted by Leftos
                            I've answered this already.
                            So..is MyCareer creating a player like in past versions or will this year be like old Madden with points and you give yourself attributes?

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                            • I Djm
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 1297

                              #119
                              Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                              Originally posted by 8KB24
                              So..is MyCareer creating a player like in past versions or will this year be like old Madden with points and you give yourself attributes?
                              Probably like madden
                              Hand Down,Man Down

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                              • kolanji
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 872

                                #120
                                Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

                                Leftos I know u said each position has a set of archetypes.....but what about players that plays more than one position and does this well( eg lebron,durant).....is this also considered by the new formula??????


                                Sorry if this was already asked
                                Last edited by kolanji; 09-05-2014, 07:39 PM.
                                Humans fear what they dont understand, hate what they cant concur i guess its just the theory of man

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