Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

[The Lob Mob]

Thanks for the response Leftos I hadn't seen your response until right after I asked the question... My question is, if their is some type of 'crew' mode in next gen.. Let's say the team that drafts me (a PF) in MyCareer requires me to be more of a post offensive player & run the offense through me.. & the 'crew' I play with online, for the sake of simplicity let's call this 'crew' The Lob Mob... This crew requires you to be a rim protector & grab rebounds, get tip ins, & pass.. Let's also say that your attributes are more suited for the latter; do you have two different OVRs? Is your 'Lob Mob' (crew) rating higher than your MyCareer? Also (this may have been asked) do 'Player Tendencies' effect player rating/player type... Seems it would make sense that a high 3pt tendency & an athletic SF would high alley oop CATCH tendency... Make sense?

[bedwardsroy19]

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Thanks for the response Leftos I hadn't seen your response until right after I asked the question... My question is, if their is some type of 'crew' mode in next gen.. Let's say the team that drafts me (a PF) in MyCareer requires me to be more of a post offensive player & run the offense through me.. & the 'crew' I play with online, for the sake of simplicity let's call this 'crew' The Lob Mob... This crew requires you to be a rim protector & grab rebounds, get tip ins, & pass.. Let's also say that your attributes are more suited for the latter; do you have two different OVRs? Is your 'Lob Mob' (crew) rating higher than your MyCareer? Also (this may have been asked) do 'Player Tendencies' effect player rating/player type... Seems it would make sense that a high 3pt tendency & an athletic SF would high alley oop CATCH tendency... Make sense?

This thread was created to add some perspective on how overalls are calculated in the game now and to help the community understand why some of the player overalls that are being released might seem higher than past games.

Let's try to keep it on that subject..

[The Lob Mob]

Re: Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

This thread was created to add some perspective on how overalls are calculated in the game now and to help the community understand why some of the player overalls that are being released might seem higher than past games.

Let's try to keep it on that subject..

Ok, I understand.

[Sundown]

Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained

Play Types (notice that I'm not talking about Player Types) are separate aspects and editable, and have been for quite a few years now. As far as team-building, yes, the AI will not be blinded by just the overall or the player-type but it will look at specific skill subsets too, as I mentioned.

Wow. This could be very interesting to see what the AI GMs come up with if it works. Evaluation of the player's skills and then giving him that type makes absolutely more sense (though I'm curious how this affects starting MyPlayers and if everyone starts out the same).

The only caveat is that there are players who don't play to their strengths and rather their weaknesses (like Josh Smith chucking from outside and being played out of position depressing his value). It'd be interesting if tendencies that are mismatched for their skills or efficiency and role also affected OVR negatively or factored into what archetype they are assigned and are judged by.

[thedream2k13]

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Thanks for the response Leftos I hadn't seen your response until right after I asked the question... My question is, if their is some type of 'crew' mode in next gen.. Let's say the team that drafts me (a PF) in MyCareer requires me to be more of a post offensive player & run the offense through me.. & the 'crew' I play with online, for the sake of simplicity let's call this 'crew' The Lob Mob... This crew requires you to be a rim protector & grab rebounds, get tip ins, & pass.. Let's also say that your attributes are more suited for the latter; do you have two different OVRs? Is your 'Lob Mob' (crew) rating higher than your MyCareer? Also (this may have been asked) do 'Player Tendencies' effect player rating/player type... Seems it would make sense that a high 3pt tendency & an athletic SF would high alley oop CATCH tendency... Make sense?

Somehow I knew this would come up lol. Tendencies will be discussed later I hope and to keep mods off your back don't bring up crew mode

[Real2KInsider]

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The only caveat is that there are players who don't play to their strengths and rather their weaknesses (like Josh Smith chucking from outside and being played out of position depressing his value). It'd be interesting if tendencies that are mismatched for their skills or efficiency and role also affected OVR negatively or factored into what archetype they are assigned and are judged by.

That's not a necessary addition, just something that will over-complicate things. It will work for an extreme case like Josh Smith but it just serves to needlessly muddle the waters for the other 400 NBA players.

Omer Asik had his production depressed playing out of position next to Dwight Howard but that didn't stop teams from considering him a starting-caliber center.

Overall rating does not determine simulation results and stats, nor does it affect actual games played. No reason for tendencies to affect it.

[KobeBean8]

Revamped Overall Formula for NBA 2K15 Player Ratings Explained



These kind of threads shows what OS is all about.

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That's not a necessary addition, just something that will over-complicate things. It will work for an extreme case like Josh Smith but it just serves to needlessly muddle the waters for the other 400 NBA players.

Omer Asik had his production depressed playing out of position next to Dwight Howard but that didn't stop teams from considering him a starting-caliber center.

Overall rating does not determine simulation results and stats, nor does it affect actual games played. No reason for tendencies to affect it.

You seem to be a bit more in line with what Beds is doing... is that about right, well with as much as we know so far?

[demencia_total]

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Let me just say that even though I don't agree with everything you guys are saying, I think the team is outdoing itself this year by reaching out to the community (by adding members of the community to the team nonetheless). We need thinkers like these figuring out how to work these aspects of the game and with that, it will ensure the future of the series for many years to come. Much respect.

[bedwardsroy19]

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Let me just say that even though I don't agree with everything you guys are saying, I think the team is outdoing itself this year by reaching out to the community (by adding members of the community to the team nonetheless). We need thinkers like these figuring out how to work these aspects of the game and with that, it will ensure the future of the series for many years to come. Much respect.

And as a former community member, I do spend a great amount of time on the forums and I read EVERYTHING. Whether it is constructive criticism, praise, or not so constructive criticism, I think it is important for the community to know that your feedback is valued. This team has that mindset for sure

[RedSceptile]

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Bed, will MyCareer creation be like past versions or like old Madden where you chose a position and has, let's say 4000 SP to spend on your attributes?

Come on man this topic ain't about MyCareer that's gonna get its own soon enough.

[Sundown]

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That's not a necessary addition, just something that will over-complicate things. It will work for an extreme case like Josh Smith but it just serves to needlessly muddle the waters for the other 400 NBA players.

Omer Asik had his production depressed playing out of position next to Dwight Howard but that didn't stop teams from considering him a starting-caliber center.

Overall rating does not determine simulation results and stats, nor does it affect actual games played. No reason for tendencies to affect it.

OVR does affect AI trades and team building as well as contracts. That said, I'm okay with having it based just on their skills if we presume GMs understand context if a player is playing out of position or used poorly.

However, tendencies absolutely affect efficiency and on-court value in real life. Long 2 chucking Monta Ellis isn't the same as 2nd banana Monta Ellis who takes less outside 2's. That both affected his contribution, performance, advanced stats (a way better measure than raw stats) and ultimately his contract.

The difference is knowing whether the tendencies *are* the player or are because of the context. The two are obviously related but there are guys with poor tendencies for years and not all players play to their strengths and abilities. Tendencies are integral to real life player evaluation and they should ideally be reflected in some way unless they can be normalized by context.

[STLRams]

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So here's a question. Has this new rating formula been implemented to the classic teams/players also? Curious to see what Jordan's or Magic Johnson ratings would be?

Was this question ever touched on?

[Boilerbuzz]

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Was this question ever touched on?

Why would it NOT be? Haven't 2 different systems is not a smart way to do these things. No, offense, but I would think the answer was obvious, honestly.