NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

Davis
26.5 PER - 4th in NBA
10.4 WS in 67 games - 14th in NBA (.212 WS/48 - 7th in NBA)
58 TS% on 25 USG%
8 AST%
10 ORB%
23 DRB%
2.0 STL%
6.7 BLK% - 1st in NBA

Duncan
21.3 PER
7.4 WS in 74 games (.164 WS/48)
54 TS% on 25 USG%
16 AST%
9 ORB%
28 DRB%
1.0 STL%
4.6 BLK%

Duncan has a ton of help with three all-star caliber teammates and a deep bench. Davis' top teammate Tyreke Davis would be the 5th best player on the Spurs.

Synergy Defense

Davis
100% Overall 0.84
32% Post 0.81
31% Spot 0.97
17% Iso 0.73
13% Roll 0.79
3% On-Ball PNR 0.80

Duncan
100% Overall 0.82
41% Post 0.79
23% Spot 0.83
21% Roll 0.79
12% Iso 0.97
0% On-Ball PNR N/A (seriously, not even one possession through season & playoffs)

Duncan is better equipped to guard centers but that's because he is a "power forward" in name only. Davis guards a wider array of players while Duncan is limited to the post and is too slow to guard any PF with a shred of athletic ability.

Either way, they are in the same tier defensively, very good but not elite.

Synergy Offense

Davis
100% Overall 1.05
19% Roll 1.12
14% Post 0.88
13% OffReb 1.27
13% Spot 0.79
11% Iso 0.87
10% Cut 1.24
9% Transition 1.53 (4th in NBA)
6% Screen 0.92

Duncan
100% Overall 0.95
31% Post 0.93
21% Roll 0.94
15% Cut 1.21
11% Spot 0.77
8% OffReb 1.27
5% Transition 1.18
2% Iso 0.64

On-ball Offense (PnR Ball Handler, Post, Iso)
Davis: 25% of Offense, 0.88 PPP
Duncan: 34% of Offense, 0.90 PPP

Davis is vastly better in the pick and roll and transition due to his superior athleticism.
Duncan is better with the ball in his hands but his advantage is not so large that it cancels out the other two-thirds of offense that Davis is either just as good or better at.

Who is the 4th all - star caliber player on the Spurs? From my estimation the team only has 3 (Parker, Leonard & Duncan) such players.

I think Davis will definitely be the better player, if he isn't already, by season's end but I think everyone is actually understating the impact Duncan had last year. Parker, Leonard, Green, Splitter and Ginobili all missed significant time this past season while Parker, Green and Leonard - to be honest Duncan too - struggled to find their offensive rhythm through parts of the season. Davis also has struggled with staying healthy and on the court.

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[Real2KInsider]

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No, there is a big difference because both Wade and Nowitzki have lost a bit do to age while Duncan has rediscovered his game after a 2 or 3 year slump.

Dirk literally had his best season since the 2011 championship season.

Duncan was All-NBA 1st team last year in the "rejuvenation" year that you mention, but he slipped back this year and posted the worst statistical season of his career.

PER (Change from 2013)
26.9 Kevin Love (+9.0)
26.5 Anthony Davis (+4.8)
26.1 DeMarcus Cousins (+5.9)
23.9 Blake Griffin (+1.5)
23.6 Dirk Nowitzki (+3.8)
22.7 Al Jefferson (+1.8)
22.6 Andre Drummond (+1.0)
21.8 LaMarcus Aldridge (+1.4)
21.3 Dwight Howard (+1.9)
21.3 Tim Duncan (-3.1)
20.0 Joakim Noah (+1.9)

You might notice Duncan is the only one of the league's top bigs whose arrow moved in the wrong direction which makes the idea of him as a top 4 player a stretch, regardless of how valuable his intangibles arguably are.

PER isn't the end all-be all but it's clear that he isn't relied on anywhere close to as heavily as other bigs. The coaches did not name Duncan an All-Star or select him to an All-NBA team - a far cry from his First team status in 2013. Duncan finished TWELFTH in MVP voting. There was a reason for all of this. If he's really 4th in rating behind SUPERSTARS who contribute 20 wins to their team by their lonesome (LeBron, Durant, Paul) that is frankly a mistake.

The Spurs win because of incredible depth. Not because one individual has a game-breaking impact (though that was certainly the case from 1999-2007).

[Real2KInsider]

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Who is the 4th all - star caliber player on the Spurs? From my estimation the team only has 3 (Parker, Leonard & Duncan) such players.

Ginobili, obviously.

[ojandpizza]

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Duncan played 33 minutes per game during the playoffs. He's just not the same "team carrying" dominant player he once was.. He's still great obviously, and still does lots of things well, but it's hard to put him ahead of guys who are focal point players and borderline dominant, while he's basically regressed to playing off of Parker, to an extent even Kawhi.

Obviously he does lots of things well, we can say he passes better than someone like Davis, but he can't play the passing lanes like Davis or Blake and get a steal, beat everyone up the court and score.. For every area Duncan is ahead of those guys on they are equally ahead of him in another.. While still being 20+ and 10+ focal point players..

The way you described Duncan's skills should make someone like Marc Gasol equally rated to him.

I'm going to assume all of the IQ ratings give him quite a large boost on his overall


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[turty11]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

did someone just call turnobli all-star caliber?

bruh....this aint 2010

you also put way to much stock into PER imo

--like i said, duncans IQ gets him the 90...hes not even the best player on his team

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

did someone just call turnobli all-star caliber?

bruh....this aint 2010

you also put way to much stock into PER imo

--like i said, duncans IQ gets him the 90...hes not even the best player on his team

I know that you feel Kawhi is the best player on the team, but either Duncan (my pick) or Parker would get that nod. Kawhi hasn't been entrusted with enough offensive responsibility to be considered the #1 guy. Kawhi is definitely going to be surely, though.

Tony ' s defense was lackluster last year as well, so Duncan would get the nod by default, IMHO.

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[Sundown]

NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

Kobe carried the team to the playoffs and got injured while he was dropping 30+/x/8+ every game for a while. He hasn't played only the last season, different from Rose, who hasn't player for two whole seasons.

i think too that he shouldnt be 90, but for this new system that clearly counts a lot on how the team uses the player to roll, he should be 85-86, minimum.

What Kobe did before the injury is completely different from how he'll be after the injury. A blown achilles is huge. It's also lost vertical. He's also suffering durability issues and played only a handful of games due to the broken leg.

The rating isn't how a team uses a player. It's how valuable a player is based on his best suited type.

We at least know Rose has most of his athleticism. It's more his rust right now. We have no idea what Kobe is. 85 is pretty generous and he's at a stage where he shouldn't be much higher than that even when healthy.

[The 24th Letter]

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Duncan definitely can't carry every night any more...but some of these young guys still haven't figured out how to do this in a clutch situation:

http://youtu.be/DwhW0qSm5zI

[Real2KInsider]

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did someone just call turnobli all-star caliber?

bruh....this aint 2010

you also put way to much stock into PER imo

You are probably not putting enough.

23.5 Harden (All-NBA 1st)
22.0 Wade (All-NBA 3rd)
21.4 Dragic (All-NBA 3rd) - can be considered either guard position
20.0 Ginobili
18.5 DeRozan (All-Star)
17.3 Crawford (6th man of year)

Behold, the only SGs in the NBA w/ PER > 17.

Spurs Playoffs
21.1 Duncan (3.2 WS)
20.3 Ginobili (2.2 WS)
19.1 Splitter (2.6 WS)
18.7 Leonard (2.9 WS)
16.5 Green (1.9 WS)
16.2 Mills (1.1 WS)
15.8 Parker (1.1 WS)
15.3 Diaw (2.0 WS)
11.0 Belinelli (0.8 WS)
8.8 Bonner (0.3 WS)

You can argue the semantics if you like, but it's very obvious he played a large role at a high level for a championship team. He is the best backup player in the league and with all due respect to Crawford it's not particularly close.

[turty11]

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you can throw me PER all you want, im not sure id even call him a top 10 SG

[Real2KInsider]

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you can throw me PER all you want, im not sure id even call him a top 10 SG

Okay. You have fun playing devil's advocate taking Monta Ellis, Joe Johnson, and Eric Gordon over a two-way player who has never stopped producing for an elite team.

[dmann1oo]

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In summary, I don't put Duncan ahead of younger franchise players like Love, Davis, or even Blake Griffin. Duncan's offense just isn't elite anymore (ONLY in the post). It's not a knock on Duncan to say that Love/Davis/Griffin not to mention Howard/Dirk/Aldridge could win a championship if they had the Spurs core behind them.

Operation sports needs to drug test you before you reply to a post cause your on something

[worm91]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

Maybe a championship ring is +1 to overall haha

[Andarus]

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Who cares about Ratings, I will use my own Ratings. I will give Duncan around ~82/83, DWade around 77/78 and Kobe 79/80 and definitly nerf Harden/Howard and give Rose 0 Durabilty.

[Pizarro24]

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you can throw me PER all you want, im not sure id even call him a top 10 SG

It´s not only PER and WS.
I don´t know how familiar you are with stats like RAPM (Regularized Adjusted Plus Minus) or SPM (Statistical Plus Minus), but Manu is always high in those stats too (as is Duncan).

And when you read all those stats correctly it simply means one thing:
the Spurs are a better team wirh Duncan and/or Ginobili on the court.

So I think Manu is very underrated by many people, as is the impact that Duncan still has on the Spurs.