NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

[thedream2k13]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

Who cares about Ratings, I will use my own Ratings. I will give Duncan around ~82/83, DWade around 77/78 and Kobe 79/80 and definitly nerf Harden/Howard and give Rose 0 Durabilty.

You gonna have horrible rosters with all the excessive ratings decreases

[Sundown]

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It´s not only PER and WS.
I don´t know how familiar you are with stats like RAPM (Regularized Adjusted Plus Minus) or SPM (Statistical Plus Minus), but Manu is always high in those stats too (as is Duncan).

And when you read all those stats correctly it simply means one thing:
the Spurs are a better team wirh Duncan and/or Ginobili on the court.

So I think Manu is very underrated by many people, as is the impact that Duncan still has on the Spurs.

I definitely like RAPM better than PER. Only thing is it's rather noisy and is also a better measure of how a player is performing in his role than individual performance in all contexts. While it seeks to filter out the influence of other players on raw +/-, it doesn't filter out how those other players affect a player's own performance. That's an even bigger issue when a player mainly shares minutes with certain other players.

It's definitely a good stat for spotting things missed by the eye test or raw stats though-- a high RAPM suggests a player is doing something very right despite stat lines (Iggy is the textbook example here) and should be a clue when building rosters.

[ojandpizza]

NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

It´s not only PER and WS.

I don´t know how familiar you are with stats like RAPM (Regularized Adjusted Plus Minus) or SPM (Statistical Plus Minus), but Manu is always high in those stats too (as is Duncan).



And when you read all those stats correctly it simply means one thing:

the Spurs are a better team wirh Duncan and/or Ginobili on the court.



So I think Manu is very underrated by many people, as is the impact that Duncan still has on the Spurs.

These stats mean little to nothing when you are only playing 20 minutes per game and scoring 12 points..

He's still a very talented player, any basketball fan obviously knows that, but he's no longer giving all star production or value, plain and simple.

Edit: obviously he has a huge impact for the Spurs, but would he have that same impact elsewhere? Being valuable to one team doesn't equate to being and All-Star caliber player league wide.. Remember Diaw also played a huge role for the team, as well as Green.

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[Pizarro24]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

I definitely like RAPM better than PER. Only thing is it's rather noisy and is also a better measure of how a player is performing in his role than individual performance in all contexts. While it seeks to filter out the influence of other players on raw +/-, it doesn't filter out how those other players affect a player's own performance. That's an even bigger issue when a player mainly shares minutes with certain other players.

It's definitely a good stat for spotting things missed by the eye test or raw stats though-- a high RAPM suggests a player is doing something very right despite stat lines (Iggy is the textbook example here) and should be a clue when building rosters.

You sir are absolutely right.
Of course, there isn´t a "perfect" stat out there, the one that show us how to rank the players.
But there are a few good out there (PER, WS, RAPM, SPM and all those other advanced stats) and if a player is decent or good at everyone of these, I think this shows that he is a good player.

These stats mean little to nothing when you are only playing 20 minutes per game and scoring 12 points..

He's still a very talented player, any basketball fan obviously knows that, but he's no longer giving all star production or value, plain and simple.

Edit: obviously he has a huge impact for the Spurs, but would he have that same impact elsewhere? Being valuable to one team doesn't equate to being and All-Star caliber player league wide.. Remember Diaw also played a huge role for the team, as well as Green.

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Nobody said Manu is an all-star or something like that.
But fact is, his impact on the Spurs is huge, when you consider all those stats it seems he is one of the two best players on the Spurs roster (with Duncan being the other one).

And that´s what Basketball is all about in my opinion, you have to help your team to win games and that´s what Ginobili does.


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Edit: obviously he has a huge impact for the Spurs, but would he have that same impact elsewhere? Being valuable to one team doesn't equate to being and All-Star caliber player league wide.. Remember Diaw also played a huge role for the team, as well as Green.

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There was a discussion in another thread, where users said they would love that a player rating depends on the team, the coach and the system he is playing for.
I think something like that is very hard to programme in a videogame.

As far as Ginobili goes: yes, I think he would be very productive on any team, because he´s a smart player with great skills.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

Operation sports needs to drug test you before you reply to a post cause your on something

If people wonder why I used to be a vicious A-hole around here...

[dfghsty]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

Don't flame me spurs fans lol, but Tim Duncan is not the 4th best all around player in the league.

[ffaacc03]

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Overall rating is no longer about ranking the players by their overall contribution but more so by a specific role (defense, rebounding, outside shooting, etc) ... plus, we dont know the full extend of the new ratings and tendencies that were introduced nor their impact within each role.

Now, what I would love to know is how do some of the leaked new ratings and tendencies translate into gameplay and simmed stats ...

[ojandpizza]

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You sir are absolutely right.

Of course, there isn´t a "perfect" stat out there, the one that show us how to rank the players.

But there are a few good out there (PER, WS, RAPM, SPM and all those other advanced stats) and if a player is decent or good at everyone of these, I think this shows that he is a good player.







Nobody said Manu is an all-star or something like that.

But fact is, his impact on the Spurs is huge, when you consider all those stats it seems he is one of the two best players on the Spurs roster (with Duncan being the other one).



And that´s what Basketball is all about in my opinion, you have to help your team to win games and that´s what Ginobili does.

One of the two best players.. So where does that leave Parker and Kawhi?

I guess those advanced stats don't show all value considering Kawhi was the finals MVP, he was the one defending the best player alive, etc.


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[turty11]

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yall on some stuff lol.. this thread is mad rofl.


im a fan of stats..big time..but i do like my eye tests. i dont have 20/20 for nothing.

ginobli is a slighlty above average player at this stage of his career. (at best he is the 4th best player on his team.)

turnobli for a reason bruh

[eko718]

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This is not on topic with the SPURS, but it is regarding ratings. The Cavaliers are the #2 rated team overall, 1st in offense and 4th in defense. I see a serious issue with this. Something is very wrong with their individual defensive ratings if this, one of the worst defensive teams in the league last year, can catapult to 4th in this game via the additions of Lebron and Marion(because Love certainly DETRACTS from that equation).

Kyrie and Waiters are poor on-ball defenders, Varajeo, Love and Thompson are respectively amongst the worst rim protecting big men in the NBA. Does the team defense rating include rebounding? That's the only reasonable explanation I can see here. 2K needs to expand team ratings like they expanded individual ratings.

The Spurs, OKC, Memphis, Bulls, Indiana, Charlotte, Miami, Toronto and Washington are all known as defensive teams (Miami even before Lebron, and Indiana though w/out PG has a defensive identity). Cleveland doesn't even have an identity yet and they are amongst the top in the league in both offense and defense... this will be the first thing I thoroughly examine.

[Real2KInsider]

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ginobli is a slighlty above average player at this stage of his career. (at best he is the 4th best player on his team.)

That doesn't mean he isn't a top SG in the league.
He's the 4th best player on the Spurs and would be the 2nd best player on many others.

[turty11]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

That doesn't mean he isn't a top SG in the league.
He's the 4th best player on the Spurs and would be the 2nd best player on many others.

just off the top of my head i can name 8 guys better than him but i aint bout to have this convo with you and get banned.


@eko, that 4th in defense for cavs scares the living crap out of me

[stillfeelme]

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This is not on topic with the SPURS, but it is regarding ratings. The Cavaliers are the #2 rated team overall, 1st in offense and 4th in defense. I see a serious issue with this. Something is very wrong with their individual defensive ratings if this, one of the worst defensive teams in the league last year, can catapult to 4th in this game via the additions of Lebron and Marion(because Love certainly DETRACTS from that equation).

Kyrie and Waiters are poor on-ball defenders, Varajeo, Love and Thompson are respectively amongst the worst rim protecting big men in the NBA. Does the team defense rating include rebounding? That's the only reasonable explanation I can see here. 2K needs to expand team ratings like they expanded individual ratings.

The Spurs, OKC, Memphis, Bulls, Indiana, Charlotte, Miami, Toronto and Washington are all known as defensive teams (Miami even before Lebron, and Indiana though w/out PG has a defensive identity). Cleveland doesn't even have an identity yet and they are amongst the top in the league in both offense and defense... this will be the first thing I thoroughly examine.

You would be surprised at what the coach rating can do to swing the overall team ranking.

I never knew what it meant to overall ratings or actual gameplay. I actually thought it only played a role to make sure when you sim games the right highly ranked team gets the better record. The team overall ranking is a black box like the individual overall rating that they never really explained.

Example the last time when the Sixers went to the playoffs they were winning games. They changed Doug Collins coaching rating for offense or defense and they went up without touching any player stats.

[ojandpizza]

Re: NBA 2K15 - Spurs Ratings

This is not on topic with the SPURS, but it is regarding ratings. The Cavaliers are the #2 rated team overall, 1st in offense and 4th in defense. I see a serious issue with this. Something is very wrong with their individual defensive ratings if this, one of the worst defensive teams in the league last year, can catapult to 4th in this game via the additions of Lebron and Marion(because Love certainly DETRACTS from that equation).

Kyrie and Waiters are poor on-ball defenders, Varajeo, Love and Thompson are respectively amongst the worst rim protecting big men in the NBA. Does the team defense rating include rebounding? That's the only reasonable explanation I can see here. 2K needs to expand team ratings like they expanded individual ratings.

The Spurs, OKC, Memphis, Bulls, Indiana, Charlotte, Miami, Toronto and Washington are all known as defensive teams (Miami even before Lebron, and Indiana though w/out PG has a defensive identity). Cleveland doesn't even have an identity yet and they are amongst the top in the league in both offense and defense... this will be the first thing I thoroughly examine.

I'm with you I could see it being a problem, until we actually see them play anyways.. On paper they don't appear to be a top for 4..

But, Love definitely doesn't "detract" from last years defense, because they didn't give up anything from last years core to get him.


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[Real2KInsider]

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just off the top of my head i can name 8 guys better than him but i aint bout to have this convo with you and get banned.

....Right.