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  • Real2KInsider
    MVP
    • Dec 2003
    • 4657

    #76
    Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

    Originally posted by Da_Czar

    I wish marketing would have given game-play a bit more shine but it is what it is.

    LOL Chris secretly reps Arcade Nation
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    • vannwolfhawk
      MVP
      • Jun 2009
      • 3412

      #77
      Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

      Originally posted by Hot Kidd
      What is the difference between a flex offense and a swing offense?

      Ive always been taught they are the same thing
      They are different but very similar. The flex is a continuity offense that utilizes back screens and is a timing offense. The basic flex has 3 guys (triangle) on 1 side of floor and 2 on the weak side all spaced. There are tons of quick hitters or variations you can run out of the flex though. But the basic flex has set rules and you can run it with either down screens or back screens.

      The common areas between both is they both always have a triangle on the strong side and both are a 4 out 1 in offense. They both also have all 5 players that can end up on the inside and outside in all positions on the floor. The original set up is a bit different and spacing is a bit higher in the swing offense though. In the swing you will see back screens, flares, and weak side interchanges a bit more as well as more ball screens.

      Both have continuity and some same basic principles and can look the same depending on reads or calls you make within the play itself. Though somewhat similar in areas they are also very different. You could also say the same thing and see some common areas with the triangle too depending how you run it.



      Edit: here is a link of basic motion offenses and you can see the basic differences between the two... http://www.hoopsu.com/basketball-pla...-offense-sets/
      Last edited by vannwolfhawk; 10-03-2014, 11:26 PM.
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      • raiderphantom
        MVP
        • Jul 2012
        • 1537

        #78
        Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

        Looks great. I'd just like to know if it's implemented into old gen as well or was it omitted?
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        • vannwolfhawk
          MVP
          • Jun 2009
          • 3412

          #79
          Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

          Originally posted by Rashidi
          LOL Chris secretly reps Arcade Nation
          Definitely a little bit of cheese in his game. Lol
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          • gamingsinceatari
            Rookie
            • Oct 2011
            • 138

            #80
            Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

            Im posting this in here cause it seems like there are REAL hoop heads in here.

            All the new categories in the player's ratings was posted earlier and im trying to figure out what they actually mean.

            PnR Defense IQ
            Help Defense IQ
            Pass Perception

            I have an idea about them but not 100% sure. Does a high rating PNR defense IQ mean you won't get caught up on the pick as much? Does Help defense IQ mean determine how quick you help on defense? And what about Pass Perception, does that control if you will be good or bad at intercepting passes?

            If anyone has an idea please let me know what you think?
            Last edited by gamingsinceatari; 10-03-2014, 11:31 PM.

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            • vannwolfhawk
              MVP
              • Jun 2009
              • 3412

              #81
              Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

              Originally posted by gamingsinceatari
              Im posting this in here cause it seems like there are REAL hoop heads in here.

              All the new categories in the player's ratings was posted earlier and im trying to figure out what they actually mean.

              PnR Defense IQ
              Help Defense IQ
              Pass Perception

              I have an idea about them but not 100% sure. Does a high rating PNR defense IQ mean you won't get caught up on the pick as much? Does Help defense IQ mean determine how quick you help on defense? And what about Pass Perception, does that control if you will be good or bad at intercepting passes?

              If anyone has an idea please let me know what you think?
              Your breakdown is what I would assume as well but just like POE's I'd love a dev to break it all down for us because what it says and how it's coded to play in game could be 2 totally different things then what you would think.
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              • raiderphantom
                MVP
                • Jul 2012
                • 1537

                #82
                Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                Originally posted by gamingsinceatari
                Im posting this in here cause it seems like there are REAL hoop heads in here.

                All the new categories in the player's ratings was posted earlier and im trying to figure out what they actually mean.

                PnR Defense IQ
                Help Defense IQ
                Pass Perception

                I have an idea about them but not 100% sure. Does a high rating PNR defense IQ mean you won't get caught up on the pick as much? Does Help defense IQ mean determine how quick you help on defense? And what about Pass Perception, does that control if you will be good or bad at intercepting passes?

                If anyone has an idea please let me know what you think?
                Wow I missed that. I would think PnR D IQ would determine if TE player executes the defense correctly, meaning are they in the proper position. Will a big hedge or not or will a guard know whether to go over/under a screen etc.

                Help D IQ probably has to do with how active a help defender is when there are defensive breakdowns and whether he knows when to help and when to stay at home.

                Pass perception? You got me. Maybe how well a player gets in the passing lanes? Or how aware a player is of passes near him?

                These sound like great additions.
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                • gamingsinceatari
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 138

                  #83
                  Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                  Originally posted by raiderphantom
                  Wow I missed that. I would think PnR D IQ would determine if TE player executes the defense correctly, meaning are they in the proper position. Will a big hedge or not or will a guard know whether to go over/under a screen etc.

                  Help D IQ probably has to do with how active a help defender is when there are defensive breakdowns and whether he knows when to help and when to stay at home.

                  Pass perception? You got me. Maybe how well a player gets in the passing lanes? Or how aware a player is of passes near him?

                  These sound like great additions.

                  Thanks, i think most of what you said was spot on. Im excited about these new ratings. Would love if a dev or even Czar weighed in on this.

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                  • Smirkin Dirk
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5179

                    #84
                    Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                    Originally posted by vannwolfhawk
                    They are different but very similar. The flex is a continuity offense that utilizes back screens and is a timing offense. The basic flex has 3 guys (triangle) on 1 side of floor and 2 on the weak side all spaced. There are tons of quick hitters or variations you can run out of the flex though. But the basic flex has set rules and you can run it with either down screens or back screens.

                    The common areas between both is they both always have a triangle on the strong side and both are a 4 out 1 in offense. They both also have all 5 players that can end up on the inside and outside in all positions on the floor. The original set up is a bit different and spacing is a bit higher in the swing offense though. In the swing you will see back screens, flares, and weak side interchanges a bit more as well as more ball screens.

                    Both have continuity and some same basic principles and can look the same depending on reads or calls you make within the play itself. Though somewhat similar in areas they are also very different. You could also say the same thing and see some common areas with the triangle too depending how you run it.



                    Edit: here is a link of basic motion offenses and you can see the basic differences between the two... http://www.hoopsu.com/basketball-pla...-offense-sets/

                    Thank you, I really appreciate the response.
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                    • ch46647
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 3515

                      #85
                      Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                      Hi Czar- These changes to offense sound phenomenal!

                      Two quick questions as I am new to NBA 2K.

                      1. I realized a lot of the plays in NBA 2K14 (Next-Gen) seemed to be broken. Since you went in an completely re-wrote all the plays I assume they will work as intended this year?

                      2. Is the AI coded to run more plays this year? I did not notice the AI teams running plays very often on next-gen 2K14. (This could be because many of them were broken and did not work properly when the AI tried to use them)

                      Will the AI in 2K15 run plays more often or will they primarily use the "free lance offense"?

                      Thanks in advance! Very excited for 2k15!

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                      • STLRams
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 2847

                        #86
                        Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                        Wow Czar, reading all this improvement to the playbooks is lovely! So you guys were even able to improve the classic teams playbooks also as far as close to there real plays and the actual movement and spacing?

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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #87
                          Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                          This thread made me cry.
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                          • midwestking100
                            MVP
                            • May 2012
                            • 1561

                            #88
                            Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                            mmmm...Triangle Offense......Now I really can't wait until I run the Triangle with my '91 Bulls!!!. Thank you Czar, this is a start for better things to come. Still has room for improvement.
                            Last edited by midwestking100; 10-04-2014, 09:31 AM.

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                            • midwestking100
                              MVP
                              • May 2012
                              • 1561

                              #89
                              Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                              Improved Triangle Offense is better than nothing at all. Thank you Czar.

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                              • Smirkin Dirk
                                All Star
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 5179

                                #90
                                Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Evolution of Freelance Offense: Part 3 with Da_Czar

                                I remember saying 5 years ago that the game needs a freelance offence system, not just set plays. In my mind it was a simple thing to implement.

                                I now know better.
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