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  • Zane3490
    Pro
    • Nov 2008
    • 758

    #1756
    Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by OldHossRadbourn
    IMO you "lost" this trade.





    Not realistic in terms of the Wolves taking back Williams(they've already gotten rid of him once) and the Kings giving up Stauskas but "value" wise it seems somewhat fair. IMO you shouldn't have gotten a first rounder back, but that's pretty nitpicky.





    Pretty much a bunch of bums moving around except you losing Young. I'd say you "lost" this one only because you gave up the best player and didn't really get anything back at all of note.



    Were my trades fair and at least semi-realisitc?



    Feel free to blast away.




    Oh ok cool. So Supporting evidence is frowned upon. Got it.[/QUOTE]


    Yeah I figured I lost, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't screwing over other teams. I'm going after some free agents or trades with cap space.

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    • jayhawkfan11
      Rookie
      • Jul 2011
      • 358

      #1757
      Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by BigT34
      Who thinks that Wiggins' potential is "fairly close" to that of Anthony Davis?

      And how are you quantifying the amount of uncertainty around his potential? What model are you using?

      Both Davis and Wiggins spent a year in college--there is absolutely NO comparison between their college statistics. Davis performed at an elite level in his rookie season--Wiggins has yet to reach replacement level. Davis is currently, at the age of 21, on track to post the best PER in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the NBA, which includes peak MJ and Wilt Chamberlain. There are no words in the dictionary to accurately capture the immensity of Davis' potential--but let's just use some basic stats for comparison:

      Wiggins is a tall guy who can run fast, jump high, and is really coordinated--for that reason, he's an exciting prospect. If I had to bet, I think he'll become an outstanding NBA player. But he is, thus far, lacking in some very key areas of production that are commonly associated with NBA stardom. For that reason, it's really hard to say that he's considered "fairly close" to Davis.
      I would deeply agree with this statement. I'm a big Jayhawks fan and love to see KU players turn into something great in the NBA, but let's be a little more realistic about Wiggins potential. Yes, he is showing some glimpses of Superstar but not on a consistent enough basis to make him a guarantee.

      Davis (I hate Kentucky, but have much respect for that program) is a sure lock to be a Superstar because he has show it consistently. Not to mention the above comment about posting the higher PER EVER!!!!

      Wiggins is not a tradeable asset (realistically) but the Magic trading all those players plus the draft picks would make things fair. I wouldn't call it highway robbery if that trade went through...Unless Wiggins turns out to be the next Anthony Davis, KD, LBJ, etc. But that is a risk you have to be willing to take.

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      • OldHossRadbourn
        Rookie
        • Mar 2012
        • 453

        #1758
        Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by Reyes19
        Hold on a minute you called Harkless massive tale.. oh nvm.
        I've never called Harkless a massive talent at all.

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        • DoubleZ_3
          Pro
          • Sep 2013
          • 555

          #1759
          Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Cf3411
          Unless the Wolves get a superstar they wouldn't move Wiggins. He is 19 they wouldn't move him for Oladipo, Harris (expiring contract would leave) and gordon.

          So essentially it would be Wiggins for Oladipo and Gordon (who could be a huge bust) and a pick. Wiggins has a chance to be a once in a generation type talent and is already better than Oladipo who is older then him. Sorry you don't trade horses for ponies and that's all the magic have to offer, if they were so good why do they suck so much, and don't say same for wiggins cause he's a rookie surrounded by average at best role players. But according to you Harris, Oladipo, Gordon are all future all stars or fringe all stars and I don't see that at all, plus Harris is leaving in offseason so the best player currently would leave just makes no sense for Timberwolves.
          A 1st rounder from the magic wouldn't exactly be a 20-30 pick tho

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          • DoubleZ_3
            Pro
            • Sep 2013
            • 555

            #1760
            Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by BigT34
            LOL at the overvaluing of Andrew Wiggins here.

            He's progressed nicely as a rookie and may one day be a top-10 player, but he's still a rookie.

            Let's not forget that various draft projection models actually valued Gordon higher than Wiggins: http://www.canishoopus.com/2014/6/25...a-in-one-place

            Gordon plus Oladipo plus Harris (only 22), plus Harkless AND a first round pick? Uh, yeah, amazing deal for the TWolves.

            The fact is that there's significant uncertainty around ALL of these prospects--nobody is a Lebron or KD or Anthony Davis, not even Wiggins. Wiggins doesn't come close to any of those guys in terms of certainty around his projection--so the value in having multiple good prospects is that at least one of them will become something really good.

            Rookie stats:
            Lebron: 18.3 PER, .078 WS/48, 8.37 WARP
            Durant: 15.8 PER, 0.040 WS/48, 1.08 WARP
            Davis: 21.7 PER, 0.159 WS/48, 5.4 WARP
            Wiggins (to date): 12.8 PER, 0.028 WS/48, -0.54 WARP

            We should be clear to NOT talk about Wiggins as a sure-fire superstar. He has flashed a ton of potential, especially of late, but he doesn't compare to a guy like Davis, who posted a PER as a rookie that was better than Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Dirk Nowitzki.

            So, in short, this is FOUR above-average prospects, including one potentially elite prospect, PLUS a lottery pick, for one potentially elite prospect. Where do I sign up?
            Thank you lmao

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            • jah.volunteer
              Rookie
              • Mar 2008
              • 190

              #1761
              Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

              Is anyone else having issues with the trade screen in MyLeague? Most of the time I cannot move the cursor over to my team to adjust players/picks and also cannot slide the cursor down to offer the trade. Is this a well know issue?

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              • 8KB24
                MVP
                • Jun 2012
                • 2106

                #1762
                Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by jah.volunteer
                Is anyone else having issues with the trade screen in MyLeague? Most of the time I cannot move the cursor over to my team to adjust players/picks and also cannot slide the cursor down to offer the trade. Is this a well know issue?
                Are you on PC?

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                • JazzMan
                  SOLDIER, First Class...
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 13547

                  #1763
                  Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by DoubleZ_3
                  A 1st rounder from the magic wouldn't exactly be a 20-30 pick tho
                  Especially if they're trading the majority of their core and depth for a 19-year-old forward who is still figuring out how to score in the league.

                  That pick would net the Wolves probably a Top 5 pick.
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                  • BigT34
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 330

                    #1764
                    Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by JazzMan
                    Especially if they're trading the majority of their core and depth for a 19-year-old forward who is still figuring out how to score in the league.

                    That pick would net the Wolves probably a Top 5 pick.
                    Yep.

                    It'd be trading one potential star for a diversified pool of potential assets. That's a much better deal.

                    I'm not sure what OldHoss is overvaluing more here: Andrew Wiggins or his own opinion.

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                    • BigT34
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 330

                      #1765
                      Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by Zane3490
                      Oh ok cool. So Supporting evidence is frowned upon. Got it.

                      Yeah I figured I lost, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't screwing over other teams. I'm going after some free agents or trades with cap space.[/QUOTE]

                      Despite what OldHoss says, it strikes me that you're tanking smartly with the plan to build around your core.

                      You're getting multiple picks and freeing yourself from burdensome contracts on overpriced players. Smart.

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                      • 10
                        Trequartista
                        • Jun 2013
                        • 247

                        #1766
                        Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by JazzMan
                        Dropping an ESPN article about how a media darling has superstar potential isn't really going to help your case lol
                        I mean the guy who wrote it has worked as a personal trainer of some of the best players in the NBA for around 25 years but what would he know he's just pushing the espn agenda. Also the insider stuff is basically completely different in terms of quality
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                        • BigT34
                          Rookie
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 330

                          #1767
                          Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by GreenGiant25
                          I mean the guy who wrote it has worked as a personal trainer of some of the best players in the NBA for around 25 years but what would he know he's just pushing the espn agenda. Also the insider stuff is basically completely different in terms of quality
                          The point is not one guy's opinion.

                          The point is that there is a lot of variability in opinion about Wiggins. That was NOT true with Davis or Durant. They were loved by scouts, statistical models, and just about anyone. Their production in college and rookie season was above average--that is not true for Wiggins--with the caveat that Flip Saunders is doing him no favors.

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                          • OldHossRadbourn
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 453

                            #1768
                            Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by BigT34

                            Despite what OldHoss says, it strikes me that you're tanking smartly with the plan to build around your core.

                            You're getting multiple picks and freeing yourself from burdensome contracts on overpriced players. Smart.
                            I never said they were "dumb" moves just that value vs value he "lost" some of the trades which is why I put it in quotes. Reading is fun.

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                            • OldHossRadbourn
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 453

                              #1769
                              Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by BigT34
                              Yep.



                              I'm not sure what OldHoss is overvaluing more here: Andrew Wiggins or his own opinion.
                              I'm valuing NBA scouts above a bunch of posters on a message board.

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                              • OldHossRadbourn
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 453

                                #1770
                                Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by BigT34

                                The point is that there is a lot of variability in opinion about Wiggins. .
                                Oh good to know. Is there more or less variability with Oladipo and Gordon?

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