NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread
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Re: NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread
Who thinks that Wiggins' potential is "fairly close" to that of Anthony Davis?
And how are you quantifying the amount of uncertainty around his potential? What model are you using?
Both Davis and Wiggins spent a year in college--there is absolutely NO comparison between their college statistics. Davis performed at an elite level in his rookie season--Wiggins has yet to reach replacement level. Davis is currently, at the age of 21, on track to post the best PER in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the NBA, which includes peak MJ and Wilt Chamberlain. There are no words in the dictionary to accurately capture the immensity of Davis' potential--but let's just use some basic stats for comparison:
Wiggins is a tall guy who can run fast, jump high, and is really coordinated--for that reason, he's an exciting prospect. If I had to bet, I think he'll become an outstanding NBA player. But he is, thus far, lacking in some very key areas of production that are commonly associated with NBA stardom. For that reason, it's really hard to say that he's considered "fairly close" to Davis.
Davis (I hate Kentucky, but have much respect for that program) is a sure lock to be a Superstar because he has show it consistently. Not to mention the above comment about posting the higher PER EVER!!!!
Wiggins is not a tradeable asset (realistically) but the Magic trading all those players plus the draft picks would make things fair. I wouldn't call it highway robbery if that trade went through...Unless Wiggins turns out to be the next Anthony Davis, KD, LBJ, etc. But that is a risk you have to be willing to take.Comment
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Unless the Wolves get a superstar they wouldn't move Wiggins. He is 19 they wouldn't move him for Oladipo, Harris (expiring contract would leave) and gordon.
So essentially it would be Wiggins for Oladipo and Gordon (who could be a huge bust) and a pick. Wiggins has a chance to be a once in a generation type talent and is already better than Oladipo who is older then him. Sorry you don't trade horses for ponies and that's all the magic have to offer, if they were so good why do they suck so much, and don't say same for wiggins cause he's a rookie surrounded by average at best role players. But according to you Harris, Oladipo, Gordon are all future all stars or fringe all stars and I don't see that at all, plus Harris is leaving in offseason so the best player currently would leave just makes no sense for Timberwolves.Comment
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LOL at the overvaluing of Andrew Wiggins here.
He's progressed nicely as a rookie and may one day be a top-10 player, but he's still a rookie.
Let's not forget that various draft projection models actually valued Gordon higher than Wiggins: http://www.canishoopus.com/2014/6/25...a-in-one-place
Gordon plus Oladipo plus Harris (only 22), plus Harkless AND a first round pick? Uh, yeah, amazing deal for the TWolves.
The fact is that there's significant uncertainty around ALL of these prospects--nobody is a Lebron or KD or Anthony Davis, not even Wiggins. Wiggins doesn't come close to any of those guys in terms of certainty around his projection--so the value in having multiple good prospects is that at least one of them will become something really good.
Rookie stats:
Lebron: 18.3 PER, .078 WS/48, 8.37 WARP
Durant: 15.8 PER, 0.040 WS/48, 1.08 WARP
Davis: 21.7 PER, 0.159 WS/48, 5.4 WARP
Wiggins (to date): 12.8 PER, 0.028 WS/48, -0.54 WARP
We should be clear to NOT talk about Wiggins as a sure-fire superstar. He has flashed a ton of potential, especially of late, but he doesn't compare to a guy like Davis, who posted a PER as a rookie that was better than Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Dirk Nowitzki.
So, in short, this is FOUR above-average prospects, including one potentially elite prospect, PLUS a lottery pick, for one potentially elite prospect. Where do I sign up?Comment
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Is anyone else having issues with the trade screen in MyLeague? Most of the time I cannot move the cursor over to my team to adjust players/picks and also cannot slide the cursor down to offer the trade. Is this a well know issue?Comment
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Are you on PC?Comment
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Especially if they're trading the majority of their core and depth for a 19-year-old forward who is still figuring out how to score in the league.
That pick would net the Wolves probably a Top 5 pick.Twitter: @TyroneisMaximus
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It'd be trading one potential star for a diversified pool of potential assets. That's a much better deal.
I'm not sure what OldHoss is overvaluing more here: Andrew Wiggins or his own opinion.Comment
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Yeah I figured I lost, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't screwing over other teams. I'm going after some free agents or trades with cap space.[/QUOTE]
Despite what OldHoss says, it strikes me that you're tanking smartly with the plan to build around your core.
You're getting multiple picks and freeing yourself from burdensome contracts on overpriced players. Smart.Comment
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I mean the guy who wrote it has worked as a personal trainer of some of the best players in the NBA for around 25 years but what would he know he's just pushing the espn agenda. Also the insider stuff is basically completely different in terms of qualityArsenal Gunners|Kentucky Wildcats|Cincinnati BengalsComment
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The point is that there is a lot of variability in opinion about Wiggins. That was NOT true with Davis or Durant. They were loved by scouts, statistical models, and just about anyone. Their production in college and rookie season was above average--that is not true for Wiggins--with the caveat that Flip Saunders is doing him no favors.Comment
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I never said they were "dumb" moves just that value vs value he "lost" some of the trades which is why I put it in quotes. Reading is fun.Comment
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