Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

[Sundown]

Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Also totally agree about not granting makes liberally on shots "close" to perfect. You cannot have it be simultaneously realistic and skill based without forcing misses somewhere. If you're asking for a system where better releases increases chances of makes to ultimately produce realistic percentages, great. If you're asking for a system were you can theoretically inflate shooting percentages well above real life percentages with no limits, that would be a disaster.

I'm not even sure I like the "perfect shot" indicator. It takes away the suspense of waiting for a shot to fall. I mean in a real game I can see a shot put up by Thompson or Curry-- and although it looks like it's going in, I can't be sure. That's why standing at Oracle and putting up three fingers in mid shot is such a thrill when it does go through the hoop. I'm a dork, but sometimes I even do this at home playing 2K.

The green indicator sort of robs me of that dynamic. I'd rather see the green after the ball goes through the net.

[Da_Czar]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

I have a slight problem as well. Percentages are a little high. I play All Star/Sim. I do definitely find some shots going in that I don't think should, but not enough to hamper my experience.

I do think the CPU's shot selection is a little bit questionable at times. Feels like bad shots go in a little too often, also from the wrong players. Again not enough for me to not enjoy this brilliant game, but again I've noticed.

Sage are you defending those shots you see going in or is it your AI teammates ?

[Sundown]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Your misinterpreting what I posted. Close to perfect should go in dang near +85% of the time if I'm in control of the player and they have Superstar type ratings and I'm wide open. Where's your proof that Superstars don't make +75% of their "OPEN SHOTS".

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/03/11/pierce-cares-not-about-your-hand-in-his-face/

Take a look at these stats. The best player shooting uncontested listed is Dragic at 52%.

No, superstars don't make 75% of open shots (jumpers anyway). In fact, the best spot up shooters are getting their shots off uncontested or with late contests much more often than not.

[Vni]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

The more I play, the more I think this is a non issue. You can play some really good defense in this game and you get rewarded. I have a full quarter of pistons at bulls coming up in a few hours showing that you can play good defense and that everytime the AI scores, I have made a mistake. That's how it should be. In the NBA if the defense were never making mistakes the scores would be like 25 to 22 or something like that.

[Sundown]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

The more I play, the more I think this is a non issue. You can play some really good defense in this game and you get rewarded. I have a full quarter of pistons at bulls coming up in a few hours showing that you can play good defense and that everytime the AI scores, I have made a mistake. That's how it should be. In the NBA if the defense were never making mistakes the scores would be like 25 to 22 or something like that.

What difficulty?

While it's possible to play perfect lockdown defense, am I the only person concerned about continued realism and sim even when you don't? Haha.

The CPU behaves when you aren't letting it get hot (on SS). When you do (or when your offense falters), your players become even worse defenders and the CPU does start to become unguardable.

[bls]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Put it this way, if there were more missed shots in general, the amount of contested, slightly or moderately contested shots going in wouldn't be so much of an issue. But, since you are punished for even the slightest defensive mistake with a darn near automatic make, you do feel somewhat cheated when you do everything properly and some scrub kills you.

I believe the cpu takes and makes "open" shots at far too high of a rate. It's just the slightest opening constitutes "open" and the shooter and quality of shot aren't taken into consideration.

I guarantee you if you took some of these guys into freestyle practice mode and went to their hot spots and only counted your perfect timing releases they will not hit at the clip the cpu will if left open or lightly contested.

Perfect releases are automatic makes no mater the location.


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[Vni]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

What difficulty?

While it's possible to play perfect lockdown defense, am I the only person concerned about continued realism and sim even when you don't? Haha.

The CPU behaves when you aren't letting it get hot (on SS). When you do (or when your offense falters), your players become even worse defenders and the CPU does start to become unguardable.

Not perfect lockdown defense but good defense. It's on superstar. Right now on this difficulty I mostly lose games because my offense isn't good.

[Sundown]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Not perfect lockdown defense but good defense. It's on superstar. Right now on this difficulty I mostly lose games because my offense isn't good.

My offense isn't either, but the runs affect my AI teammates defensively it seems. Then CPU cheese FG% snowball for me.

Lol I've watched so many real life games with fellow fans where we console ourselves that a hot shooting team will cool off. Sometimes they actually do. I can't even hope for that here on SS. :P

[Nathan_OS]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Sage are you defending those shots you see going in or is it your AI teammates ?

A.I teammates can't defend?

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

The more I play, the more I think this is a non issue. You can play some really good defense in this game and you get rewarded. I have a full quarter of pistons at bulls coming up in a few hours showing that you can play good defense and that everytime the AI scores, I have made a mistake. That's how it should be. In the NBA if the defense were never making mistakes the scores would be like 25 to 22 or something like that.

Agreed, I really hope they don't tweak this too dramatically...defense is really fun and challenging this year and I hope they don't completely nuke that for the sake of ease...

[jeebs9]

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A.I teammates can't defend?

Yea they can't... This was put in 2k12 or 13 I think. Humans defend and contest better than the CPU does. It was to promote more all on-ball defense. And weed out all the off ball users.

All my friends stop playing off-ball after this. They even notice that the CPU would get crossed over easier by a human if left on a island. Just last night I was playing and did a little standing still juke dribble with Curry vs Parker. And he fell to the ground. It was refreshing to see because I was on All Star.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Yeah, Mike said that himself on these boards.

Never approved of this change. They actually play decent defense, but it's like their contests don't "count"

[Boilerbuzz]

Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Agreed, I really hope they don't tweak this too dramatically...defense is really fun and challenging this year and I hope they don't completely nuke that for the sake of ease...

I don't see them messing with this. That's what sliders are for.

Yeah, Mike said that himself on these boards.



Never approved of this change. They actually play decent defense, but it's like their contests don't "count"

This only applied to user controlled teams if I recall. The user defender is buffed. It's not that the AI defender is gimped. So their contests do "count", if you will.

[jeebs9]

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^^ "User controlled games only"^^.... I think that is true. But for some reason I feel as though it works vs the CPU too. Because if I don't run out and make the contest myself. It feels like the ball goes in more often than not. But I could be wrong.

Yeah, Mike said that himself on these boards.

Never approved of this change. They actually play decent defense, but it's like their contests don't "count"

I loved it!!.... It has been awesome to see my group of friends slowly make the change over to on-ball defense. But as they racked up the loses (or jump shots go in). They would play more and more on-ball defense. I think it's ok to switch off-ball to contain some thing else on defense (like a screen or something). I hated watching my friends sit there and try to steal every pass made. It also doesn't let people think they can put the best defender on player x. And not have to worry about it him (while roaming the secondary as they say). You can still play off ball. But you better be ready to give something up. I think it's a great checks and balance thing.

[Colts18]

Re: Why do contested jumpers continue to go in?

Not to be a jerk but I seriously question some of your definitions of "wide open."