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  • demencia_total
    No Way
    • Dec 2006
    • 704

    #76
    Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

    Originally posted by Nevertheles109
    Yes, I agree, it's not perfect. Nevertheless, the main point Im trying to make is it does not need to dumbed down. My main concern is that 2K will patch this game and ruin it due to the MOST of the invalid complaints.

    I think it's funny that everyone around here cries SIM when the game is developing. Then when a SIM game is released no one knows how to adapt. SS/Sim on 2k15 is a great foundation for future iterations for authentic gameplay, that's all.
    I guess we'll have to agree to agree. And you know what? As a lot others have said, just by lowering the difficulty does away with most of the complaints, so they delivered BOTH experiences in one. I still think there's some changes to be made, but none that compromise the actual structure of the game which FINALLY after all these years is based on real professional basketball.

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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33106

      #77
      Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

      Originally posted by Kese86
      I play on HOF/SIM with no slider tweaks and always have. Maybe that's why you aren't seeing it. Try that out and come back to me haha I have no problem losing because of real basketball events, but video game only events that effect real successful basketball decisions are unacceptable year after year. Such as shots changing just so the CPU can block it, or being ahead of the CPU on the break and putting your body between them and the basket only to have the CPU warp in front of you. That strategy on the fastbreak is a real basketball strategy that isn't effective because of cheese more often than not.
      Nah. See I'm getting realistic results at All-Star with slider tweaks. I'm happy with the game. Maybe you should lower the difficulty. I've played at All-Star for years and never see cheese.

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      • areobee401
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2006
        • 16771

        #78
        Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

        I actually don't mind being a "scrub" when it comes to 2K15. There is a steep learning curve when you combine all the advanced controls and amount of strategy 2K allows the user to have access to.

        Heck, I have no problem playing on Pro difficulty. If that's where I need to be to enjoy the game and compete, than that's the difficulty I need to be at.

        If anything it forces me to spend more time learning and practicing and less time tweaking sliders because I am cruising to victory of the CPU.

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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #79
          Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

          Originally posted by Kese86
          I play on HOF/SIM with no slider tweaks and always have. Maybe that's why you aren't seeing it. Try that out and come back to me haha I have no problem losing because of real basketball events, but video game only events that effect real successful basketball decisions are unacceptable year after year. Such as shots changing just so the CPU can block it, or being ahead of the CPU on the break and putting your body between them and the basket only to have the CPU warp in front of you. That strategy on the fastbreak is a real basketball strategy that isn't effective because of cheese more often than not.

          See that's exactly what this thread is about. People that refuses to lower the difficulty in the name of pride.

          That's where we are right now as far as AI go. Yeah obviously we all would love to get a mode where the AI just plays great basketball without needing attributes boost but we're not there yet.

          You have the tools to tune your experience but instead of using them you rather complain that you see cheese. HOF is cheese, nobody is claiming otherwise. People who play that mode should expect to see cheese happen.

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          • stillfeelme
            MVP
            • Aug 2010
            • 2407

            #80
            Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

            First thing I thought of after reading the first post.

            "No..... Scrubbbs" lol

            Spoiler


            I will say this the level required to beat the CPU is high for SS/Sim you don't have to play perfect but you have to be very skilled. You actually have to game plan, adjust and know your team and the team you are facing well.

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            • brianyost06
              Rookie
              • Sep 2007
              • 67

              #81
              Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

              100% agree with original poster. Started MyGM 0-3 with a 2 blowout losses with the Hawks and have ripped off 5 straight wins since.

              The settings have been on Superstar/Sim the entire time, but I am finally utilizing a well thought out defensive game plan and 4 out 1 in offensive style to take advantage of the Hawks shooters. This is the most fun I've had playing a basketball video game.

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              • Kese86
                Rookie
                • Aug 2012
                • 158

                #82
                Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                Originally posted by Vni
                See that's exactly what this thread is about. People that refuses to lower the difficulty in the name of pride.

                That's where we are right now as far as AI go. Yeah obviously we all would love to get a mode where the AI just plays great basketball without needing attributes boost but we're not there yet.

                You have the tools to tune your experience but instead of using them you rather complain that you see cheese. HOF is cheese, nobody is claiming otherwise. People who play that mode should expect to see cheese happen.
                Umm actually it has nothing to do with pride. All I said was I want a game with smarter CPU instead of cheesy CPU on harder difficulties. Lowering difficulty and changing sliders shouldn't be necessary for success in a sports-simulation if you implement real life successful strategy. This isn't Halo or some adventure game. Some of the things the CPU does shouldn't even make it into the code for the game, but year after year it does. If that can't be accomplished then they should just remove HOF difficulty from the game. You see that the devs don't even mention HOF/SIM. The game is great every year except for this issue.

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                • Vni
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 14833

                  #83
                  Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                  It's really not about what you think should or shoudn't be needed in order to enjoy the game.

                  It's about what it is and how you can tune your game to enjoy it more. Now if you want to ignore the easy solutions that are there then that's on you.

                  But if you've been playing HOF for so long you should know what to expect.

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                  • NorthPhillyFis
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 78

                    #84
                    Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                    Been playin on the Highest difficulty sometimes i win sometimes i lose but lets be serious the cpu be straight cheatin i mean imma still play on Hall Of Fame no matter what but lets try to keep it real fellas it takes the fun outta the game sometime especially in mycareer (even tho u said this post doesnt apply) and anybody that think im #scrubnation my PSN is FisMoney we can Quick Game meet me in the Park or whatever and imma take u to #SchoolNation
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                    • DonWuan
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 1756

                      #85
                      Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                      My only issue with superstar is i dont lose/win from basketball tactics.

                      Last night i played against the cavs. Lebron hit about 10 fadeaways near the baseline. Atleast 6 went through the backboard. Watching players shift just enough so players can finish the animation.

                      And the lazy scoop type layups where the whole hand clips through the ball.

                      I just wish one day cpu can compete with smarter basketball tactics and not relying on bs to stay competetive. And allstar offers no challenge.

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                      • Kese86
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 158

                        #86
                        Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                        Originally posted by DonWuan
                        My only issue with superstar is i dont lose/win from basketball tactics.

                        Last night i played against the cavs. Lebron hit about 10 fadeaways near the baseline. Atleast 6 went through the backboard. Watching players shift just enough so players can finish the animation.

                        And the lazy scoop type layups where the whole hand clips through the ball.

                        I just wish one day cpu can compete with smarter basketball tactics and not relying on bs to stay competetive. And allstar offers no challenge.
                        ^^This has been my whole point. It isn't far-fetched to ask for real basketball tactics to impact a sim-basketball game out of the box. But I guess we have to agree to disagree with the whole "sliders" crowd.

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                        • spankdatazz22
                          All Star
                          • May 2003
                          • 6219

                          #87
                          Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                          Some need to accept neither 2K or any other developer have somehow succeeded where companies like IBM and Microsoft have yet to in implementing true artificial intelligence. Let alone achieved it in some videogame.

                          Playing on ANY game's most difficult setting isn't going to be some ultimate expression of true artificial intelligence. While I've never made a direct correlation, playing on Hall of Fame is like playing on the Nightmare level of some shooter - you're gonna get killed a lot. It's meant to be a really hard challenge. I don't see how some can be so dead set against using sliders to tailor the gameplay to your tastes. I understand some feel like they're cheating the computer if the adjust sliders - actually, I don't understand why someone would feel that way. The sliders are there for a reason, they're not some acknowledgement of weakness.
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                          • aholbert32
                            (aka Alberto)
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 33106

                            #88
                            Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                            The 2k dev team year's back said that All Star is the most realistic setting when it comes to AI. Superstar and above difficulty uses cpu attribute bumps to increase the difficulty.

                            So stop using Superstar and just use All star with slider adjustments to increase the difficulty.

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                            • Taer
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 1432

                              #89
                              Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                              Originally posted by aholbert32
                              The 2k dev team year's back said that All Star is the most realistic setting when it comes to AI. Superstar and above difficulty uses cpu attribute bumps to increase the difficulty.

                              So stop using Superstar and just use All star with slider adjustments to increase the difficulty.
                              Da_Czar also said this year's game was tuned for gameplay on SS/SIM. If what he says is true, one should expect the closest to intended play to be at this level. I feel it is but I'm just saying, perhaps it is time to use SS/SIM as the standard.

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                              • Kese86
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 158

                                #90
                                Re: I think PRIDE is ruining this game for some people

                                Originally posted by aholbert32
                                The 2k dev team year's back said that All Star is the most realistic setting when it comes to AI. Superstar and above difficulty uses cpu attribute bumps to increase the difficulty.

                                So stop using Superstar and just use All star with slider adjustments to increase the difficulty.
                                If this is true then why not make All-Star the highest difficulty setting? This is a sports-simulation so the most difficult setting should be the closest to real basketball. Leave the CPU attribute boosts and all that other cheesy stuff to shooters and arcade games. Pretty simple to me.

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