NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

[madmax52277]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

How? You are doing is Reducing Ages, therefore Avoiding the Regression Issue. And you change age back Once you feel player should be regressing correct his age. I see where you are coming from though, it will just have to be something the USER will have to decide how to proceed.

Got it, just trying to check before I start.

[vtcrb]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

Got it, just trying to check before I start.

I understand. I am hoping it works well for you.

[vtcrb]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

NEW Testing Finds

In my Global Roster, you CANT Reset Ages for Toni Kukoc(28) +1, Drazen Petrovic(30) , Sarunas Marciulionis(28) +2 In Season 2 NONE have Regressed and I am listing their ages in at end of year 2 in () , they have actually Improved. I ALSO made 1 Euro Guys age 29 and he increased by +2, so I am thinking the EuroPlayers and Players on the Classic teams, may be Immune to the issue.

[RagazzoKobe]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

NEW Testing Finds

In my Global Roster, you CANT Reset Ages for Toni Kukoc(28) +1, Drazen Petrovic(30) , Sarunas Marciulionis(28) +2 In Season 2 NONE have Regressed and I am listing their ages in at end of year 2 in () , they have actually Improved. I ALSO made 1 Euro Guys age 29 and he increased by +2, so I am thinking the EuroPlayers and Players on the Classic teams, may be Immune to the issue.

WTF is my only comment

[BigT34]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

This needs to be paired with appropriate aging curves:

http://wagesofwins.com/nba-players-age-like-milk/

The reality is that, on average, NBA players start to regress around age 26.

What's important is that not EVERY player follows that pattern. It should not be hardcoded that all players regress at 28, or whatever. Some guys get better into their 30s, Nash being a great example, and Kyle Korver another. Some guys regress more rapidly than others. The curve should average out to be like real NBA aging curves, but there needs to be a lot of individual variability, and it needs to be influenced by a combination of factors such as personality badges, player health, coach, playing time, etc.

Duncan/Ginobli probably don't end up with the longevity they have without playing for the Spurs, getting rested the way Pop rests them, and just having some good luck with injuries.

What would be great would be the ability to edit some of these factors, both through sliders and through player ratings.

We also, at some point, need better player development mechanics, i.e. the ability to draft and stash, use the d-league, etc. etc.

[vtcrb]

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WTF is my only comment

They are Still increasing AFTER Year 3. Some very interesting things here. It seems that what Progression Limit for Age was ONLY Applied to NBA Teams and Players. Not the EuroLeague or Classic Teams. I am Hoping this Helps the 2k Dev team Identify the issue easier.

[madmax52277]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

I look at it like this, 28/30 is the age were you need help to win games. you might not be the superstar you were,but still a star player.

That's where GMs trade for players to help you win games.

But for certain players like melo,James, should not regress that fast.
Feel me.

[joosegoose]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

I look at it like this, 28/30 is the age were you need help to win games. you might not be the superstar you were,but still a star player.

That's where GMs trade for players to help you win games.

But for certain players like melo,James, should not regress that fast.
Feel me.

I do feel you.

I think we need to make sure we don't just focus on the stars, though.

Let's say we have a 27 year old starter in the NBA (80 overall). Pretty good player to have, yeah? Let's even give him an incredibly cheap contract for a starter--4 years, $20 million. Let's be fairly conservative and figure he has one, maybe two more years left as a starter and a few years after that as a role player.

Well, this is actually his last year as a starter. At the end of the year he'll turn 28, and become a good role player (76 overall). Another year and he will be a 29 years old, very mediocre role player (72 overall). Another year, at age 30, he's not playing any minutes for anybody (68 overall). This guy is going to finish his amazing contract (that was less than the midlevel) as an inactive.

This would be awesome if used to capture the way some players completely fall apart pretty quickly, but this is how it is for everybody. The only guys who play any minutes at or past the age of 30 are the ones who at least had some All Star buzz at some point in their career.

[madmax52277]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

I do feel you.

I think we need to make sure we don't just focus on the stars, though.

Let's say we have a 27 year old starter in the NBA (80 overall). Pretty good player to have, yeah? Let's even give him an incredibly cheap contract for a starter--4 years, $20 million. Let's be fairly conservative and figure he has one, maybe two more years left as a starter and a few years after that as a role player.

Well, this is actually his last year as a starter. At the end of the year he'll turn 28, and become a good role player (76 overall). Another year and he will be a 29 years old, very mediocre role player (72 overall). Another year, at age 30, he's not playing any minutes for anybody (68 overall). This guy is going to finish his amazing contract (that was less than the midlevel) as an inactive.

This would be awesome if used to capture the way some players completely fall apart pretty quickly, but this is how it is for everybody. The only guys who play any minutes at or past the age of 30 are the ones who at least had some All Star buzz at some point in their career.

I need some knowledge on this regress thing. I was not deep in myleague, which good players get regress fast. are do all players drop at a fast rate.

[nip83]

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Just my 2 cents for maybe next year.Pro Evo had a system in it's franchise mode -master league (going back 10 yrs) where the players had 5 or more progression curves.If i remember correctly it was early peak,early sustain,normal,normal sustain,late bloomer and up and down(he regressed mid 20's and start developing 2 yrs on ,again as a second part of his career).

It also featured development based on playing time and training and had potential peaks as part of the progression curve.

I know it's football(soccer) but i can't see where a system like that can't be implemented in today's game and the Nba where different players have different type of careers.Especially the last curve could prove handy with players that lose athleticism and develop other parts of their game like shooting ,low post skill etc.It's exactly the same in soccer where you'd see a 40 yr old pirlo still playing because of his outstanding passing and techical ability.

Wishful thinking...

[joosegoose]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

Just my 2 cents for maybe next year.Pro Evo had a system in it's franchise mode -master league (going back 10 yrs) where the players had 5 or more progression curves.If i remember correctly it was early peak,early sustain,normal,normal sustain,late bloomer and up and down(he regressed mid 20's and start developing 2 yrs on ,again as a second part of his career).

It also featured development based on playing time and training and had potential peaks as part of the progression curve.

I know it's football(soccer) but i can't see where a system like that can't be implemented in today's game and the Nba where different players have different type of careers.Especially the last curve could prove handy with players that lose athleticism and develop other parts of their game like shooting ,low post skill etc.It's exactly the same in soccer where you'd see a 40 yr old pirlo still playing because of his outstanding passing and techical ability.

Wishful thinking...

If I'm being frank, I'm surprised that stuff like this hasn't progressed (pun seriously not intended) further than it has to this point, in 2014. When you think about things we were seeing 10 years ago or more, it's really not that much better now. Some will possibly even argue that it's worse.

10 years ago you could have asked me what I expected to see today in terms of franchise modes in games, and honestly I probably would have been disappointed to hear where things actually are.

Progress does happen and it shows they paid some serious attention to MyLeague this year, but for every new feature over the years we lose the ability to do things like create teams, make players of different weight, change teams mid-save, give players headbands, tattoos, eyewear, and nicknames, etc. Even something like Simcast--if memory serves we actually had the ability to jump into a game many years back, but I could very well be crazy.

I understand sometimes things have to get left out for others from year to year due to time constraints, but when you look at the long game it kind of stinks. On the flip side, gameplay now doesn't even compare to where we were 10 years ago, and it still blows my mind how far we've come. To me, it almost makes the long term relative lack of progress in the other modes more disappointing, because the game has soooooo much potential.

Gosh, I really don't mean to sound like I'm so negative on OS today. This is what happens when I get super itchy for a patch I guess

[madmax52277]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

Dam, just when I was going to start a new myleague, I'm blocked by this regression thing.

Went through some post, and they are very upset. so everyone that reach, 28 regress. i thought it was some player's.

What about slider's can that fix it?

[darkknightrises]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

Now the the Patch notes have been released and Player Regression wasnt addressed yet, it has been asked we give details on what is wrong.

As has been Stated before Any Player Age 28 OR Older will Regress at a RAPID Level No MATTER the Potential. So i decided to try a New Approach.

I Took Carmelo Anthony and Tested him with No tweaks at AGE 30 in MyLeague. Results were Regression EVEN with High Potential. Then I exited out and started a NEW My League with Carmelo at Age 24. NO Regression and had Progression at SAME Potential Attribute. For the Last test I made EVERY Player on the Knicks Age 24, and NONE Regressed, as they had done earlier IF they were above Age 28.

So in Conclusion it is something Hardcoded in the game that cause players to Regress at Age 28 no matter what Potential Rating.

2k Did a Great Job with their Patch today, Hopefully this can be addressed in a Patch VERY Soon.


NEW Testing Finds

In my Global Roster, you CANT Reset Ages for Toni Kukoc(28) +1, Drazen Petrovic(30) , Sarunas Marciulionis(28) +2 In Season 2 NONE have Regressed and I am listing their ages in at end of year 2 in () , they have actually Improved. I ALSO made 1 Euro Guys age 29 and he increased by +2, so I am thinking the EuroPlayers and Players on the Classic teams, may be Immune to the issue.

Interesting and that sucks that it is hard coded in the game like that with players. If it was not you could maybe fix it with upping players potential.

[darkknightrises]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

This needs to be paired with appropriate aging curves:

http://wagesofwins.com/nba-players-age-like-milk/

The reality is that, on average, NBA players start to regress around age 26.

What's important is that not EVERY player follows that pattern. It should not be hardcoded that all players regress at 28, or whatever. Some guys get better into their 30s, Nash being a great example, and Kyle Korver another. Some guys regress more rapidly than others. The curve should average out to be like real NBA aging curves, but there needs to be a lot of individual variability, and it needs to be influenced by a combination of factors such as personality badges, player health, coach, playing time, etc.

Duncan/Ginobli probably don't end up with the longevity they have without playing for the Spurs, getting rested the way Pop rests them, and just having some good luck with injuries.

What would be great would be the ability to edit some of these factors, both through sliders and through player ratings.

We also, at some point, need better player development mechanics, i.e. the ability to draft and stash, use the d-league, etc. etc.

This is bogos. Nba players are in there prim form about 25-30 then start to decline around 31 and don't have a big drop off in till like 33.

[darkknightrises]

Re: NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

Dam, just when I was going to start a new myleague, I'm blocked by this regression thing.

Went through some post, and they are very upset. so everyone that reach, 28 regress. i thought it was some player's.

What about slider's can that fix it?

Players regress at way to young of a age and to much each year. Its not just a few guys it is way way to many players. I Did sever sims and I had just 3 yes just 3 guys at 30 or older that did not get worse and just about ever player at 30 not only got worse but like 4-6 worse not just like 1 worse. Even if a player has a great year if he is like 29-30 he will get worse. I had curry who is 28 go down by 1 even though he had a carrer high in sever stats. There are even a lot of guys 27-29 that get worse and even sever guys at like 25 get worse. Guys start to decline about 3-4 years to early. It is really bad.


Guys delince last longer or shorter for different amonts of time in different sports and in this game guys decline like they are NFL RB or something. In the NFL RBs at 30 tend to just fail of the face of the earth and in this game guys are decline like that when in real life it is more like 34-35. You hear in real life how they talk about how NBA players prim is form about 25-31. In this game it is like 25-28 or something. Also how much guys play should factor in to this kind of stuff. If a guy comes in to the NBA at 18 and is starting right away there should be a better changes of him dropping of at say 28 then a guy who didn't came in to the league in till like 21. An example of that is even though Kobe was playing great back before last year when at the time he was 34 with getting into the NBA at 18 and having won 5 championships and been to the finals 7 times he had a lot of wore and tear and so they would talk about how he Is a old 34 and how you could say he was more like a 36-37 because of all the minutes and games played and short summers those years he got to the finals.