Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

[mrprice33]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

So does this only affect MyLeague and not MyGM modes? Everything I read is saying that it ruins MyLeague but I don't think I've read anything about MyGm.

If you feel like it "ruins" anything it does so far worse to MyGM than MyLeague

[JohnRocket]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

Its kind of like if you have ever gotten sick after eating Taco Bell, your gonna do it again becasue its just taste so good that you cant stay away .

You must be new to food.

[geisterhome]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

If you really are a franchise mode only player the game is rather nothing for your right now I'd say.

[Boilerbuzz]

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I find it interesting how the same small group of people are going ape-**** over an issue that FEW people knew, or cared about, until the announcement of the last patch. Sure, there was probably a thread here or there about the regression *oversight* (I HIGHLY doubt it's a bug, just someone - QA - not testing the mode deep enough), but it NEVER got to the point where people are just literally taking over threads acting as if this completely breaks the game. What is up with that? Seriously, I didn't even know about it until I went through the patch thread, and these same folks act as if it was the #1 issue talked about.

I'll be honest with you, and this is NOT to belittle issues that are important to others: if you decide to not by the game because players DEEP into their career can't suck more than they do in RL beyond the age of 32 in one mode, something is wrong. This is CLEARLY one of the best versions of the game ever made. I don't know why that even needs to be said.

And, again, I wish there was a sticky thread in every game forum because this question get ridiculously repetitive. Should you buy NBA 2k15? You'd be an idiot not to. Is it perfect? What game IS perfect? Does the regression issue kill the mode - hell no. But maybe for some people, stepping on their new Nikes is a reason to be shot. To each his own. If it's THAT important to you to extend the career of a player 5 or so years, then don't play that mode.

If you really are a franchise mode only player the game is rather nothing for your right now I'd say.

I mean: really? Opinions like these are just OVERLY dramatic. But, of course, that's just MY opinion. Anyone that hardcore on franchise mode shouldn't be play any console sports game. NONE of them measure when you get down to it. Now, PC? That's a different beast. Pro Football Manager ftw! Get that and don't even consider the console games. As CONSOLE games go, this is arguably the BEST one out there. End of story. If you've ever been happy with a franchise mode on a console, you'll be fine with this.

Again: I'm NOT downplaying the issue. It sucks. It really does. I'm just saying that:

1. I don't think it's right that some folks are acting as if this was big ticket item from Day 1 and there was enough chirping about it to even register on the radar.

and

2. I disagree with the implication that it makes the mode completely unplayable. Frankly, all it does is force you to make moves on certain players sooner than you would in real life. How that "ruins" the mode baffles me. To me, that's a challenge.

[BluFu]

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I find it interesting how the same small group of people are going ape-**** over an issue that FEW people knew, or cared about, until the announcement of the last patch. Sure, there was probably a thread here or there about the regression *oversight* (I HIGHLY doubt it's a bug, just someone - QA - not testing the mode deep enough), but it NEVER got to the point where people are just literally taking over threads acting as if this completely breaks the game. What is up with that? Seriously, I didn't even know about it until I went through the patch thread, and these same folks act as if it was the #1 issue talked about.

i don't think I've ever said the 'I' word in all my time on this site but this is some first class ignorance right here. because you have never seen a thread on it (even though there were many) it's just not issue anymore that should be fixed? i think its an oversight too but c'mon. if every developer went by your 'no thread, no problem' policy, the patch sizes (if any) would be a lot smaller.

you know how developers find problems? by continually testing their game. everyone that's played myleague for more than one season has seen the problem firsthand.

I'll be honest with you, and this is NOT to belittle issues that are important to others: if you decide to not by the game because players DEEP into their career can't suck more than they do in RL beyond the age of 32 in one mode, something is wrong. This is CLEARLY one of the best versions of the game ever made. I don't know why that even needs to be said.

this is another portion of your post that deserves the 'I' badge. you're "not belittling the issue" by saying if you don't buy a game because of a (obvious) problem there's something wrong? smh. as i said before, the issue is present only one year in.

2. I disagree with the implication that it makes the mode completely unplayable. Frankly, all it does is force you to make moves on certain players sooner than you would in real life. How that "ruins" the mode baffles me. To me, that's a challenge.

if you can find fun in only being able to give a 26 year old off of a career season a 2 year deal thats actually great (absolutely no sarcasm intended). but the other 99% of us needs this fixed asap.

[Boilerbuzz]

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i don't think I've ever said the 'I' word in all my time on this site but this is some first class ignorance right here. because you have never seen a thread on it (even though there were many) it's just not issue anymore that should be fixed?

First, I never denied that there are probably a some threads on it. I'm SURE you can resurrect some highly visible threads since you seem to act like there are quite a few. I already said, I didn't know anything about it until some folks hijacked other recent threads. Considering I'm on this forum QUITE A BIT, it says something that I haven't seen it. I FREELY admitted ignorance. And that was my point. So to try to paint it as me not being observant is pointless. A NO point did I say or even IMPLY that it shouldn't be addressed. That's not what my post or this thread was about.

i think its an oversight too but c'mon. if every developer went by your 'no thread, no problem' policy, the patch sizes (if any) would be a lot smaller.

Sorry. Where do I imply it was no problem. I'm saying that I think people are overreacting to the issue itself as I disagree that it "ruins" the experience. And I also say that it's funny how some folks are acting as if it was one of the most visible issues in the game. The one thing you can say about threads - they DO reflect the scope of the issue. The BIGGEST bugs get the most discussion. Do you agree with that statement or not?

you know how developers find problems? by continually testing their game. everyone that's played myleague for more than one season has seen the problem firsthand.

Yes, because EVERY QA department is perfect. Got it.

this is another portion of your post that deserves the 'I' badge. you're "not belittling the issue" by saying if you don't buy a game because of a (obvious) problem there's something wrong? smh. as i said before, the issue is present only one year in.

Well, if *I* have an opinion or viewpoint, *I* would continue to communicate it using that term. *I* don't care if you have a problem with that. *You* can agree to disagree and we can move on. I gave my opinion - solicited by the OP mind you - so you're going to have to live with my *I*.

if you can find fun in only being able to give a 26 year old off of a career season a 2 year deal thats actually great (absolutely no sarcasm intended). but the other 99% of us needs this fixed asap.

26 year old... Really? OK. I've given my opinion on this.

[Shady Mike]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

Anyone who says the "bug" "ruins" MyLeague or MyGM is being overdramatic.

[pacers101]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

Since the patch does not address the regression issue, in your opinions would it be worth it to purchase 2k15? I'm an association only player and like to build teams over time, playing and simming a lot. From what I've read, it seems like the regression bug would severely limit my ability to play over a long span so I'm wondering if I should just skip the game this year and hope it's fixed for 2k16?

I pretty much exclusively play association / MyLeague. I have also been one of the biggest moaners about the regression thing- just hoping they will fix it really through a patch...


But I 100% recommend buying this game.


Best sports game I have played in terms of gameplay. MyLeague mode is also brilliant, and whilst the regression thing isn't authentic (my opinion), the MyLeague experience is still extremely enjoyable (best association / franchise mode I have played in a long time).

[darkknightrises]

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Anyone who says the "bug" "ruins" MyLeague or MyGM is being overdramatic.

Maybe but this is the biggest problem left in the game and it is not even close. Guys decline about 3 years to earlie and they decline to fast. Because of this I have thought about upping player progression up to 100 so that way guys get better so that when the start to get worse it doesn't hurt has much.


I just did another sim default ever thing and check this out 130 players got worse that is like 35% of the league and a lot of those where 4-6 points not just 1 or 2 and a lot of them guys below 30 years old. 21 guys got worse at 27 or younger and even sever guys at like 24 and like 1 or 2 at 21. 12 guys worse at 28. There where 17 guys that got worse at the age of 29. So that means that in told 50 guys got worse before the age of 30. By the start of the 2017-2018 season there where 35% less guys at 30 or older on a team then when I started the sim of the 2014-2015 season because of the drop guys retire or sit in free agets list at to young of a age. I think after looking at this the biggest problem is that to many guys drop 4-6 points. I would say that probly like half of the players drop 4-6 points. I think if more of those where 1-3 instead of 4-6 things would look better. Example lest say a guy is 80 at 29 and drops off 4 points for the next 3 years on average that would drop him off to a 68 by the age of 32. Now lets say instead he drops by 2 points in 2 of those years and 3 in another one of those years. That would be 7 told so instead of being a 68 he would be a 73.

[Melbournelad]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

I find it interesting how the same small group of people are going ape-**** over an issue that FEW people knew, or cared about, until the announcement of the last patch. Sure, there was probably a thread here or there about the regression *oversight* (I HIGHLY doubt it's a bug, just someone - QA - not testing the mode deep enough), but it NEVER got to the point where people are just literally taking over threads acting as if this completely breaks the game. What is up with that? Seriously, I didn't even know about it until I went through the patch thread, and these same folks act as if it was the #1 issue talked about.

I'll be honest with you, and this is NOT to belittle issues that are important to others: if you decide to not by the game because players DEEP into their career can't suck more than they do in RL beyond the age of 32 in one mode, something is wrong. This is CLEARLY one of the best versions of the game ever made. I don't know why that even needs to be said.

And, again, I wish there was a sticky thread in every game forum because this question get ridiculously repetitive. Should you buy NBA 2k15? You'd be an idiot not to. Is it perfect? What game IS perfect? Does the regression issue kill the mode - hell no. But maybe for some people, stepping on their new Nikes is a reason to be shot. To each his own. If it's THAT important to you to extend the career of a player 5 or so years, then don't play that mode.



I mean: really? Opinions like these are just OVERLY dramatic. But, of course, that's just MY opinion. Anyone that hardcore on franchise mode shouldn't be play any console sports game. NONE of them measure when you get down to it. Now, PC? That's a different beast. Pro Football Manager ftw! Get that and don't even consider the console games. As CONSOLE games go, this is arguably the BEST one out there. End of story. If you've ever been happy with a franchise mode on a console, you'll be fine with this.

Again: I'm NOT downplaying the issue. It sucks. It really does. I'm just saying that:

1. I don't think it's right that some folks are acting as if this was big ticket item from Day 1 and there was enough chirping about it to even register on the radar.

and

2. I disagree with the implication that it makes the mode completely unplayable. Frankly, all it does is force you to make moves on certain players sooner than you would in real life. How that "ruins" the mode baffles me. To me, that's a challenge.

It destroys any semblance of realism, Boiler. EVERY single player in the league following an almost identical rate of decline after the age of 28, doesn't ruin the mode? I forgot, all NBA players are a monolithic group who decline at the same age, at the same rate, and the same atrributes. Especially role players. As we all know every single 72 OVR role player at age 28 must be a bench warmer the following season and out of the league at age 30. Very realistic. And they most certainly can't improve or remain stagnant in any season after the age of 28, as that's never happened in the NBA of course. Vince Carter doesn't exist. Korver doesn't exist. Jamal Crawford, Matt Barnes, Andre Miller, Tony Allen, Diaw, none of them exist.

26 year old... Really? OK. I've given my opinion on this.

Actually it would be much appreciated if you could expand on this. What, specifically, do you disagree with?

[ffaacc03]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

I can see why it is an important issue for many, then again, to call it unplayable ? Not by any stretch ... seriously guys, dont you remember the past versions issues (unbalanced W-L records of home and away, rookies that didnt surpass the 12 ppg mark no matter what, mode freezing, teams not surpassing the 100 ppg mark, etc), those were more close to unplayable than this ...

I mean, we have been given the tools to address this and we can address this, does it takes time, of course it does, but it is not a totally breaking mode/game thing ... I could even accept that the issue of few blks per game on the sim engine is more of an unplayable issue than this just for the fact that you cant do something to remedy or workaround it, but this, common.

Now, I do agree that this should be attended by 2k (the regression phylosophy should also be tweaked to account for position plastyles), I also think that we should be given the ability to edit peak ages of players (this is a hidden variable, extremely related to the issue at hand, that we were able to access thru unofficial roster editors in the past) as nothing so important to the mode should be hidden nor uneditable. We should also be given a separate regression slider.

Beyond addressing this issue, here is to hope for an even bigger jump on customization, options and editability.

[Boilerbuzz]

Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

It destroys any semblance of realism, Boiler. EVERY single player in the league following an almost identical rate of decline after the age of 28, doesn't ruin the mode?

I never hinted that it doesn't break the sense of realism. I completely agree. I just had two points: it sucks, but does it REALLY make it so bad that it is unplayable enough to pass on one of the best games out there. And my other point was that on the whole, few have made as much of a visible stink about it (from my vantage point of course - but I'm here quite a bit) until after the patch was announced, but they act like it dominated the board.

Actually it would be much appreciated if you could expand on this. What, specifically, do you disagree with?

I'm sorry. I misread his statement. I thought he was implying that players were retiring at the age of 26. I'll remove that sentence.

[BluFu]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

First, I never denied that there are probably a some threads on it. I'm SURE you can resurrect some highly visible threads since you seem to act like there are quite a few. I already said, I didn't know anything about it until some folks hijacked other recent threads. Considering I'm on this forum QUITE A BIT, it says something that I haven't seen it. I FREELY admitted ignorance. And that was my point. So to try to paint it as me not being observant is pointless. A NO point did I say or even IMPLY that it shouldn't be addressed. That's not what my post or this thread was about.

maybe i misinterpreted what you meant, but even including the fact that you couldn't find threads was just nonsensical to me. when the OP is asking if he should buy a game because of X problem but the first thing you respond with is 'I've never even seen threads for X problem' it makes it seem as if you're saying it's not a serious issue.

Sorry. Where do I imply it was no problem. I'm saying that I think people are overreacting to the issue itself as I disagree that it "ruins" the experience. And I also say that it's funny how some folks are acting as if it was one of the most visible issues in the game. The one thing you can say about threads - they DO reflect the scope of the issue. The BIGGEST bugs get the most discussion. Do you agree with that statement or not?

yeah i agree with what you're saying (besides the visibility of the issue). i'm still enjoying myleague, and yeah it wasn't one of the most talked about issues pre patch but the fact that we're now 3 months in & it only takes 5 minutes to sim a season and see the issue is cause for complaint.

Yes, because EVERY QA department is perfect. Got it.

when did i say they even have to be close to perfect? what i'm saying is more developers need to be testing this mode because for the past couple of years, it seems as if not enough devs are noticing issues in franchise related modes.

Well, if *I* have an opinion or viewpoint, *I* would continue to communicate it using that term. *I* don't care if you have a problem with that. *You* can agree to disagree and we can move on. I gave my opinion - solicited by the OP mind you - so you're going to have to live with my *I*.

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[vtcrb]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

I never hinted that it doesn't break the sense of realism. I completely agree. I just had two points: it sucks, but does it REALLY make it so bad that it is unplayable enough to pass on one of the best games out there. And my other point was that on the whole, few have made as much of a visible stink about it (from my vantage point of course - but I'm here quite a bit) until after the patch was announced, but they act like it dominated the board.




I'm sorry. I misread his statement. I thought he was implying that players were retiring at the age of 26. I'll remove that sentence.

One of the Main Reasons for the outcry AFTER the patch was because it had ALREADY been relayed so it could be passed to the Dev team long ago. We are always told send us the Info and we will get it to the DEV team. Obviously for 1 of 3 reason it wasnt included, #1 It wasnt Relayed to the Team #2 Didnt feel it was important enough for the patch #3 There is an Underlying Issue within the game. But since LD2K said in a Different thread he was passing it on to the DEV team, seems like #1 or #2 is most Logical.

Edit: As far as a MAKE or BREAK for the game, it will Depend if MyLeague is a Big playing Area for the USER and are you willing to Put in the work(editing) to keep things Realistic.

[vtcrb]

Re: Should I buy 2k15 given the regression bug?

I just feel like, we was not ready for this.

We are use to players that we think should developed quickly, are become a star. we are not use to theme having trouble in the process. like injuries, lost of speed, jump shots, IQ, just struggling the entire year, regression.

I tried my best to see what others are saying. and watch who is regression to fast. I'm on P4 so maybe Xone are different.
Guys that are 28 and above shows progress through the year. some show regress through on the year.

Maybe a few guy regress a little more but not overwhelming. I tried, and tried, to find out what is everyone talking about and see nothing.
Most nba players are overrated, and have one are two skills anyway, but still have great values for nba team's.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong because it is not too bad at all.

We get it, it doesnt bother you. You have said this Numerous times. But for LONG Time Association Players this is a MAJOR Issue. I am happy it doesnt bother your Association. I was responding from MY point of view, as the OP asked for opinions.