NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

[erickonasis]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

Is that the only level people play on is superstar sim with sliders??

Ive yet to hear anyone mention HOF sim

Game plays great on that level IMO

[alabamarob]

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I hope online hof/Sim level isn't ruined by thses changes. The skill difference between different people was clearly seen on that level

In my league its not. Guys are still shooting sub 40 from 3 and sub 50 from the field when opponent is playing decent defense. Poor defenders will get torched and great defenders will lock down but i think average or decent defensive players should be able to keep people below 40 from three on hof sim online.

The gap between good users and poor ones is even greater. The shot glitches were a crutch to bad defense.

[alabamarob]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

Is that the only level people play on is superstar sim with sliders??

Ive yet to hear anyone mention HOF sim

Game plays great on that level IMO

Yep. On hof sim things are great.

[Americas Team1]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

To give some insight on the actual tuning that I made... here's essentially what happened.

The shot heuristics are pretty complex but at a basic level, pre-patch the numbers looked something like this for a decent shooter at mid-range:
Wide open = 45%
Fully Contested = 35%
Heavily Contested = 10%

That's why many people complained that "being open" didn't really matter much, and they were right. Post-patch, that same shooter is now:
Wide open = 60%
Fully Contested = 20%
Heavily Contested = 10%

So over the course of the game, assuming both teams shoot an even spread of open and contested jumpers, you should've seen zero change to your end of game shot percentages when comparing pre and post patch. But if you trend hard one way or the other (all your shots are open or all your shots are contested), you would've seen a very noticeable change. Now I also fixed the "glitched" shots being unable to get perfect release, so that will factor in as well.

But if both teams play solid defense, I can believe that a player might go 80% from the field from time to time, but it definitely shouldn't be the norm. Also, in case you're wondering, I didn't touch 3PT percentages at all, only layup, close and mid-range values.

From the feedback, it seems like head to head play is much closer to what I'm looking for in terms of making the game more fun and users are rewarded for getting high quality looks. But if you guys are torching the AI offline, you might have to do some slider tweaking for this year and get in Da Czar and OG's ears to ensure the AI puts up a better fight in 2K16.

Ok so what about the people who only play MyPlayer and can't change sliders? Do you just not care about them?

[Kaypain]

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I'm interested to know if you're playing on-ball or off-ball Defense?

And...being HONEST, are you a bad, average, or good defensive player?

I'm great on ball defender until I run into a suck in animation when someone's screens. I get alot of "good shot defense" grades but they make the shot alot more then they should


Now that's it's easier to get a perfect release, the corner hop back 3 point cheese is almost unbearable.

The game is fine offline, but online it's unbearable for me. Everybody now has the same jumpshot and doing the same thing. I don't know why 2K ommitted the ability to edit our jumpshots like before

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

Is that the only level people play on is superstar sim with sliders??

Ive yet to hear anyone mention HOF sim

Game plays great on that level IMO

HOF/SIm vs. user or HOF vs. CPU. Myplayer, quick games Myleague etc. I think you need to be a little specific.

For example I play HOF/sim user vs. user but I don't play HOF Sim vs CPU quick games Myleague etc. I don't have the patch either yet.

[Beluba]

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@Beluba: Is it only the Human shot %'s that were tweaked and not the CPU's?

Thanks, and glad to see the game is still receiving support this far into the cycle.

I tuned the baseline values which are shared by both human and CPU-controlled players. So the CPU is affected as well.

[bcruise]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

I tuned the baseline values which are shared by both human and CPU-controlled players. So the CPU is affected as well.

Good to know for if I need to change the CPU's shooting sliders. Thanks!

[Beluba]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

@Beluba -

Not sure your gonna see my post or have a chance to responsd, but it has become an overall consensus that particular players, most unfortunately being low post stars, are not getting offensive sets run through them at a realistic clip.

The most mentioned would be 'The Brow', Anthony Davis!

I'm wondering, why is this the case? Low post stars like Davis won't have sets called for them and the Pelicans become a perimeter-first team....Or worst of all seeing Davis back down in the post, get perfect position, and then pass out and defer....And mid-range...non existent for AD....

Would like to get your thoughts.

Da Czar is your man for questions regarding offensive AI and play sets... but I'll give you the short answer, which is, it could be a number of reasons. First place I'd go to is the roster. Make sure that Anthony Davis' touches are where they're supposed to be in relation to his teammates. If that's ok, next step is to make sure the correct plays are running for him and that those plays don't have options that tend to favor perimeter players before Davis can get the ball. Last problem, and this is where things usually break down, is with opportunistic shot attempts. If the shooters on the Pelicans are being left wide open, the AI will almost always try to get them the ball. This can usually be fixed with adjusting their individual shot tendencies and/or some combination of the coach strategies.

[BroMontana82]

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I tuned the baseline values which are shared by both human and CPU-controlled players. So the CPU is affected as well.

How much does each tick up or down on the slider change your baseline numbers? Is it even possible to give a number? Jut trying to gauge how much to change initially and go from there...

Wide open = 45%
Fully Contested = 35%
Heavily Contested = 10%

Post-patch, that same shooter is now:
Wide open = 60%
Fully Contested = 20%
Heavily Contested = 10%

[Damien7]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

What about those patch notes?

[kg13148]

Re: NBA 2K15 Patch #4 Available Now, Primarily Addresses Shoe Issues

And also what about xb1??

[joosegoose]

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Corner 3s should be the same as others.

Thanks again for clarification. This is about what I figured based on gameplay.

Any chance this will change in future games? It's well-proven that corner 3s are made at a higher clip, largely since the corner is nearly 2 feet closer to the basket. There's a difference between taking a 3 on the line and taking one two feet back, it seems the same logic ought to be applied to the corner.

[Luke Skywalker]

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@Beluba What slider changes should I make to the shot success so it would play like it did pre-patch 4?

[JRxPHANTOM]

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@Beluba What slider changes should I make to the shot success so it would play like it did pre-patch 4?

You really can't make any. I'm pretty sure sliders don't affect perfect shot releases. I got nothing against the adding % of open shots, but to make perfect shot releases easily and a lot more common, it ruins shot timing.