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  • coached17
    Banned
    • Oct 2014
    • 487

    #31
    Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

    Originally posted by Bornindamecca

    None of this works without a big boost to defensive movement and responsiveness to the shot contest buttons. With defensive movement still being egregiously bad, VC should have opted for a more moderate nerf.
    But the patch clearly makes Defensive movement and reaction the BEST it's ever been. Even playing against some of the worst cheesers you can imagine in recent Online Ranked Games I'm able to defend them more now than EVER before....and not with tricks or gimmicks, but with just manual defense.

    What you're suggesting has already been implemented with this patch. 2K isn't dumb, they knew if shooting was fixed and easier that Defense HAD to be improved.

    Even with this...probably 80-90% of the guys I'm playing online are sticking with their tired old tricks, gimmicks, and exploits on the defensive side of the basketball...and then complaining that it's too easy for the people they are playing to make shots. Meanwhile, the guys I play who play smart man-to-man defense with mostly on-ball defense are defending me pretty well...and I'm doing the same.

    I'm not sure this patch is the "disaster" some are making it out to be. It makes online play MUCH better...and part of the problem it seems to expose with offline play is due more to bad CPU defensive AI than user-controlled shooting.

    It's very difficult to get a Green release if you're defended well...about as hard as it is to MISS a Green release. That doesn't mean SHOOTING is "broken"...it's means the CPU defense needs to IMPROVE. That will cut down on Green releases and not take any "control" away from users.

    That's the one thing I've really started to pick up on post-patch 4...there are some serious AI issues that need to be tweaked for 2K16, on both ends of the floor.

    The freelance movements are a great addition, but still need a lot of work and maybe need to be tied to player tendencies. Watching Kyle Korver or other spot up shooters CUT to the basket in situations where they would clearly spot up in real-life is annoying...and they almost always seem to be triggered by the freelance player movements. It's the same thing that is causing players to cut and fade away from the basketball as soon as I hit the button to pass them the ball...and the reason why big men who are open on the strong side block will "moonwalk" to the weak side as soon as you try to pass them the ball.
    Last edited by coached17; 03-23-2015, 07:26 PM.

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    • duhitsrandy
      Pro
      • Jul 2011
      • 728

      #32
      Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

      I feel like based off his explanation of what was tuned it was a step in the right direction, but too far. a 15% swing in open shot success seemed to be a little too much, maybe 10% wouldve been better

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      • Jrocc23
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        • May 2010
        • 3206

        #33
        NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

        I don't remember shooting being a problem in past 2Ks. There definitely wasn't no complaining about how broken shooting were and it being too easy to make shots.

        Just go back to how it was in past 2Ks like 2K11. I believe you can still incorporate the shot meter. Just base the shot percentages and all the other factors to how it used to be.
        Last edited by Jrocc23; 03-23-2015, 07:56 PM.
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        • The 24th Letter
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          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #34
          NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

          Originally posted by Jrocc23
          I don't remember shooting being a problem before. There definitely wasn't no complaining about how broken shooting were and it being too easy to make shots..

          Before what? The patch.?

          There was definitely complaining about shooting....just the opposite side of the spectrum. This thread is good stuff though, some really good ideas in here..

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          • Jrocc23
            MVP
            • May 2010
            • 3206

            #35
            NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            Before what? The patch.?

            There was definitely complaining about shooting....just the opposite side of the spectrum. This thread is good stuff though, some really good ideas in here..

            Should have elaborated more. I mean in past 2Ks there wasn't this big of an issue about shooting. Mainly 2K11 and back.

            I've also been curious on when you get hot, how much does that boosts your percentages on making shots. I've heard it does for awhile, but I've never really noticed that on 2K15.
            Last edited by Jrocc23; 03-23-2015, 07:59 PM.
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            • JRxPHANTOM
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              • Oct 2014
              • 186

              #36
              Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

              Originally posted by tetoleetd
              look what we have here. we have an official post by OS about this issue.

              and yall tried to tell me i was crazy or playing the game wrong when i brought this issue up right after the patch lol. smh.
              Same here. The shooting % could have been adjusted, that's one thing, but to change the green releases to make them super easy to get ruins the game. I sure hope 2K tweaks this before they are done with this game. Honestly, when something gets fixed (such as regression) there is always another unnecessary problem that 2K brings out.

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              • Caelumfang
                MVP
                • Oct 2012
                • 1218

                #37
                Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

                Like I said since Day 1, the shot meter, and everything being tied to it, was a terrible idea. 2k14's shot system was just fine, the only thing needing to be tweaked being airballs (especially on A+ releases). You can thank the Youtubers and other high profile players crying about 'omg if I shoot an excellent A+, it should always fall!'

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                • JRxPHANTOM
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                  • Oct 2014
                  • 186

                  #38
                  Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

                  Originally posted by Caelumfang
                  Like I said since Day 1, the shot meter, and everything being tied to it, was a terrible idea. 2k14's shot system was just fine, the only thing needing to be tweaked being airballs (especially on A+ releases). You can thank the Youtubers and other high profile players crying about 'omg if I shoot an excellent A+, it should always fall!'
                  But it wasn't until patch 4 where this became a game breaking problem. Up to patch 3, the shooting was fine for user timing. People could adjust sliders to make shots fall in more or less and the green releases weren't so common.

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                  • jagswag21
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                    • Nov 2014
                    • 37

                    #39
                    Forreal forreal, ANY contested shot should be RED. Its too many contested shots being made in the Park/JRC (Mostly 2pt shots)

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                    • Caelumfang
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 1218

                      #40
                      Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

                      Originally posted by JRxPHANTOM
                      But it wasn't until patch 4 where this became a game breaking problem. Up to patch 3, the shooting was fine for user timing. People could adjust sliders to make shots fall in more or less and the green releases weren't so common.
                      You can't adjust sliders online, or in MyCareer. And the shot system prior to Patch 3 was atrocious, especially for online. Most shots outside of a green release were bricks, especially on the wrong end of a run.
                      Last edited by Caelumfang; 03-23-2015, 10:01 PM.

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                      • ghettog
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 262

                        #41
                        In terms of the shooting it did more damage than good imo. I mainly play in MyPark and I can make nearly 100% of my open mid range shots now. Its very easy to get a perfect release now. Plenty of people I play basically now just dribble left to right until they get some space for mid range shots all game. Any space and that shot is going in. You can still defend it if you can get in someones face but the second they get that open look by just dribbling left to right or maybe using a pick that shot is going in.

                        Some people also do the dribble left to right thing with 3's but that tends to be less successful. However 3s do go in at a higher rate now as well.

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                        • JRxPHANTOM
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                          • Oct 2014
                          • 186

                          #42
                          Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

                          Originally posted by ghettog
                          In terms of the shooting it did more damage than good imo. I mainly play in MyPark and I can make nearly 100% of my open mid range shots now. Its very easy to get a perfect release now. Plenty of people I play basically now just dribble left to right until they get some space for mid range shots all game. Any space and that shot is going in. You can still defend it if you can get in someones face but the second they get that open look by just dribbling left to right or maybe using a pick that shot is going in.

                          Some people also do the dribble left to right thing with 3's but that tends to be less successful. However 3s do go in at a higher rate now as well.
                          Offline and online are broken right now because of shooting/green releases. 2K can't leave us hanging until 2K16.

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                          • coached17
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 487

                            #43
                            Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

                            Originally posted by jagswag21
                            Forreal forreal, ANY contested shot should be RED. Its too many contested shots being made in the Park/JRC (Mostly 2pt shots)
                            Uh...maybe it's because every player is a 7-foot tall SF with 99 ratings?

                            Those who try to back up their argument with examples from The Park are really stretching it....

                            And BTW acting like NBA players don't make contested shots is just silly. There are actually some players in the NBA who make MORE shots when contested than when not - thats a fact.
                            Last edited by coached17; 03-24-2015, 12:26 AM.

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                            • coached17
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 487

                              #44
                              Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

                              Originally posted by JRxPHANTOM
                              Offline and online are broken right now because of shooting/green releases. 2K can't leave us hanging until 2K16.
                              Not true. Online is far from broken.

                              Maybe The Park is broken...but maybe thats because everyone has crazy high rated players and the difficulty level encourages this nonsense.

                              Play an Online Ranked Game and it's far from broken. If people are shooting crazy high %'s against you in Online Ranked Games, it's your defense...not the game.

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                              • bls
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 1786

                                #45
                                Re: NBA 2K15: Fixing Broken Shot Forms Exposes Flaw in Shooting System

                                Go back to 2k11 formula. Was the best out of all 2ks to me and you could really distinguish a good player from a bad.

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