OS: Teach Me How Thread

[ch46647]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

I wanted to ask one more question in hope for some guidance and direction. Individual Defensive settings were added this year and there are quite a lot of options to create a solid defensive strategy.

This is a pretty in depth question, but my hopes were that if someone can take the time and explain these settings in detail, it could help a lot of 2k fans that may not have significant basketball experience..

What are your recommendations for defensive settings on the following type of players...

1. Superstar (Lebron, curry, rose, harden etc)
2. Pure Shooter (klay thompson, kyle korver)
3. Excellent driving guard, but not a great shooter (wall)
4. Power Forward who can shoot
5. Highly Skilled Center (Post Moves)
6. Great rebounding PF or C

I am trying to put together a game plan with individual defensive settings and am having a hard time doing so..

The main defensive settings that I am looking to adjust is:

-On Ball Defense
-Off-Ball Defense
-Screen (Over, Under, Ice, Switch)
-Hedge (Hard, Soft, none)
-Post (Front, Behind, 3/4 top, 3/4 bottom)
-Double team perimeter (Should I use this?)
-Double Team Post (Should I use this?)


Any help is greatly appreciated!!

[QNo]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

I wanted to ask one more question in hope for some guidance and direction. Individual Defensive settings were added this year and there are quite a lot of options to create a solid defensive strategy.

This is a pretty in depth question, but my hopes were that if someone can take the time and explain these settings in detail, it could help a lot of 2k fans that may not have significant basketball experience..

What are your recommendations for defensive settings on the following type of players...

1. Superstar (Lebron, curry, rose, harden etc)
2. Pure Shooter (klay thompson, kyle korver)
3. Excellent driving guard, but not a great shooter (wall)
4. Power Forward who can shoot
5. Highly Skilled Center (Post Moves)
6. Great rebounding PF or C

I am trying to put together a game plan with individual defensive settings and am having a hard time doing so..

The main defensive settings that I am looking to adjust is:

-On Ball Defense
-Off-Ball Defense
-Screen (Over, Under, Ice, Switch)
-Hedge (Hard, Soft, none)
-Post (Front, Behind, 3/4 top, 3/4 bottom)
-Double team perimeter (Should I use this?)
-Double Team Post (Should I use this?)


Any help is greatly appreciated!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrxUNXXiIGo

This video is a great start.

[shuuto12]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Maybe I can re-phrase this, as it may have been a bit confusing. My question is how do you combo moves together with a cross over to get to the rim.

In the video, he explains how to flick the RS to start an isolation move, but then says go into a crossover. To go into a crossover dribble and explode to basket do I flick the RS again? Or do I cross over with the left stick in the opposite direction of where my RS isomotion move was going?

Hope this makes sense... Thanks!!

To do a crossover while in another dribble animation there are two ways I know of. You can either move the LS to your off hand and turbo or use the RS. Generally though you don't need to use the RS all the time. For example: If I do a hesitation(RS to ball hand) then push the LS and turbo to my off hand it is an automatic crossover. The thing about dribble moves is that you need to know what hand you are dribbling with at all times. My explanation only covers a simple crossover, you will have to practice and get a feel for what you can do with the RS and LS combined.


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[ch46647]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

To do a crossover while in another dribble animation there are two ways I know of. You can either move the LS to your off hand and turbo or use the RS. Generally though you don't need to use the RS all the time. For example: If I do a hesitation(RS to ball hand) then push the LS and turbo to my off hand it is an automatic crossover. The thing about dribble moves is that you need to know what hand you are dribbling with at all times. My explanation only covers a simple crossover, you will have to practice and get a feel for what you can do with the RS and LS combined.


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Thank you kindly!

[ForeverVersatile]

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I apologize if this has already been asked, but does anyone know how to do a step-back from the triple threat? It seems like I can get the animation to trigger every once in awhile by holding RT and tapping the shot stick away from the hoop, but often times, it doesn't do anything at all.

From the triple threat tap the shot button then move the LS in left or right for side step or away from the basket for a step back. You can also chain them with dribbling.

[pacers101]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrxUNXXiIGo

This video is a great start.

Agreed. After playing lots of games with the neutral aggression, protect the paint defence, the only things I would add are:
- I go tight off-ball D on the opposition centre, even if he can't shoot. I give up too many offensive rebounds / easy drive and dish opportunities if my centre leaves his man too much space and then dives to the driving player
- I'm also not keen on denying off-ball opposition wing players, even if they are good shooters. I was giving up too many backdoor cuts for easy baskets. Again I go tight.


So I basically go tight off-ball to everyone, even if they are post players that can't shoot or if they are lights out wing shooters. Boring, but works for me.

[shuuto12]

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In regards to denying shooters I find it's best to not deny them at all, you will get backdoor cut all day. Tight to moderate is good depending on if you can close out. Also with gapping this only works well for someone who cannot dribble at all or shoot (I.E MCW or Tony Allen).

Speaking of which when should I use double on perimeter/drive to basket? Or should I even do so to anyone?


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[Nevertheles109]

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In regards to denying shooters I find it's best to not deny them at all, you will get backdoor cut all day. Tight to moderate is good depending on if you can close out. Also with gapping this only works well for someone who cannot dribble at all or shoot (I.E MCW or Tony Allen).

Speaking of which when should I use double on perimeter/drive to basket? Or should I even do so to anyone?


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I disagree with not denying elite shooters like Klay and Steph, unless your sliders are default which makes the CPU utlize the backdoor cuts TOO MUCH.

Also, you should start doubling after you've been cooked sufficiently. Translation, hard hedge is not working on Harden and he just made he last three shots establishing a rhythm in the second half.

Double on drive with a few random double teams in the corner, if you can. I'll double always if it's a team with limited options aka Rustle Westbrook with no KD.

[LorenzoDC]

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Agreed. After playing lots of games with the neutral aggression, protect the paint defence, the only things I would add are:
- I go tight off-ball D on the opposition centre, even if he can't shoot. I give up too many offensive rebounds / easy drive and dish opportunities if my centre leaves his man too much space and then dives to the driving player
- I'm also not keen on denying off-ball opposition wing players, even if they are good shooters. I was giving up too many backdoor cuts for easy baskets. Again I go tight.


So I basically go tight off-ball to everyone, even if they are post players that can't shoot or if they are lights out wing shooters. Boring, but works for me.

But if everyone is tight off ball who is there ti provide help in the lane? I try to have at least one defender down low play auto and not tight, usually both. That does mean I give up more offensive rebounds and putbacks, so it's really a matter of deciding where you will accept some offense based on opponent personnel.

I also give up more offensive rebounds because I find I play a lot off limit transition so I can stay in control of the pace of the game.

Anyway, my real question is if you find yourself still giving up to much penetration when defenders get beat or someone comes off a pick to get inside when playing everyone off ball tight.

[ch46647]

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Why do you use "auto" rather then moderate or gap?

[LorenzoDC]

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Why do you use "auto" rather then moderate or gap?

I almost never use gap, but sometimes moderate.

Auto allows me to let the game make some response on the margins to what the offense is doing. So, after some time, if the offense adjusts and starts to exploit the auto softer coverage to a weaker scorer for cuts to the basket, the auto setting allows for the cpu to make the tighter adjustment.

Sometimes this breaks my defense on a string where now I may have no one for help low (if I am also playing a scoring or rebounding big tight off ball) and then I have to adjust and make choices.

Do I want to risk a weaker scorer getting temporarily hot and building momentum, in order to keep the real offensive threats at bay? Or do I want to choose to keep the bigger threats more in check, especially since a lot of bigs in the game have lower stamina and so won't stay hot forever?

That said, sometimes I do go moderate but I also find that when I do that it becomes too soft for the CPU so when the adjustments come, I start to get too hurt by weaker scorers down low. This happens less if I just leave it at auto. But you have to watch it, and adjust to the talent on the floor against you, and to the flow of the game.

I usually just use moderate if the 4 or 5 is really a bad scorer, but what can happen is a good penetrating guard will dish and eat me alive for a clean layup even with a weaker scorer, and the opponent builds momentum.

That's what's nice about the game generally, is it makes you make basketball decisions that are more or less realistic, as long as your settings and sliders are right for you game play style. I have my sliders custom set for SS.

As for "gap," I only ever use it for really bad scoring bench players on the wing or perimeter, who can't hit jumpers reliably. Then I'm like, yeah, shoot, I'll live with it. But playing gap down low is just too inviting for open layups, no matter how bad the scorer is, at least on my slider set.

[wiserbk]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

I wanted to ask one more question in hope for some guidance and direction. Individual Defensive settings were added this year and there are quite a lot of options to create a solid defensive strategy.

This is a pretty in depth question, but my hopes were that if someone can take the time and explain these settings in detail, it could help a lot of 2k fans that may not have significant basketball experience..

What are your recommendations for defensive settings on the following type of players...

1. Superstar (Lebron, curry, rose, harden etc)
2. Pure Shooter (klay thompson, kyle korver)
3. Excellent driving guard, but not a great shooter (wall)
4. Power Forward who can shoot
5. Highly Skilled Center (Post Moves)
6. Great rebounding PF or C

I am trying to put together a game plan with individual defensive settings and am having a hard time doing so..

The main defensive settings that I am looking to adjust is:

-On Ball Defense
-Off-Ball Defense
-Screen (Over, Under, Ice, Switch)
-Hedge (Hard, Soft, none)
-Post (Front, Behind, 3/4 top, 3/4 bottom)
-Double team perimeter (Should I use this?)
-Double Team Post (Should I use this?)


Any help is greatly appreciated!!

This is a very complicated question. There is no "one setting cures all" it depends on your defensive personnel, match ups, what you are willing to give up and your own on ball defensive stick skills.

For instance if in guarding lebron with the Warriors. With curry Klay iggy Harrison draymond green lineup. I'll have iggy on lebron and set it to tight on ball and off ball because iggy has the foot speed to cut lebron off. Then I set hard hedge and switch so if lebron calls a screen and roll. Draymond or Harrison immediately jumps in front of him and switches on to him stopping his drive who'll still be covered by a capable defender and iggy is on the roll man. Now, if my lineup is curry Klay Harrison speights bogut everything changes. I now have Klay guarding lebron but because he doesn't have iggy's footspeed I switch to gap off ball so lebron doesn't beat Klay with back door cuts etc. when lebron calls for a screen I use go under and NO HEDGE. Basically daring lebron to take the shot. It's a better gamble then have bogut or speights hedge, which lebron can easily maneuver around and have Klay trying to cover roll man. This is just one example but depending on the lineup and type of player everything changes.

[wiserbk]

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I would suggest watching a good defensive team like warriors and focusing on defense, specifically how they deal with puck and rolls for each matchup. 2k has decent enough settings to replicate most of it. But things are just way too dynamic for there to be go to settings to shut down everything. You're going to have to understand exactly what every setting does and make adjustments according to matchup, your on ball defense stick skill and opposing players tendencies. You essentially asked how do I coach defense? Way too complicated a question to answer in a message board.

[pacers101]

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But if everyone is tight off ball who is there ti provide help in the lane? I try to have at least one defender down low play auto and not tight, usually both. That does mean I give up more offensive rebounds and putbacks, so it's really a matter of deciding where you will accept some offense based on opponent personnel.

I also give up more offensive rebounds because I find I play a lot off limit transition so I can stay in control of the pace of the game.

Anyway, my real question is if you find yourself still giving up to much penetration when defenders get beat or someone comes off a pick to get inside when playing everyone off ball tight.

Your correct that with all players set to tight I can't protect the lane as well in terms of stopping the driving player, but with Protect the Paint and a manual switch to the post player I still have a reasonable chance of contesting if I get beat by the drive... I have just come to the view that going tight on all post players is the lesser of 2 evils, because if your getting killed on put backs and easy finishes from a late dish, you really are in trouble.

To be fair though, your second post pretty much nails the issue in terms of adjusting your settings to the opponent, and then on the fly as the game develops. There is a lot of merit in your suggested tactic of starting off on moderate on the weaker big, and then switching to tight if your getting killed inside.

Interesting issue though, and getting it right is central to playing good D

[ggsimmonds]

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Thanks. I'll check it out. Silly that it's random.

It is not random.

To do the shimmy quickly flick the RS in one direction and immediately flick and hold to the other side (think you hold R2 during this, not quite sure).

So RS flick right, then move and hold left will result in the player shimmying to his right, then fading to his left side.

I never double shimmied, but my guess is flick, flick, hold results in a double shimmy.