2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

[Vroman]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

I didn't say its impossible to make ratings accurate, but there is no sheet of statistic that automated script could assess and pick ratings somewhat accurate on each player. You have to manually watch each player which is lots of work.

And euro team's bball level isn't as trash as you try to picture, definitely not every best euro player is being picked by NBA.

[hedop]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

I didn't say trash. But seriously guys... look at the scores and consider that the rim is lower, the lane is wider and the 3 point line closer to the hoop yet the average fg% is lower ... I'm sorry but that just screams not comparable to the NBA. Furthermore there is a lack of real big man or big guys in general all around Europe so no real post game etc. They play a nice game and the offensive flow is beautiful as is the passing but there is absolutely no point in denying that the level of talent is waaaaaay below that of the NBA overall and the lack of athleticism is obvious. If your rim hangs lower, your 3 point line is closer to the hoop, your lane is wider and you would have at least 5 players on each of those teams that would be decent NBA material you would be looking at scores of 100 and more for each team. Just look how the NBA players abuse the low rim and the shorter 3 point line and wider lane in every Olympic tournament and every World Championship.

I also never said that no one on the team has some potential for the NBA but no one in their right mind can claim that each good Euroleague team has 5 or more guys fit for the NBA. I'm not talking about Ante Peric coming in for 2 minutes. I'm talking about NBA material... at least number 7 or 8 on the bench. To say that every good Euroleague team has more than 2 or 3 of that category is just wrong. Each team has 2 or a maximum of 3 and some players that are good in Europe but would never amound to anything in the NBA because of age, height, weight, lacking athleticism, general lack of talent, skillset or other criteria. If there were more, do you guys honestly think teams would still tank for drafts? They would just buy them out of their contracts when they turn 23 and have done with it.

You can also use statistics for the Euroleague and the domestic leagues and just add a modifier to account for shorter 3 point line, lower basket etc. and if you don't want that it's still possible to use the effectiveness rating.

[Vroman]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

Rim height is exact same in any europe continent league as nba, where did you take that its lower height there. The differense is court size and 3pt line height and that ain't too big difference to call out as argument that euroleague is much lower bball level than nba.
No post game ? No comments, you probably don't watch euroleague games at all and base your opinion on stereotype.

Here is vid of best dunks of euroleague 2015 . You tell me if there aint any athletisism. *suggest to mute the audio*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5DtUvVS0ms

[hedop]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

Highlights from several game does not disprove lack of general athleticism compared to NBA players. And yes... there is a lack of proper Post Game, always has been, which is why most big man who come out of Europe are Pick and Pop man and only develope their game in the NBA.

[Bexthelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

In terms of NBA 2k's rating. V-Span(often thought to be the best Euroleague player) was the highest rated euro player with an 82, which is the equivalent of an above averge role player in the NBA.

Whiles Kenan Sipahi was th second highest rated player with a 79. Which is weird cause he's still up and coming.

Saric and a host of others were rated a 74 and everyone else was under that. Saric at a 74 falls in line with most rookies in 2k

[Vroman]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

Highlights from several game does not disprove lack of general athleticism compared to NBA players. And yes... there is a lack of proper Post Game, always has been, which is why most big man who come out of Europe are Pick and Pop man and only develope their game in the NBA.

That's some bollocks mate, at least get the real arguments of where nba players are better if you want to smack on the euro basketball.
I really wonder who are the most big men who came from euro became good post player while being only 'pick and pop' ones.

Those were very good post players prior coming to nba:
- Pau and Marc Gasol brothers;
- Big Z . He got all his skillset in Lithuania bball schools and he was mostly post player until got older.
- Sabonis;
- Luis Scola;
- Donatas Motiejunas;
- N.Pekovic

Its more of NBA team's business that they primarily look for shooting bigs (like bargnani) and facilitators( like T.Splitter, JV).

[Bexthelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

I'm gonna ask a Dev about this if there's a chance.

Certain euro players looked really accurate. Joffrey Lauvergne was already in the game on the euro roster, before they put him on Denver. So that was really awsome

V-span looks great
Rudy Fernandez looks great ... Ext

[Bexthelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

When I play the game on the 25th, if Dario Saric still looks nothing like himself I'm gonna be disappointed

[Bexthelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

Here's another 2k15 example, Kenan Sipahi ( second highest rated Euroleague player in the game)

[Bexthelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospectsl

For all those who have be following this thread.

2k released this pi



The jersey quality makes me optimistic. Hopefully the next step is to release some screenshots

[Johnnythelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

* the pool changes because Basketball or rather sport in Europe works completely different from sport in the US. By law something like a draft is completely outlawed by the European Union. Furthermore the Euroleague is a tournament not a real league. Teams play the Euroleague plus their domestic league plus the domestic cup. To get into the Euroleague you need to win your domestic league or clinch a certain spot after the playoffs or in the Eurocup competition. Furthermore there is the lower tier Eurocup in which several other teams play plus the domestic cup winners. The only real possibility to have a consistent field of teams to focus on would be to take the two strongest teams from the 8 best leagues plus the 8 or 10 strongest teams from other countries.

*again teams play domestic leagues and domestic cups in addition to the 32 or so games that you would play to get to the finals of the Euroleague plus they are all broadcasted in their respective countries so there are more than enough samples to look at certain teams and players especially when they play against good domestic competition like Bayern against Alba or Barcelona against Real. European coaches don't prefer defensive basketball they actually let the teams play a lot of pick and roll and pick and pop and quite fast tempo and a lot of ball movement. The reason why the scoreline looks as it does is not lack of coaching but lack of talent. I would venture to say that the height average alone is roughly 3 to 4 inches less in Europe. Furtheremore there is nearly no post game what so ever, a lack of comparable athelticism. Yes the 3 point line is further in, the basket hangs lower, the lane is wider but still... you just can't compare the talent. Even the best teams in Europe have a maximum of 2-3 players that would make it to the NBA and even those would probably not get more than 5-10 minutes a game if that. The fieldgoal percentage usually is abysmal and because certain defensive rules like illegal offense, illegal defense, no handchecking etc. haven't been implemented, same goes for the 5 seconds back to the basket rule the game is less offense friendly add to that the lack of athleticism and you have the reason for the generally slower pace.

If you put some effort in you could easily get the 20 best teams with proper looking faces and maybe even let them play sort of an NBA style league instead of Euroleague or even implement an option for players to add these teams as new NBA franchises, something Stern and Silver have been talking about quite a lot.

What a bunch of crap oh my god

[Bexthelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

Well this thread failed.

Here's the 2k16 Dario Saric. Seems like no attention was given to improving them this year.

[maendros]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

Just to clarify rim is NOT lower in euroleague or fiba basketaball.

[Bexthelegend]

Re: 2k16: Improved attention to Detail with Euroleague prospects

I'm here to tell you that you are wrong.

They will pay attention to it.

I think you were wrong this one bro