At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

[tetoleetd]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

i play on ball all the time against the computer.

against a human it depends.

if its too laggy i wont even bother because theres no way you can react fast enough on defense when the lag is extreme.

if im going against someone who is cheesy i most likely wont play on ball either.

but other than that i usually try to play onball against humans.

[KehliahoMauiFootball]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

lol I still don't get this --> "If I wanted to play the AI I would've played offline". The nature of the mode you are choosing means playing 1vs1 controlling 5 guys, which there's EIGHT CPU players at every given moment. That's 80% playing the CPU. Like I said, if this single gameplay element defines the mode for you to the point where you don't like people playing how the mode was inherently designed (controlling 5 guys), stick with mypark teamup or JRC. It ELIMINATES the CPU element. Score! You guys have plenty of game modes choices to fit your play style.

would this on-ball-D thing hold any weight in any other sports game? In Madden or FIFA would someone have to switch to whoever is guarding the ballhandler or else he's an off-ball cheeser?

[Optik]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

You do what you can to win. It's up to 2K to make the game balanced. Also, we're not playing Street Fighter here, we're playing Command & Conquer. We're doing our best to manage all five guys at once. I usually don't even care what controller the opponent is playing because I just run the "Best Play" every possession.

[alabamarob]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

You do what you can to win. It's up to 2K to make the game balanced. Also, we're not playing Street Fighter here, we're playing Command & Conquer. We're doing our best to manage all five guys at once. I usually don't even care what controller the opponent is playing because I just run the "Best Play" every possession.

Good to know you still alive. Great post

[painter]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

i mean its not that hard to which to the ballhander and play D
im not trying to go into games sizing people up with lebron and only using him.
im actaully running a offense.

Let's say you are running a staggered baseline screen for your SG to free him up for a mid-range J. Your PG is at the top of the key waiting for your AI teammates to run the play.

In your ideal on-ball D game, which player would your opponent be controlling, the PG, or the SG or another player? Who would you cover if you were the defending team and the said play was being run?

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

I never play off ball D . But sometimes if it's a player like Westbrook where all you have to do is hold turbo and shoot to get a bucket no matter where you are on the court I let the CPU defend so I can use another guy to get a charge or double animation

[Optik]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Good to know you still alive. Great post

Haha. I've given up on the series really, don't play it anywhere near as much as I used to and don't enjoy it as much. Only mode I've really played in 2K15 is MyTeam and I face the same problems we've been having for years. I was thinking of getting into a league but then on the OS forums it seems like people aren't that bothered.

Anyway, you on PS4? We should get a game in.

[jk31]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Let's say you are running a staggered baseline screen for your SG to free him up for a mid-range J. Your PG is at the top of the key waiting for your AI teammates to run the play.

In your ideal on-ball D game, which player would your opponent be controlling, the PG, or the SG or another player? Who would you cover if you were the defending team and the said play was being run?

Well as soon as you see, that your AI teammate (SG defender) doesn't do well, I would switch over to him and guide him to where I want him to be. In my opinion this fits into the "on-ball most of the time"-philosophy.


As many people here said...The thing that upsets most is when your opponent controls the off-ball defender most of the time, because he is too lazy to defend the ball himself!!!! This is wat this thread is about not all those little exceptions which are smart defensive plays....

[Scramz718]

At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Most ppl that play off ball rely on the CPU to do most of the work. There's a difference between being proactive on defense and hiding on defense. Most go off ball and stay as far away from the action as possible. Quickly switch players when the the person they're guarding gets the ball. Those are the lazy ones.
Then you got the guys that camp the paint. Not putting any effort into guarding the perimeter. They're doing some of the work but rely on the CPU to do the heavy lifting.
Lag isn't an excuse to hide on defense. If it's laggy on defense then it should be just as laggy on offense. They don't have any problems on the offensive tho. If the lag is preventing you from playing D then you shouldn't be able to execute on offense because of the lag. If that's the case, why are you playing that game? Quit and try to find a more stable game.
Then they're the 100% on ball "sim league" guys. They're situations when guarding the ball handler it's ideal. Its about guarding the point of attack. If you're running a floppy, why should I guard you're PG? He isn't a threat. I'm going off ball to stick to your best shooter like glue.
It's all about being proactive on defense. Putting the same effort into both sides of the ball. Most ppl choose the easy way and only play one side of the ball.



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[quitdabull]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

what gets me is when someone playing off ball cpu intercepts my passes and my cpu teammates are incompetent and sluggish

Its like im really getting punished for guarding the ballhandler

Then on top of that he gets 3 offensive rebounds in 1 possession until a 3 is wide open after playing legit D even knocking the ball out a few times with no recovery

Also its times where all of a sudden a team goes 9/10 in a Quarter while i might go 4/10

I dont get this game man

All dudes do is fish for jumpers . If its not working they pause the game for 20 seconds until they get the momentum back

[ILLSmak]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

I always get a kick out of on-ball warriors.

Thing is, dude, someone who picks up 2k isn't gonna play off ball D. People come up with excuses as to why they do it, but it's only after getting burnt that people are like MAN. The reason it's cheesy is because it creates a 'controlled environment' that favors a chaotic off ball defender.

People who just switch away from the ball always are wack strategically, but you really are best off playing off ball D... maybe press up the court on ball then switch off once the person starts trying to set up a score.

It's just not fun. If you are playing on ball D and you switch and steal a telegraphed pass, bring another guy over, or something like that, it's different.

But playing 1 man zone on top of the foundation the computer built is cheesy.

-Smak

[sylabdul]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Adjust a deal with it just like 3pt cheesers.

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[2ksinceday1]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

actually the absolute truth is because of online lag!!!!! I've been playing 2k since the dream cast days, and I remember there was always some sim dudes and people complaining about on ball defense. You have 5 dudes on the court you should be using all of them. Remember rebounding and positioning happens before the shot. Reading passing lanes and sending help defense are all off ball anticipation tactics that are used just like in real life!!!actually 2k has taken a lot of intercepting the pass out because of people complaining. I used to be great at that. Does anyone ever notice they don't even allow you to full court press and trap any more. I used to blow people out by 30 with the traps and presses!! You can just walk right by it now. That's 2k making sure that the games are close so no one gets blown out. Keeps everyone happy and PLAYING THE GAME. That's right my friends its A GAAAAMMMMEEEEE!! Want to really play on ball Defense go to the park and really play some on ball Defense on a human being you lazzzy f ugi buggy nerdy greasy pug boy!!
Ohh yeah back to the subject, its because of online lag. I mean if on ball defense was that effective like it should be then this wouldn't even be a thread everyone would use it. If I'm playing on ball defense and it feels like the offense player has jets on his feet and me the defender feels like I'm stuck in quicksand or wet cement. Then no ill pass on on ball. ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG
Yeah like I said I'll PASS!!!! Truth is they don't want you to play defense think about it they took out last years defense the 1-3-1 because they said it was 2 cheesy. They took out effective traps and presses, on ball defense is like making love to ant. (Its just not going to work) They want both people racking up the points and games being close to the end. Defense is bad for business. People getting blown out and throwing the game in the trash is bad for business. Slam dunks and alley oops and 7'2 pgs and the park is good for business. Its all about the money follow the money my friends and you figure out a lot about life. One thing I never did was fooolloowww the grammar po-lice

[2ksinceday1]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

I play on ball about 75 percent of the time. I like to click on my big's to get position before the shot even goes up because getting position on a rebound (every smart b baller knows)starts before the shot even goes up. So maybe I'm not quick enough to defend the shot and still grab my man under the basket and get position. I guess I'm not a real man like you on ball players are.
I did read one person say if you want to play nothing but on ball they do have My player. That's actually how I got better at on ball Defense. It doesn't mean that's the only thing I like to do tho. I like to control all 5 guys on the floor. That's the beauty of it. Your the coach. I'm not lazy by any means. I'm seeing the whole floor and trying to put all 5 guys in the right position like army men to get the stop and rebound. Its called Team Defense. I'm not staying in on ball defense for some kind of bragging rights I actually think is bad logic to stay in on ball defense while you have the option to control all 5 guys.
The day 2k makes you play nothing but on ball defense is the day I quit playing this game. That would be so un fun even If I was the best On ball defender the 2knation has ever seen!!!! They use to give you the lock-on play option for people who wanted this. If your truly are a on ball till you die type of player, play My Player. You benefit greatly from it in this option.

[Jrocc23]

At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Just shows you, people is just cut from a different cloth lol. Some people like to let the CPU play defense for them while they watch and do nothing barely and it's some that it wasn't even told to them, it's just been in you since you played basketball games to switch on the user that has the ball. Which I've been doing since I was kid.

Like mentioned, nobody plays 100% onball D. I don't, but I bet it's at least around 80%. Because I will go offball if someone is running the same play and I know where the ball is going. Why wouldn't I? Also if I am bringing a double team or other special situations. But I am most likely switching right back on the person that has the ball. But the guys that camp in the paint is the worst and the ones that switch when the ball is giving to their guy lol.

A lot of these guys don't want to defend on their own, but have no problems running the offense. How many of those same people played offball offense like they do on defense in 2K "for the betterment" of their team? I bet you it's very rare. Don't understand how someone could just let the CPU do everything for them, (PLAY ME) and I doubt I ever will.

I am personally a member of the league online in Poland and one of our most important rule is to defend on the ball ! I think the solution to this situation would be to promote 2k defense on the ball and decreased IQ players hiding cpu players with the ball or just simple boost ON ball Defense!

Thing is, one year, I believe 2K14 or 2K13? 2K lowered the CPUs defense for contesting shots or something like that to encourage onball D. They basically said if you played user D, the contest would be more effective than the CPUs.

So, 2K, seems to somewhat tried to combat it as well.