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  • Sundown
    MVP
    • Oct 2010
    • 3270

    #121
    Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

    Originally posted by LD2k
    No one here, internally and externally, is a bigger Kobe fan than I am... but I agree with 85 - coming off an injury last year & based on how the ratings have been constructed for NBA 2K16. Also not that worried because the Black Mamba will rise that # up this season.
    This doesn't make much sense. Injuries should depress ratings until the player gets in game shape, not give "benefit of the doubt" rating bonuses. We all knew Rose wasn't an 88 last season and he never came close to it. And Kobe isn't an 85 and hasn't played like one for any stretch in two seasons.


    He's an 80-81 based on an objective analysis of his actual performance last year. And that's kind of being generous. There are very few players that one could conscionably give an 80 rating to with his statistical performance. If you gave every one of his shots to Jeremy Lin or Nick Young, they could likely have equaled his scoring production and efficiency. I mean 37%. Really?


    Originally posted by lakers24
    In those final games he shot 37.7% from 3, 39.1% from 2 (in 6 of the 8 games he shot above 40%), averaged 14.6ppg, 7.6rpg, 8.1apg, and posted a TS% of 49.1% (season average was 47.7%).
    49% TS is ABYSMAL (and only on low volume 14.6 ppg). That is several points below league average. Everyone's favorite high volume chucker in Westbrook still shoots 52% (which is around league average). 49% TS means terrible shot taking and/or that some of those shots should be distributed to pretty much any other NBA servicable average-efficiency player.


    To get an idea of how TERRIBLE 49% TS is, which is during Kobe's "good games", let's look at GSW's roster. To find someone who shoots around 49.1% TS, I have to go all the way down to Justin Holliday, the Warriors' 13th man, who still beats Kobe with a 49.8%.


    Now if we look a little further, there is Brandon Rush at .204. But his career is likely over. That's it. There is no one else that shoots as poorly as Kobe on that roster.


    That doesn't scream 85 to me.
    Last edited by Sundown; 08-29-2015, 12:44 PM.

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    • JODYE
      JB4MVP
      • May 2012
      • 4834

      #122
      Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

      Originally posted by 24ct
      Yeah like if LeBron is a 94 & peak Jordan is 99 then what is a prime Lakers Kobe rating? What will Heat LeBron be rated?

      What about Larry Bird? Offensively good. Great shooter. Good team defender but not so good 1 on 1. What is Magic's rating? Great all around PG. Scoring threat but would rather pass. What's Scottie Pippen if LeBron is a 94 & Kobe old is an 85?

      I'm curious. Is 2k saying LeBron's production dropped? Then what is Kevin Love's rating? Kobe definitely isn't an 85 in today's NBA. If he's an 85 what is Paul Pierce? He actually finished a season & made Washington a playoff contender. Would have been in the EC finals if Wall doesn't break his hand. If he's lower than Kobe I gotta say there's some in house love for him. What is Westbrook & Harden if Kobe is an 85? Strong 90 at least but KD is a 91...Westbrook's season stats were better than Harden's, Durant (best healthy season) & Curry's last year lol...

      If they're going by HOF/advanced stats LeBrons FG% is one of the highest inside the paint for a guy who basically is a point guard in a forwards body. How did he drop that much in rating vs Kobe who didn't move at all.

      Numerical ratings don't matter that much to me but there seems to be no consistency. So I'm questioning where these numbers come from?
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      • Sundown
        MVP
        • Oct 2010
        • 3270

        #123
        Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

        Originally posted by ojandpizza
        LeBron dropped off somewhat with his extremely high shooting efficiencies.. But man after the finals I can't imagine a 94 being fair.

        Curious to what TT's rebounding ratings are. LeBron out-rebounded him (and everyone else in the finals) even with Thompson being much closer to the basket more often that Bron, but I'm sure his rebounding ratings are slightly too low again like they always are.

        Interesting what his guard capabilities are as well. Averaged more assists than anyone in the finals as well with his top 2 scorers OUT, and JR shooting about as well as Shaq does. Also less turnovers than Curry despite his ridiculous usage rate and playing against the top defense in the league.

        I'm just not sure man. He was putting up stats like guys from the damn 60's in today's league, and against the best defense in the league, and drops to a 94 because his shooting percentages was a littler lower? So are we going to lower MJ for the year he played Seattle and his shooting/turnovers were ridiculous?
        Lebron's shooting percentages weren't just "a little lower". They were just straight up bad. 40% is terrible efficiency. And him being contained by Iguodala was what netted him the Finals MVP. After his playoff performance, I can't NOT give him a 94-95 or lower. It's still very, very good and a dominant rating on an all-time scale. But it was clearly not peak Lebron (who is probably a 96-98 on a GOAT scale).

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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #124
          Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

          Originally posted by scottyp180
          Always love seeing how people react to the ovr. Things like Kobe should be around 82 instead of 85. We don't even have his full ratings to know where he is overrated. 2k, much like us, have no idea how Kobe will perform this season and it seems like they are given him a bit of the benefit of the doubt.

          Last year they were very consistent on roster updates and weren't afraid to increase or decrease a player's attributes where they saw fit. Wouldn't be surprised to see Kobe, or anyone elses, ovr adjusted within the first couple weeks of the season. If you can't wait that long you can always adjust the ratings yourself.

          Way too much common sense for an overall rating thread man.

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          • jfsolo
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            • May 2003
            • 12965

            #125
            Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

            Originally posted by JODYE
            You didn't watch Larry Bird.
            He means on the defensive end, which is totally correct. Offensively of course he was lethal one on one.
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            • stillfeelme
              MVP
              • Aug 2010
              • 2407

              #126
              Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

              They straight gave Kobe a 2-3 year pass. He had one of the worst shot selections I can recall last season.

              The only rating I can see Kobe still being rated high was in his turnaround fades. He should have bad on ball defense and any other athletic ratings. Then you add on his injury ratings man lol.

              When you are 37 there is a huge difference than being 34 ask any athlete. I mean he is coming back from an injury that is known to completely change your game if not end it on the wrong side of the end of his career. He was noticeable slower last season than 2 seasons ago and also limited offensively. Some ratings should not be given a 2 year pass though

              I want the bad shot selection Kobe with the 37% jump shooter and defensively limited

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              • Sundown
                MVP
                • Oct 2010
                • 3270

                #127
                Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

                Originally posted by stillfeelme
                They straight gave Kobe a 2-3 year pass. He had one of the worst shot selections I can recall last season.

                The only rating I can see Kobe still being rated high was in his turnaround fades. He should have bad on ball defense and any other athletic ratings. Then you add on his injury ratings man lol.

                When you are 37 there is a huge difference than being 34 ask any athlete. I mean he is coming back from an injury that is known to completely change your game if not end it on the wrong side of the end of his career. He was noticeable slower last season than 2 seasons ago and also limited offensively. Some ratings should not be given a 2 year pass though

                I want the bad shot selection Kobe with the 37% jump shooter and defensively limited
                I'm not even sure he should still be rated high on fades-- if anything, the efficiency of those is what I saw drop drastically.


                Basically Kobe's "good" games last season has him producing at Tony Wroten Levels. Wroten did not get an 85 for his efforts.
                Last edited by Sundown; 08-29-2015, 12:48 PM.

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                • magicman32
                  Pro
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 803

                  #128
                  Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

                  Kobe was absolutely terrible last season chucking to pass Michael Jordan in scoring. It was bad. And his defense was terrible.

                  I know his averages last season looked decent as far as PPG, APG, RPG. But if you watched the games, he shot the Lakers out of several potential wins. HE WAS TERRIBLE!!!!

                  Over the last 3 years, his last 3 injuries has been NON-CONTACT injuries that have kept him out the rest of the season. Hopefully he can bounce back, but he needs to take a step back and let the young talent develop. FOR REAL!!!!

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                  • eltyboogie
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 249

                    #129
                    Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

                    Originally posted by Sundown
                    Lebron's shooting percentages weren't just "a little lower". They were just straight up bad. 40% is terrible efficiency. And him being contained by Iguodala was what netted him the Finals MVP. After his playoff performance, I can't NOT give him a 94-95 or lower. It's still very, very good and a dominant rating on an all-time scale. But it was clearly not peak Lebron (who is probably a 96-98 on a GOAT scale).
                    Its not hard for Iggy to "contain" LeBron when LeBronis literally the only offensive option on the floor for the Cavs lol. The Warriors pretty much ignored every player on the court not named LeBron. Going out and getting 40 when everybody in the gym knows you're getting the ball is amazing regardless of shooting percentages.
                    I mean if youre gonna use that logic then prime AI and 05-07 Kobe shouldn't be higher than Bron
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                    • Blackhail92
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 412

                      #130
                      Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

                      This is just my opinion but, wasn't Kobe a 85 on the last 2k15 update anyway. We all knew why with stats many have said already including his 5.7 assist he had 3.7 Tos for that. He is still unstoppable if used off the block anyway with turnaround fades and a nice lay up rating so his rating shouldn't matter much really.

                      Side note: would like to see the next tier of sf ratings since Bron and KD both got rating hits. Like to see the individual ratings and if the ratings are still highly affected by defense so the kawaii and PG13s might benefit

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                      • stillfeelme
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 2407

                        #131
                        Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

                        Originally posted by Sundown
                        I'm not even sure he should still be rated high on fades-- if anything, the efficiency of those is what I saw drop drastically.
                        Trust me man that was the only thing he was good at last year. He should still have a good fadeaway



                        He shot so many bad shots last year though I want that reflected in tendencies

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                        • Sundown
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 3270

                          #132
                          Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

                          Originally posted by eltyboogie
                          Its not hard for Iggy to "contain" LeBron when LeBronis literally the only offensive option on the floor for the Cavs lol. The Warriors pretty much ignored every player on the court not named LeBron. Going out and getting 40 when everybody in the gym knows you're getting the ball is amazing regardless of shooting percentages.
                          I mean if youre gonna use that logic then prime AI and 05-07 Kobe shouldn't be higher than Bron
                          Lebron shot like that for all of Playoffs.


                          That said, Lebron's feat was impressive because of his offensive load. But shooting inefficiently in high volume isn't something that's actually evidence for a higher rating.


                          Plus Lebron wasn't very notworthy on defense. I watched the whole series and can't spot his defensive impact. I was sort of suprised about it in retrospect. 94 is fine on an all-time scale.


                          And I don't disagree that prime AI and Kobe shouldn't be any higher than a 94-95 on an All-Time GOAT scale. That leaves a 4-5 point spread for the many greats that are better than both those players.


                          Originally posted by stillfeelme
                          Trust me man that was the only thing he was good at last year. He should still have a good fadeaway



                          He shot so many bad shots last year though I want that reflected in tendencies
                          Heh, I saw a Denver game where he did nothing but shoot the Lakers out of the game with a double digit lead with turnaround fade after fade. I guess that was the exception?

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                          • stillfeelme
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 2407

                            #133
                            Re: NBA 2K16 Screenshots & Ratings - Day Four: Wall, Ross & More as They Arrive

                            Originally posted by Sundown
                            Lebron shot like that for all of Playoffs.


                            That said, Lebron's feat was impressive because of his offensive load. But shooting inefficiently in high volume isn't something that's actually evidence for a higher rating.


                            Plus Lebron wasn't very notworthy on defense. I watched the whole series and can't spot his defensive impact. I was sort of suprised about it in retrospect. 94 is fine on an all-time scale.


                            And I don't disagree that prime AI and Kobe shouldn't be any higher than a 94-95 on an All-Time GOAT scale. That leaves a 4-5 point spread for the many greats that are better than both those players.



                            Heh, I saw a Denver game where he did nothing but shoot the Lakers out of the game with a double digit lead with turnaround fade after fade. I guess that was the exception?
                            Yeah I wouldn't doubt that the Lakers by most measureable stats show that they were better offensively and defensively with him off the court than being on the court.

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                            • MoneyOvaHuds
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                              • Jul 2014
                              • 3491

                              #134
                              NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

                              Bron was practically shooting poorly the entire playoffs

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                              • SlyNumb3r1
                                Banned
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 153

                                #135
                                Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

                                Alright Guys.. im bored so i gonna take a look at those beautiful pics.. and finding things to improve.. that does not mean i hate or nitpick i just wanna see stuff that isnt good but could be done easily..


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                                Ok 1st One. What i love is the Jersey.. Lakers decided to take those stupid sleeves Of. thats nice i wish the Nets would too with their sleeved jerseys (grey/blue one and 'NETS' font one) the Lakers Jerseys have been perfect so nithing to nitpick there too.. the sleeve looks great too and the sewat in 16 looks amazing IMO.. Kobes Face was better in 2k15 imo but lets wait and see how he looks when he isnt angry the black and white background means probably its a pic of the JPOTG Video.. i hope that works with 12 min. quarters this year (Y)

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                                2nd is the Wall Pic.. starting with the Jersey.. everything is right here.. fontsize, colors, sides and neck.. the only LITTLE thing is: the Red on the jersey doesnt have holes in it, while the blue does have as u can see here
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                                but thats just something nobody see's so no big deal the sweat again looks very nice the only thing that i dont like is that Wall doesnt rock his beard..

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                                soo the 3rd one is the only one i dont like.. idk why but the Jersey looks very unnatural.. it remind me of a NBA Live Pic from 2-3 years ago..the Patch is cool i just hope it is gone when in my GM mode the season is over.. Face isnt that good too imo.. i dont like this pic.

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                                so on to the next one.. the Jersey looks very nice.. not too tight and not too big either.. i dont like that new Raptors jerseys but i thinks they got it all perfect.. maybe the sides are too thin from what i saw in earlier pics but idk. Ross looks great Imo, his Body his Face and agin the sweat looks just great! very Nice Pic (Y)

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                                soo.. what i love in this Pic.. is the Body.. the arms look amazing.. the biceps and the veigns.. wow! i think his Face is good too! Thenow lets come to the Jersey.. Colors are perfect imo (maybe the orange could be shinier but maybe thats just the lightning in this pic) but what i dont like is the Jersey looks flat as its out of stone. The Font? i dont know why it is in 3D.. its wrong and also the Number is way too small as u can see here
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                                soo yeah.. as i said i do not hate here.. its just little thingss too improve!

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