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  • ATLBrayden
    All-Pro
    • Oct 2012
    • 747

    #46
    Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

    Originally posted by Hey_Rebby
    I don't understand why other legends refuse to sign on. Regardless what the compensation is, they are just turning down free money. The fans lose by not having them in the game and the former players lose with less $$$ in their wallets.
    Sometimes it's not about the money, sometimes it's about standing up for something or sending a message.

    I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong for staying out of the game (or that the reason they're staying out is bad or good), but I believe Barkley said he refuses because he doesn't like the way former players are treated by the NBA. If he feels that's the right thing to do, I'm not one to judge.
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    • BlessingSpore72
      MVP
      • Nov 2014
      • 1085

      #47
      Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

      I really hope KAJ is in the game. I just hope they dont use the same player model for for 72 and 87. it was pretty stupid in 2k15 when Onyx Wilt looked exactly like the Lakers Wilt
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      • Mauer4MVP
        MVP
        • Mar 2010
        • 2407

        #48
        Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

        Originally posted by ATLBrayden
        Sometimes it's not about the money, sometimes it's about standing up for something or sending a message.

        I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong for staying out of the game (or that the reason they're staying out is bad or good), but I believe Barkley said he refuses because he doesn't like the way former players are treated by the NBA. If he feels that's the right thing to do, I'm not one to judge.
        Yeah, it's a dumb way to get that message across, though. It's not like 2k has any say in how the NBA treats retired players (which is better than the NFL at least).

        If he really feels so strongly, why did he and is he covering the NBA in the first place?
        Last edited by Mauer4MVP; 09-17-2015, 08:27 AM.

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        • daveberg
          MVP
          • Sep 2008
          • 2788

          #49
          Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

          Originally posted by Mauer4MVP
          Yeah, it's a dumb way to get that message across, though. It's not like 2k has any say in how the NBA treats retired players (which is better than the NFL at least).

          If he really felt so strongly, why did he and is he covering the NBA in the first place?
          This ^^^

          Same applies for Reggie and C.Webb. WHy refuse to have anything to do with an NBA GAME, yet are absolutely fine WORKING for the NBA providing their analysis??

          Makes zero sense.

          Anyhow, not gonna get my hopes up about KAJ, even if he is in, if the body types and uniforms are still off, then they'll be little point using the legends.
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          • redsox4evur
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2013
            • 18169

            #50
            Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

            I can explain this pretty easily. NBA 2K, and any other NBA basketball all make the NBA money in many different ways. Whether it be through licenses, legends likenesses, etc. So Chuck, Reggie, C. Webb, etc. if they hate the way the league is treating it's retired players than by not allowing their likeness in a game they could cost the league money because there will be people who won't buy the game about it.

            And Dave, Barkley and Miller don't work for the league...they work for Turner Broadcasting System of Time Warner. C. Webb, we don't know the reason why he won't be in the game it could just be the $$$.
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            • Mauer4MVP
              MVP
              • Mar 2010
              • 2407

              #51
              Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

              Originally posted by redsox4evur
              I can explain this pretty easily. NBA 2K, and any other NBA basketball all make the NBA money in many different ways. Whether it be through licenses, legends likenesses, etc. So Chuck, Reggie, C. Webb, etc. if they hate the way the league is treating it's retired players than by not allowing their likeness in a game they could cost the league money because there will be people who won't buy the game about it.

              And Dave, Barkley and Miller don't work for the league...they work for Turner Broadcasting System of Time Warner. C. Webb, we don't know the reason why he won't be in the game it could just be the $$$.
              1. Chuck, Reggie, and C Webb aren't holding anyone back from buying the game.

              2. Yes, they work for Turner Broadcasting, but let's not act like they don't provide value to the NBA and make money for the NBA. If they really think they aren't then they are delusional.

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              • VDusen04
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2003
                • 13028

                #52
                Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                Originally posted by Mauer4MVP
                1. Chuck, Reggie, and C Webb aren't holding anyone back from buying the game.

                2. Yes, they work for Turner Broadcasting, but let's not act like they don't provide value to the NBA and make money for the NBA. If they really think they aren't then they are delusional.
                In all honesty, aside from Barkley's sprinkled comments through the years (first in 2012 regarding his disagreement with the league's retirement benefits for his former teammates and opponents, then deadpanning on Inside the NBA that he wouldn't appear on 2K "for free"), we don't really know the reason for players opting out.

                It could be as simple as someone wanting to have control of the use of their likeness and not wanting to feel pimped to a degree. Considering the discontent between Webber & the University of Michigan's profit off his likeness during his stay there, such an idea doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility.

                I think it's A-OK for those guys to opt out. It's their likeness, their life, and their choice. I wish they would join in, but I understand it. Or maybe there's just some kind of weird complications regarding other contracts or exclusivity we don't really know about, thus creating an issue.

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                • GisherJohn24
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 4596

                  #53
                  Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                  Originally posted by cthurt
                  So does this automatically mean he is back on the Lakers and the Bucks, or just available in Myteam? Don't want to get to excited yet.
                  Im' sure he will. I'm actually surprised he is back in the game, they must have given him a load of cash.

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                  • GisherJohn24
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 4596

                    #54
                    Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                    Originally posted by VDusen04
                    In all honesty, aside from Barkley's sprinkled comments through the years (first in 2012 regarding his disagreement with the league's retirement benefits for his former teammates and opponents, then deadpanning on Inside the NBA that he wouldn't appear on 2K "for free"), we don't really know the reason for players opting out.

                    It could be as simple as someone wanting to have control of the use of their likeness and not wanting to feel pimped to a degree. Considering the discontent between Webber & the University of Michigan's profit off his likeness during his stay there, such an idea doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility.

                    I think it's A-OK for those guys to opt out. It's their likeness, their life, and their choice. I wish they would join in, but I understand it. Or maybe there's just some kind of weird complications regarding other contracts or exclusivity we don't really know about, thus creating an issue.

                    Im amazed by any current, or former NBA player who is still complaing about "money".

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                    • GisherJohn24
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 4596

                      #55
                      Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                      Originally posted by Mauer4MVP
                      1. Chuck, Reggie, and C Webb aren't holding anyone back from buying the game.

                      2. Yes, they work for Turner Broadcasting, but let's not act like they don't provide value to the NBA and make money for the NBA. If they really think they aren't then they are delusional.

                      I was dumbfounded when they included the Kings team on 2k13 without Webber. About as insane as them including the 87 lakers and no Kareem. It's like, "what's the point" That's why I cherish 2k12, all the legends intact, even Webber. "Although I Dont know how they did, there were some rosters you could get and someone got Webber's face on the game, even on the consoles, not sure how they did that.

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                      • VDusen04
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 13028

                        #56
                        Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                        Originally posted by GisherJohn24
                        Im amazed by any current, or former NBA player who is still complaing about "money".
                        Well, in Barkley's case, he may have a point. I don't really know enough to be sure one way or another. He appeared to have concerns regarding the retirement benefits of players whose careers had ended. And I think that could be an important platform, particularly for a lot of players whom he played alongside prior to the salary explosion.

                        For instance, Clemon Johnson played with Barkley for two years in the mid-80's. Johnson played 10 solid years in the league, maxing out at $500,000 in his final season. Chances are, he's not still living off that money he made in 1988. Barkley seems to be looking out for guys like him, in terms of their retirement compensation from the league (or lack thereof).

                        And even for those players of the modern era who are particularly well off, I don't necessarily think it means they have a civic duty to give up their likeness for a number they may not find personally acceptable, particularly if they have some sort of disagreement or distaste with the product being pitched and/or the people doing the pitching. There's a lot of factors at play here.

                        Originally posted by GisherJohn24
                        I was dumbfounded when they included the Kings team on 2k13 without Webber. About as insane as them including the 87 lakers and no Kareem. It's like, "what's the point" That's why I cherish 2k12, all the legends intact, even Webber. "Although I Dont know how they did, there were some rosters you could get and someone got Webber's face on the game, even on the consoles, not sure how they did that.
                        Both Webber and Abdul-Jabbar agreed to terms with 2K for NBA 2K12, so the 2002 Kings, 1971 Bucks, and 1987 Lakers all made sense for inclusion.

                        In 2K13, 2K just happened to be nice enough to keep those teams on board even though they lost the rights to Webber and Abdul-Jabbar. That way, folks were just two create-a-players away (with all their signatures in tact) from having those squads loaded back up and ready to go. Created Webber looked pretty awesome, ditto '71 Abdul-Jabbar. The only real hang up came in '87, because a goggle-less Abdul-Jabbar stuck out like a sore thumb, but it was still way better than nothing.
                        Last edited by VDusen04; 09-17-2015, 09:10 AM.

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                        • cthurt
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 2525

                          #57
                          Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                          All this Barkley video game talk always reminds me that he had his own basketball video game back in the day called Barkley's Shut up and Jam, man video games were so simple back then so much politics these days for basically a childhood hobby.

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                          • Mauer4MVP
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 2407

                            #58
                            Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                            Originally posted by VDusen04
                            Well, in Barkley's case, he may have a point. I don't really know enough to be sure one way or another. He appeared to have concerns regarding the retirement benefits of players whose careers had ended. And I think that could be an important platform, particularly for a lot of players whom he played alongside prior to the salary explosion.

                            For instance, Clemon Johnson played with Barkley for two years in the mid-80's. Johnson played 10 solid years in the league, maxing out at $500,000 in his final season. Chances are, he's not still living off that money he made in 1988. Barkley seems to be looking out for guys like him, in terms of their retirement compensation from the league (or lack thereof).

                            And even for those players of the modern era who are particularly well off, I don't necessarily means they have a civic duty to give up their likeness for a number they may not find personally acceptable, particularly if they have some sort of disagreement or distaste with the product being pitched and/or the people doing the pitching. There's a lot of factors at play here.

                            Both Webber and Abdul-Jabbar agreed to terms with 2K for NBA 2K12, so the 2002 Kings, 1971 Bucks, and 1987 Lakers all made sense for inclusion.

                            In 2K13, 2K just happened to be nice enough to keep those teams on board even though they lost the rights to Webber and Abdul-Jabbar. That way, folks were just two create-a-players away (with all their signatures in tact) from having those squads loaded back up and ready to go. Created Webbers looked pretty awesome, ditto '71 Abdul-Jabbars. The only real hang up came in '87, because a goggle-less Abdul-Jabbar stuck out like a sore thumb, but it was still way better than nothing.
                            I guess I personally don't see why the NBA has to be responsible for giving Clem Johnson a full salary to live off of. I think they should get health care coverage and some type of compensation, but that's kind of life. I'd be ecstatic if I got to play in the NBA for $500,000 and then had to get another job after that.

                            But absolutely, he has the right to not be in it. I'm just saying if it's his way at getting at the NBA then he shouldn't be on TNT either.

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                            • redsox4evur
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 18169

                              #59
                              Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                              Also this should be brought up. Guys aren't getting much $ for their likeness anyways. I don't know if it's a one time payment. But when doing research on Barkley and his situation. It turned out he only got $50K for having his likeness on the dream team. So if it's a one time payment that isn't a lot of money when this game is making a **** ton more, especially if it's over a number of years.
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                              • VDusen04
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 13028

                                #60
                                Re: Looks like Kareem is back in 2k

                                Originally posted by Mauer4MVP
                                I guess I personally don't see why the NBA has to be responsible for giving Clem Johnson a full salary to live off of. I think they should get health care coverage and some type of compensation, but that's kind of life. I'd be ecstatic if I got to play in the NBA for $500,000 and then had to get another job after that.

                                But absolutely, he has the right to not be in it. I'm just saying if it's his way at getting at the NBA then he shouldn't be on TNT either.
                                Yeah, I was going to clarify my statements on Johnson but kept it brief because the post was already kind of long, ha. If I had to guess, Barkley likely doesn't believe guys like Clem Johnson should be getting a full salary either. But retirement benefits are typically sticky situations in any profession, often regarding the details you mentioned, such a health care coverage and whatnot.

                                It's common for former employees to feel their fellow companions are under-compensated after retirement, and a lot of times, they're absolutely right. I don't know if Barkley's right in this case, but it wouldn't be surprising if there's something to it. I kind of appreciate that he appears to be looking out for his former co-workers.

                                Also, I'm not sure if his absence is flat out his way of sticking it to the NBA. I believe he was saying in 2012 that he was demanding a higher price than 2K was offering because he wanted all that cash donated to the NBA retirement fund ($50,000 versus $10,000 maybe... honestly struggling to recall). I guess maybe he felt getting lowballed wasn't going to cut it... until Jay-Z convinced him otherwise (which I never would have believed if Barkley didn't say so himself).

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