NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

[Bexthelegend]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

I don't belong in the "OVR doesn't matter" camp, and I've explained why in the other thread. It only doesn't matter if you only play online quick games with all manual substitutions.

And if even if OVR is just cosmetic, it's better that they get it right than not. There's no reason not to address discrepancies where it can be fixed. Michael Jordan being rated 80 who played the same would still be problematic.

See the only issue with OVR is that it's actually displayed. The best thing for 2k would be just to have ratings visable across the board and eliminate overall all together. You people complain regardless of whether their stats are accurate just because you feel player X should have a higher overall than Y. When it has no impact on how they play.

[Sundown]

NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

See the only issue with OVR is that it's actually displayed. The logical next step for 2k is just to just have ratings visable across the board. You people complain regardless of whether their stats are accurate just because you feel player X should have a higher overall than Y.

It's still used in the code, even with the improvements. I've elaborated on this further in the other thread. Repeating "OVR doesn't matter" here again doesn't make that true.

I want the stats to be accurate and the rankings to be accurate to their real life impact and value because I'm an NBA junkie. Apparently 2K is too because they've done a really good job outside of some discrepancies.

But I'm sorry I'm "you people". Heh.

[8KB24]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

How the **** do you rate his dribbling ability through any scale at all? It is a completely subjective matter. He is a quality playmaker and is a solid defensive player do to his length/height (which you say doesn't matter).

The guy has very few weaknesses on a basketball court other than his durability coming into question.

Like I said, I see very, very few NBA players of his stature that can play on the perimeter and score in the variety of ways that he does. And he's insanely efficient in doing so (even last year).

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

It doesn't matter because you correlated his dribling with height and basically said they warrant high rating just because he is 6'11. His dribling rating has nothing to do with his height. It should be compared to Iverson or whomever. And it's not that good. I'd put it at 77-80 because he can handle the pnr and has solid handles but nothing super advanced. Playmaking would be 5-6 points below Kobe's and he was average on defense last year and year before. Doesn't really translate to higher overall does it?

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

It doesn't matter because you correlated his dribling with height and basically said they warrant high rating just because he is 6'11. His dribling rating has nothing to do with his height. It should be compared to Iverson or whomever. And it's not that good. I'd put it at 77-80 because he can handle the pnr and has solid handles but nothing super advanced. Playmaking would be 5-6 points below Kobe's and he was average on defense last year and year before. Doesn't really translate to higher defense.

You are too caught up in this silly "HOF" scale when last time I checked there isn't any statistic for ball handling. Comparing a 6'11" SF ball handling to a 5'11 SG is rather silly. Like I said (for the third time), his ball handling and playmaking are advanced relative to his height.

I don't see a lot of near 7 foot tall players handling the ball on the perimeter and setting up their teammates. Which are both things that Durant can and does do very, very well.

What Bryant and Iverson WERE capable of has no baring on accurately depicting Kevin Durant's skillset. And he's an average one - on - one defender but compensates for that with his ability to contest shots and play the passing lanes do to his length.

This why I hate this silly "HOF" scale rating system, now people are going to act as though guys that played during the last 15 - 20 years are the end all, be all.

As if no one picked up a ball and played prior to Bryant, Iverson and Jordan. And much of what this supposed scale encompasses is entirely subjective.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

[8KB24]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

You are too caught up in this silly "HOF" scale when last time I checked there isn't any statistic for ball handling. Comparing a 6'11" SF ball handling to a 5'11 SG is rather silly. Like I said (for the third time), his ball handling and playmaking are advanced relative to his height.

I don't see a lot of near 7 foot tall players handling the ball on the perimeter and setting up their teammates. Which are both things that Durant can and does do very, very well.

What Bryant and Iverson WERE capable of has no baring on accurately depicting Kevin Durant's skillset. And he's an average one - on - one defender but compensates for that with his ability to contest shots and play the passing lanes do to his length.

This why I hate this silly "HOF" scale rating system, now people are going to act as though guys that played during the last 15 - 20 years are the end all, be all.

As if no one picked up a ball and played prior to Bryant, Iverson and Jordan. And much of what this supposed scale encompasses is entirely subjective.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

Just the fact that you think that KD shouldn't be compared to GOAT ball handler when discussing ball handling is..idk man...I can't discuss seriously this topic with you when you say something like that. He's not advanced compared to everyone in last 40-ish years. He's average. Also Kobe even last season was capable playmaker. I know you have a certain disdain towards him but he was good playmaker last year.

What Bryant and Iverson WERE capable of has no baring on accurately depicting Kevin Durant's skillset.

Actually it does. I thought KD was comparable playmaker to Kobe since KD average 5+ assists in 2014 but he certainly IS, WAS and WILL BE worse playmaker than Kobe IS even at 36/37. Because you compare players to everyone...ever...at least to those who have advanced stats available for comparision. And that's why KD isn't a 94 or whatever number you want him to be. Average ball handler, slightly below average playmaker, average defender, great rebounder and GOAT-ish scorer.

[Rain723]

Again, these look pretty much spot on. But I tend to agree with most other people saying KD should be rated a couple points higher. there shouldn't be that much separation between KD and Lebron. And Harden definitely shouldn't be rated higher. But it's expected that Harden and Curry get a little bump because they're on the cover. And Curry just won a ring and an mvp so he probably got an added boost. Playing against GSW and Houston is going to be tough this year.

[Rain723]

Another thing I'm noticing is ppl arguing certain players should be rated higher because they do a lot more than others. But, being more versatile doesn't NECESSARILY make you better. It can a lot of the time but not all the time. For example, I'll say that Giannis is a little more versatile than KD. But is he a better player than KD? Absolutely not. Boris Diaw is much more versatile than Melo but he is nowhere near the threat that Carmelo Anthony is on the court. Versatility doesn't necessarily mean superiority.

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

Just the fact that you think that KD shouldn't be compared to GOAT ball handler when discussing ball handling is..idk man...I can't discuss seriously this topic with you when you say something like that. He's not advanced compared to everyone in last 40-ish years. He's average. Also Kobe even last season was capable playmaker. I know you have a certain disdain towards him but he was good playmaker last year.

Actually it does. I thought KD was comparable playmaker to Kobe since KD average 5+ assists in 2014 but he certainly IS, WAS and WILL BE worse playmaker than Kobe IS even at 36/37. Because you compare players to everyone...ever...at least to those who have advanced stats available for comparision. And that's why KD isn't a 94 or whatever number you want him to be. Average ball handler, slightly below average playmaker, average defender, great rebounder and GOAT-ish scorer.

If you truly believe that Durant is below average in anything involving basketball than the argument is already over. He isn't LeBron James or Larry Bird, but he isn't close to below average in his play making ability.

Durant is the second best player in the NBA and you attempting to minimize that point (by comparing him to players of vastly different sizes and positions) isn't going to change it. The only thing that should have been knocked down is his durability and nothing more.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

[Rain723]

You are too caught up in this silly "HOF" scale when last time I checked there isn't any statistic for ball handling. Comparing a 6'11" SF ball handling to a 5'11 SG is rather silly. Like I said (for the third time), his ball handling and playmaking are advanced relative to his height.

I don't see a lot of near 7 foot tall players handling the ball on the perimeter and setting up their teammates. Which are both things that Durant can and does do very, very well.

What Bryant and Iverson WERE capable of has no baring on accurately depicting Kevin Durant's skillset. And he's an average one - on - one defender but compensates for that with his ability to contest shots and play the passing lanes do to his length.

This why I hate this silly "HOF" scale rating system, now people are going to act as though guys that played during the last 15 - 20 years are the end all, be all.

As if no one picked up a ball and played prior to Bryant, Iverson and Jordan. And much of what this supposed scale encompasses is entirely subjective.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

Comparing a 6'11 ball handler to a 5'11 ball handler is absolutely fair when talking ratings because they are measured on the same rating scale. Forget the whole hall of fame scale thing. Compared to TODAY'S elite ball handlers KD isn't even close. A 70 ball handling is great for a 7 footer (not saying that's what KD's should be). But that isn't elite when compared to all positions. No attribute rating is height/position based. It's based on a player's proficiency regardless of height/position. Rondo is a great rebounder for a guard. But should his rebounding be in the 80's like some of the better rebounding big men? No not at all.

[DC]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Small Forwards

Melo may be a point too high but no biggie. Clearly, he got the benefit of doubt on his injury where Durant did not. That's my problem. So did Wesley Matthews, coming off of a serious achilles injury.

What does this even mean ?

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

Make y'all own rosters then

[J_Posse]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

Comparing a 6'11 ball handler to a 5'11 ball handler is absolutely fair when talking ratings because they are measured on the same rating scale. Forget the whole hall of fame scale thing. Compared to TODAY'S elite ball handlers KD isn't even close. A 70 ball handling is great for a 7 footer (not saying that's what KD's should be). But that isn't elite when compared to all positions. No attribute rating is height/position based. It's based on a player's proficiency regardless of height/position. Rondo is a great rebounder for a guard. But should his rebounding be in the 80's like some of the better rebounding big men? No not at all.

Yes, that's what scaling is for the non-objective ratings. You would scale or cap Durant's ballhandling relative to his position (let's say 25 - 70) just like you would scale speed or quickness for big men (for example 25 - 70) relative to the position.

Rondo is an elite rebounder (or was) for a point guard, but there is a formula in place to quantify his rebounding ability. No such formula exists for speed, quickness, offensive/defensive IQ, ball handling so they are all left up to the opinion of the roster editor.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

[Rain723]

Yes, that's what scaling is for the non-objective ratings. You would scale or cap Durant's ballhandling relative to his position (let's say 25 - 70) just like you would scale speed or quickness for big men (for example 25 - 70) relative to the position.

Rondo is an elite rebounder (or was) for a point guard, but there is a formula in place to quantify his rebounding ability. No such formula exists for speed, quickness, offensive/defensive IQ, ball handling so they are all left up to the opinion of the roster editor.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

I guess I can kind of see your point on that. There's no definite formula of rating something like ball handling. But at the same time, can you honestly say that KD's ball handling is on the same level as someone like Kyrie or CP3 or Steph?

[2KUte]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

Hayward will get a boost once he makes the all star team this year, can't really complain about it now. These ratings looks correct.

[Sundown]

Re: NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Small Forwards (UPDATED)

I guess I can kind of see your point on that. There's no definite formula of rating something like ball handling. But at the same time, can you honestly say that KD's ball handling is on the same level as someone like Kyrie or CP3 or Steph?

Sure KD's ball handling isn't on those guys' level, but it's in "average good guard" territory, which is insane for a 6-11 player. The OVR formula should recognize that, because that is game changing.