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  • HeavenlyTouch
    Rookie
    • Sep 2007
    • 409

    #931
    Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

    lAllstar is still a decent difficulty to play at, I don't know how some of you are enjoying superstar. The AI is absolutely cheating at all levels and there is zero fun in it. You can barely break/shake the defender even with star players regardless of how good your iso skills are, they make perfect passes in every single situation and always make the right pass/play/score at any given moment. I just don't find it to be realistic, you literally have to play god-mode the entire game every game just to stay competitive, let alone win the match. At least on All-star its back and forth and more enjoyable.

    In years past I could take AI on superstar and it felt far more authentic, but this feels like some of the early 2k iterations where computer on superstar was just a cheat code on both ends.

    BTW for online play, points of emphasis:

    Conservative defense
    Limit Transition
    Crash defensive glass
    Protect the paint

    (these just guarantee your team absolutely sits their *** at one end and doesn't do anything funky)

    This works for me.. my bigs are usually always in position on pick and rolls and I can recover really quick when changing players.. whenever anyone tries to go heavy on the pick and roll I just move back with my big and shift back and forth between my two defenders (you have to constantly click back and forth between them and position them if you want to play it right, if you stick to one you'll get burned by the roll/pop man badly). If you strictly use your guard/wing to defense the pick, your big will automatically hedge high and the opposing big will slip past him and go down the middle or baseline unimpeded for a wide open dunk. Once you go over the pick with your guard or you run into the pick, switch to your big and put him back further, this way you're always behind the roller and you're already in position if he tries to throw it to the big. I'd much rather take my chances to contest a mid range jumper to the ball handler than give up dunk after dunk to the roller.

    Read the screen coming, go over top of it/go under it against a bad shooter (Rondo etc.), force them to bad spots like the baseline where its more jammed up with teammates and there is less spacing, you can do that by bumping 'em as soon as you get around the pick.

    I'll show you guys some videos later of how I bump Tyson Chandler off the spot on every roll, it worked to great success - he abused the PnR earlier in the game and tried going to it late in the game to win and on multiple possessions I just bumped into Chandler with Gobert and forced him forward instead of toward the rim. You have to get physical with the roller using your big. That being said, when I played the pick and roll strong, some guys have adjusted and chose to play heavy on the pick and pop with guys like Bargnani/Bosh etc, and that was difficult for me to deal with.. I had to put Booker in to be more mobile and sat Favors for long stretches and it worked out great because I could run to contest their stretch bigs much faster on the pop. This feels like real life to me, if I adjust and play the Pick and roll well, they adjusted and brought in stretch bigs, so its a chess match.

    Also I still see a lot of guys jumping etc. Stop jumping, use up on the stick on defense and ever so slightly move your left stick into their body as they're shooting and keep shifting it with the direction they move - in the post I get a lot of guys to miss easy hooks just by using hands up - and same on their kickouts, only commit to the jump when you're absolutely sure you got the timing down and that you'll get the block (usually best time to jump is on help defense when you see them committing to the drive).

    After you score, switch back quickly to your bigs and run their *** back up court, place them firmly in your painted area and switch back to your guards to defend. Do not, I repeat DO NOT try to full court press ever in this game, it is WAY too easy to turbo past your defender if you try this and I burn a lot of guys who try to full court press me with either their PG or their entire team.

    This game requires a lot of adjustments, you actually need to do plenty of work defensively - you can't just sit with one player and do nothing.

    Also, Subbing in the right bench guys at the right time can actually work wonders. Trevor Booker has literally turned entire games around for me by hitting a big 3 coming off a screen, or grabbing huge rebounds and put backs around the rim; same with Rodney Hood, he's always in good position for my guys, sits in the corners and on the wings and waits for me to make plays and just hits jumper after jumper. He'll even fly in for the occasional big rebound or block when I need it most.

    Even when guys have tried to cheese me I'm always able to switch quickly and recover inside to contest shots and block them, so unlike years past a lot of these issues can be dealt with easily on defense.

    I'm 20-2 online and I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Yeah, some games guys try **** and it usually works first half and it's a close game. By second half I just adjust with the personnel but also with how I play their exploits and I'm able to take a commanding lead. They try to go heavy on base line? Shade them away from the base line and force them to turbo back center, take your hand off L2 and R2 back to the mid and then switch back to L2 again.. keep bumping into them using L2.. get nice and close so they can't get off a string of moves and blow by you. You have to know when to back off a little bit and then when to get close, this constant bumping is a pain in the *** for the opposing guy, he'll get frustrated when he can't blow by you and try to force a tough 3 with another player. You'll notice AI do this to you and it stops your guy from getting into a string of animations.

    A lot of times if they do try to go heavy on sideline/baseline against me and blow by, I quickly run over with Gobert and cut it off or block the shot.. so you gotta make the switch really quick just like real life and get in there and make it hard on them. A lot of guys just see the person blow by on the sideline / baseline and try to chase him with the same wing player that was playing defense.... not sure why... just switch to the bigs asap.

    I've also had plenty of games where guys play fair, and even when both of us try a quick pass up wing, both defenses are back already because of those POE's I talked about, so getting transition points was actually extremely hard.

    Anyway, just trying to translate some of the things I've found to be successful over to the guys who are finding online to be a hassle. I'm absolutely loving it and won't stop playing it. You can stop so many of the exploits and they aren't nearly as bad as you think they are.

    My record and margin of victory (before latest win):

    Last edited by HeavenlyTouch; 10-07-2015, 09:06 PM.

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    • j_major32
      Rookie
      • Sep 2015
      • 8

      #932
      Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

      Maybe one of the most fun games I've ever played. Fluid. AI is great and is challenging. Couple nit picky things here and there, but overall, great job 2k!

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      • The 24th Letter
        ERA
        • Oct 2007
        • 39373

        #933
        Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

        FANTASTIC post Heavenly Touch....Are the Jazz a T2 or T3 team? Regardless....impressive....love your approach.

        Yours a lot different from mine but I think that's the beauty of it....finding different ways to thrive despite some exploits/flaws. Doing so until it is addressed isn't saying that there's nothing that can be tweaked...or that every thing is perfect...game is just too good to throw your hands up about every misstep...

        I've actually fared pretty well online myself, even through I'm probably not playing at optimum level because of my camera angle....if I can fight transition abuse on Broadcast Stadium anyone can, lol






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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47562

          #934
          Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

          Originally posted by The 24th Letter
          FANTASTIC post Heavenly Touch....Are the Jazz a T2 or T3 team? Regardless....impressive....love your approach.

          Yours a lot different from mine but I think that's the beauty of it....finding different ways to thrive despite some exploits/flaws. Doing so until it is addressed isn't saying that there's nothing that can be tweaked...or that every thing is perfect...game is just too good to throw your hands up about every misstep...

          I've actually fared pretty well online myself, even through I'm probably not playing at optimum level because of my camera angle....if I can fight transition abuse on Broadcast Stadium anyone can, lol






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          i think their a tier 2 team. I've been using them and the Kings
          Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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          • Chairman7w
            MVP
            • Mar 2006
            • 1490

            #935
            Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

            After 40 or so games, I have some further observations.

            - Might be the best sports game I've ever played

            - I made a bad pass, and it got stolen, and the AI had a lead and it looked like a dunk coming. Kevin Harlan said excitedly: "This one's gonna be good!!!" but I had a much faster player and actually cut it off and the AI backed out and reset their offense. There was no mention of it, or of his erroneous call... And THAT actually surprised me. Which, to me, shows how spoiled we are with this amazing game. It takes a strange situation like that to kind of trip it up. To me, it was more amazing that they didn't comment on it, than it was that there was actually a bit of a flub

            - Playing against the CPU, and Anthony Davis got the ball out on the wing. He stood there and dribbled until the shot clock got to 3, then launched a brick. This used to happen all the time in previous versions, and this is the first time I've seen it in this year's game.

            - I love the way the CPU teammates will cut when a defender overplays them. I'm dribbling at the top and my teammate runs out to the left wing to receive a pass. The CPU smothers him so I can't pass it, and then the CPU defender gets a bit of a lean towards center court. Immediately (and it was NOT part of the play call), my teammate breaks to the hoop. I hit him in stride for an easy layup. Just beautiful.

            - Said it before and I'll say it again: "No shot clock cheese!!!" In old versions, the CPU was ridiculous at draining contested shots as the shot clock beeped down. That doesn't happen any more.

            - I think this is the best year of Sports Gaming I've ever had. Madden 16; MLB 15 The Show; Project Cars/Drive Club; NBA 2K16; and The Golf Club are all GREAT games, and as good as any before in their respective sports (in my humble opinion). I'm in sports gaming heaven.

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            • abuC
              Banned
              • Oct 2003
              • 1123

              #936
              Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

              Originally posted by HeavenlyTouch
              I shoot corner 3's all the time with Hood, Burks, and Hayward and hit them at various rates... yeah the 3 pt %'s overall are a little lower than I'd like them to be (most games I see both teams struggling mightily from 3 - with the occasional decent percentage), but overall it still feels OK. I would way rather see teams shoot like 1/5, 2/4, 2/6 3/9 type thing on 3's than some crazy %'s and a high volume.

              I have a ton of highlights of my guys swishing corner 3's. A lot of guys in this game that I've faced try to shoot quick as soon as they get it, it just doesn't work like that. When your player catches it, give them a second to gather and then start your motion.

              I don't need or want every three to go in, the problem I have is that the corner three is a lower percentage shot than the wing. I can make wing threes, but my guys struggle to make the corner three in comparison. Like I said, just leave someone open on the wing and the odds of them making it are ridiculously high, I've given the shot to Exum, Rubio, Smart by backing off them and daring them to take it, they do and it goes in more than my attempts with open corner threes.

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              • abuC
                Banned
                • Oct 2003
                • 1123

                #937
                Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                Originally posted by Dione2014
                <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/e1VJx5xTozQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VhBJrokUS-o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                In this clip i'm the Rockets. Take a look at Dwight Howard, i'm not controlling him. He get's out of position on purpose. This really pissed me off because it happens way too often. Guys leave their man for no good reason in this game. Just bad translation of difficulty in otherwise an amazing game by 2K this year.
                I played the Warriors last night online, and almost every time Curry got the ball Rudy Gay would leave Draymond Green wide open at the top of the key. I set defensive off-ball pressure to "Tight" then "deny" on Green and no matter what happened when I was guarding the ball Gay would just move away from Green for no reason and he'd get a wide open three.

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                • HeavenlyTouch
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 409

                  #938
                  Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                  Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                  FANTASTIC post Heavenly Touch....Are the Jazz a T2 or T3 team? Regardless....impressive....love your approach.

                  Yours a lot different from mine but I think that's the beauty of it....finding different ways to thrive despite some exploits/flaws. Doing so until it is addressed isn't saying that there's nothing that can be tweaked...or that every thing is perfect...game is just too good to throw your hands up about every misstep...

                  I've actually fared pretty well online myself, even through I'm probably not playing at optimum level because of my camera angle....if I can fight transition abuse on Broadcast Stadium anyone can, lol






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                  I think I saw that Miami vid you posted and while I like the angle's ability to see the overall court and where guys are, I would think it's harder to time releases because you're looking from a diagonal birds eye view angle. I still prefer 2k view overall, but the only frustrating thing with 2k view is when you cause a turnover, get the ball, and then the camera does a quick 180 pan and you have no idea who's behind you.. your guy just runs into a leg or a back and you lose the ball or run out of bounds because the sudden camera change disorients you as to your placement on the court.

                  They're a tier 2 team, but their offensive ranking is 24. It's actually sneaky because they aren't nearly that bad. They have a lot of playmakers and shooters, a post presence with Favors, and Gobert gobbles up a lot of putbacks/alley oops/garbage points/offensive rebounds. Exum is still available in this game until the next patch which makes it a bit cheaper. I don't imagine I'll be able to use the Jazz nearly as much when they take Exum out. His on-ball defense is intense. He doesn't have much of a jumper, but he has crazy handles, passing, and he's really fast. There are many plays where I'm just weaving in and out with him and getting into the teeth of the defense and just moving the ball outside/swinging around until I find the open shooter from top side to corner. The offensive ranking means little in this case, and it deters a lot of guys from using teams that are actually dominant.

                  One of the things I like with the Jazz is that not only are Favors and Gobert very good at what big men need to be good at, but Gobert's length/wingspan causes him to get a lot of steals. Guys try to pass over top on pick and rolls and he just stands there and picks it off for me (AI help). This happens a lot because he has the longest wingspan in the game (other than Caboclo I guess). This is why using wingspan teams really helps, it's what I also liked about using the Bucks (their problem is if Middleton is off then jumpshooting is really problematic as MCW is hot garbage from outside).

                  All in all I'd tell people to use wingspan teams that are defensive oriented, have mismatches in multiple positions/guys that can be shifted around between 2-3 positions, handles, shooters, and some post game. There are plenty of ways to beat the top teams using a tier 2 - tier 3 team.

                  Take the Magic for example, they are completely underrated. You have athleticism/wingspan/running across the board. They'll cause a lot of turnovers and you can get out and run but also play the half court because there are enough shooters and post up threats (Harris/Vucevic).

                  I tend to lean on these teams because I have a lot of lineup versatility, but the defense is suffocating due to the length/steals/contests. I can create my own offense regardless, so I don't need superstars to help me.
                  Last edited by HeavenlyTouch; 10-07-2015, 09:22 PM.

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                  • mvpd34
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 31

                    #939
                    Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                    i think there are some defensive kinks to be worked out.

                    i also dont see effective double teams of stars or players that are hot by the cpu

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                    • kuo24
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 32

                      #940
                      Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                      Might need to rebalance on the defensive end. Too easy to do midrange jumpers and pick & rolls. More non-shooting fouls can also add to realism. But all in all, great game.

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                      • Dione2014
                        Pro
                        • Dec 2014
                        • 720

                        #941
                        Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        I had a bad instance like that on the perimeter..

                        Dion Waiters just straight up left someone he was guarding at the 3 point line...

                        usually I can say "ok, he shouldn't have left, but this is WHY he left" when checking the replay...but in this case I have no earthly idea.

                        It was NBA 2K9 bad, lol
                        Here is another instance below of this happening in my Lakers Myleauge. Keep an eye on Metta. This is starting to get out of hand man. Glad to know i'm not crazy at least lol

                        <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kOpGO-Tzlxw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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                        • droopizzle34
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 772

                          #942
                          Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                          this game is fun, and it is so fun that I can get a different competitive game from the CPU each time I play so I can miss the cheese of online. The living world coaches really strategize against you. its nice.


                          ex. I was OKC playing LAC and KD was scoring at will. The next quarter CP3 was guarding him, making him work for every shot. I say, hey, I'll just post him, and CP3 would strip him in the post or a double team would come.


                          great stuff, GREAT game.
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                          • uchia308
                            Just started!
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 3

                            #943
                            Honestly the 9 out of 10 is fair due to the fact that no other sports game has demonstrated a genius balance of modes and improved the game play dramatically from the previous year. However I am extremely disappointed that i cannot "be the story." If I was able to choose what happens in said story ( ex. choosing to keep rocking with Vic,) that would've been amazing. But as you all know, that is not the case. I stand by this statement that 2k14 (current gen)had the best my career so far as far as story lines go. I know Jackson Ellis could be corny sometimes but that rivalry was insane. It made playing those games all the more worthwhile. I mean having to actually do whatever the wager's consequences (or see them if you won) were amazing. On top of (even though they didnt speak) interacting with your teammates was crazy. I recall becoming the starting pg (over John wall) and he approached me saying if you are whats best to win then i have no qualms over you starting and then in an rpg fashion you get to decide how to respond (like a good guy or an a hole) and how you choose to respond had a direct effect on the court ( and off ) with john wall. I mean that is insane. When it came to endorsements and agents, being poached by a bigger agency riding in the back of limos getting promised more deals more money and faster than your best friend could deliver i mean this is so much depth its crazy. Lastly the minute details like riding in the plane on the loading screens on away games or in your car to home games and not mention the rookie hazing by vets. I mean it was crazy the amount of content packed into one game.


                            I know they went in a different direction in 15 but even that game had qualities that 16 could use. The interaction with your coaches and the players on your team. even the weird rivalry with an nba superstar (and dante exum regardless of position, seriously why him?) were good ideas that just needed a bit more polish. if they built on what they did with jackson ellis in 14 and combined that with exum and your superstar rival it would've been much better.

                            I brought focus to 14' and 15' to say if they combined the narrative of 16' with the style and details of 14 ( CHOICES you make to actually BE THE STORY limo rides, choosing agents real rivalries, cut scenes that actually matter, teammate bonding and chemistry on and off the court etc) with 15's more on the court approach with the film room and coaches playing a more significant role, and Exum and NBA star rivalry (with a Jackson Ellis type approach) my career would be perfect. It as if they have three incomplete games and all they simply need to do is combine them. The recipe for the perfect my career is right in front of them just make the three parts one. ( no spike lee doesn't have to do it even though personally i enjoyed it myself). (oh and bring the ability to complain to the gm or staff back.. i really liked that touch about my career. I like that freedom to have a voice with my front office.

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                            • HeavenlyTouch
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 409

                              #944
                              Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                              Hey AbuC, I tested out the corner 3 pt shooting today in about 3 games.. nailed 5/8 3's the first game (4 from the corner, 2 from each side), 3 3's the next game (2 from the corner), and my last game nailed 3 3's from the corner (he quit 3rd quarter so I couldn't shoot anymore).

                              I'm really not having trouble with corner shots. Check your players hotspots and see if they suck from the corners or something.. Hood is swishing multiple corner 3's for me every game.. holy **** is that dude a beast in this game!! he's only rated 70 but he drains everything. He's just slow and doesn't have moves, but if you have other guys to set him up he literally doesn't miss.
                              Last edited by HeavenlyTouch; 10-08-2015, 06:42 AM.

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                              • The 24th Letter
                                ERA
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 39373

                                #945
                                Re: NBA 2K16 Available Today, Post Your Impressions Here

                                RE: CPU defending the paint

                                https://vid.me/RNh9

                                This is my experience the majority of the time....these are all CPU steals...their hands being active was something j actually liked this year...

                                Now there were times even in this game where my guys did some dumb swim move to take them out of position...there needs to be better awareness there...

                                I feel enough of what's in the video happens to even it out though...


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