Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Matches??

[edmosaur]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Hey OP, I know EXACTLY what you mean because this is one of my main tactics. And it's been used on me a lot too.

But with everything in 2k, for each tactic there is a counter. That's the beauty of the game.

HOW TO COUNTER IT

1. When the game is loading (where you choose your lineup), go into your defence settings and for the last option for Defence, choose the option to 'RUN BACK IN TRANSITION'. This means your guys won't go for offensive boards, they'll run back as soon as you take a shot. This helps with giving you guys to defend the fast break.

2. Stop taking 3's all the time. If they like fast breaking, either:
- do some work with your low-post player
- or drive to the basket
This slows the game down, you might draw a foul and if you miss, it's a short rebound. All of these things reduce their ability to cherry pick.

3. When taking 3's, don't do it when they expect it. I.e. when their defense is all set up and not moving.
If you drive and kick and pass and make their defense scramble, and then shoot the OPEN 3, then they're not in the best position to cherry pick.

And if you're wide open, you're also more likely to make it.

4. Lastly, if they are anticipating for your three, fake the shot and drive.


I love this game and play plenty of online matches. Hope these tips help you! Let me know if you guys have any other ideas!

[daveberg]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

This MUST be patched ASAP. It is destroying the SIM experience for Online mode. By the way, I think this is the only exploit I've found so far.

Lol - playing online will never be 'sim'.

No matter how realistic you may play, there's always a plethora of guys out there waiting to play the game as badly as possible so long as it results in a win.

Only chance you've got playing 'sim' online, is to only play trusted players you know can legitimately hoop, or join a Sim league. (Even the ones I used to play in had cheesers, it's just the nature of online play)

It's crap like the issues you described that made me stop hooping online.

I'm offline exclusively now.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

^^^

What's funny is that the CPU does it too! lol

I had a guy that was successful doing this against me on a couple of possessions

changing my POE and slowing the game down worked and I eventually ended up winning...but I hate having to take my guys off of the offensive boards to do it.

SN: speaking of slowing the game down, stripping the post seems way too easy!

[Taer]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

^^^

What's funny is that the CPU does it too! lol

I had a guy that was successful doing this against me on a couple of possessions

changing my POE and slowing the game down worked and I eventually ended up winning...but I hate having to take my guys off of the offensive boards to do it.

SN: speaking of slowing the game down, stripping the post seems way too easy!

Isn't it a good thing to have the cpu do things that a human competitor would?

I do commend you on adjusting your game to deal with the threat and adjusting your game to win. This is exactly what I hope most, if not all, knowledgeable people would do. Well done.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Isn't it a good thing to have the cpu do things that a human competitor would?

I do commend you on adjusting your game to deal with the threat and adjusting your game to win. This is exactly what I hope most, if not all, knowledgeable people would do. Well done.

Thanks sir. I'm old school man.

Adjust before complain....

I'm way too stubborn for that, haha


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[Kstat]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

This is absolutely a problem. I had several instances where guys were cherry picking off of made baskets and got dunks before any of my defenders got back on D. That's unacceptable.

I had A guy just camp lebron under his own basket for 4 quarters and while I shot better than 60%, his team shot %75 and LeBron scored 50 simply because of that.

Now I know not every score results in a quick inbounds pass, but enough of them do to make this a viable tactic. Not to mention you're going to inevitably miss some open shots even playing 5 on 4, and every one of those that gets rebounded turns into an auto-dunk.

I understand the concept of taking good shots, but when the ball goes through the ****ing hoop, that should be a transition-free zone, at least for layups and dunks.

This is something that should be fairly simple to patch. I expect it will be.

[GoodOldMachine]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

This is absolutely a problem. I had several instances where guys were cherry picking off of made baskets and got dunks before any of my defenders got back on D. That's unacceptable.

I had A guy just camp lebron under his own basket for 4 quarters and while I shot better than 60%, his team shot %75 and LeBron scored 50 simply because of that.

Now I know not every score results in a quick inbounds pass, but enough of them do to make this a viable tactic. Not to mention you're going to inevitably miss some open shots even playing 5 on 4, and every one of those that gets rebounded turns into an auto-dunk.

I understand the concept of taking good shots, but when the ball goes through the ****ing hoop, that should be a transition-free zone, at least for layups and dunks.

This is something that should be fairly simple to patch. I expect it will be.

That's pretty SAD. Sad but true. People camping under the basket using Lebron/Melo/Durant as PG all game long makes the cherrypicking simply UNSTOPPABLE.
Even though you put Limit Transition and whatever tactic the system provides for, your transitions D is glued and slow getting back as opposed to the cherrypickng who gets a Speed Boost on steroids. Its like the game incentives the quick fast speedy layups coming from the cherrypick.

[Blackhail92]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

this is an interesting topic. I am nba rank online and have over 30 wins with the knicks, so i have experience. From my experience, a lot of people do try to do football passes, the problem with that is this games AI is very smart therefore doing something multiple times will eventually be stopped. IF i were you I would run back with the big men to get close enough then would change players because only computer steals are usually successful sadly, if you try you will probably tip the ball and it will find its way back to one of the opponents teammates. While it is annoying some football passes still go over their heads so its not too bad. Honestly there isnt much cheese used online besides maybe the pick and roll cheese by users who know exactly how to make your player magnetize to the screen setter and go the opposite way. Its mainly about adjustments.

I love online besides everyone using the cavs lol. Only issue is the fact that when you are locking up your opponent with user defense, after a couple of plays they always seem to get fouls and and ones to sort of, keep them in the game. Very annoying.

[VinsanityLives]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I am on forsure board with this being a problem now after my last chunk of matches. It's really crappy because I use teams with 2 bigs mostly, so they can't get back in time even on normal inbounds.

Teams like Cavs, Thunder, GS, the usual...can and will abuse the crap out of this.

I just hope they fix it, but DO NOT slow down inbounding again I HATE HATE HATED that. A easy fix would be to have defenses get back quicker and stop fiddling around taking their time to turn around.

If it's a steal or great defensive stop/block absolutely you should get rewarded a fast break if not wide open one. I love wide open breaks from steals, but not off of a made shot on the other end or a missed layup.

I like that bigs move slower, but allow them to turn around and be smarter on getting back. I am literally grabbing these guys and SPRINTING back full turbo after every shot and they still get beat by stupid Lebron cherry pick baseline dunks.



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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

this is an interesting topic. I am nba rank online and have over 30 wins with the knicks, so i have experience. From my experience, a lot of people do try to do football passes, the problem with that is this games AI is very smart therefore doing something multiple times will eventually be stopped. IF i were you I would run back with the big men to get close enough then would change players because only computer steals are usually successful sadly, if you try you will probably tip the ball and it will find its way back to one of the opponents teammates. While it is annoying some football passes still go over their heads so its not too bad. Honestly there isnt much cheese used online besides maybe the pick and roll cheese by users who know exactly how to make your player magnetize to the screen setter and go the opposite way. Its mainly about adjustments.

I love online besides everyone using the cavs lol. Only issue is the fact that when you are locking up your opponent with user defense, after a couple of plays they always seem to get fouls and and ones to sort of, keep them in the game. Very annoying.

I want to touch on this subject. Is the AI REALLY successful at disrupting/steal the pass? I haven't played anyone who exclusively used this tactic (yet, but I know they're coming), so I'm basing my experience on previous titles. The problem was that user couldn't time the steal/deflection accurately regardless if you knew that it was going to happen. Of course, that's assuming you didn't deflect it another offensive player.

In the past games, the AI was dumb as rocks. You could run the player to defend, and switch off; however, the player world "seek" it's matchup instead of tracking the ball for the steal.

If this is a viable option, then I'll give up my "play my own defense mentality" since the AI will intercept those passes more times than not.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

The AI is the best it's been in a long time as far as deflecting obvious passes in traffic IMO

Some still get through of course...but it's much improved

[zrohman]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I just hope they don't try to fix this by making full court passes impossible.... NBA players could cherry pick all day in real life. ... and most full court passes are successful. .

But the difference is they can adjust in real life. I haven't seen this issue but if there is legitimate adjustment and even the best of players can't stop it, that's probably just an a.i issue.

Please don't band aid by ruining full court passes

[takki]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

Yeah, this may be the first thing they need to patch. I'm seeing the same thing in every youtube video I watch of myteam.

People are just quick inbounding it, throwing it all the way down court and getting easy fast break points or at least 2 on 2 fast breaks. It doesn't matter if you set your strategies to prevent it or stop taking risky shots.

People are saying that they shouldn't patch the full court passes to combat this but I disagree. If a player has a 30 passing rating, they shouldn't be able to hit a full court pass all the time. I don't get why people are defending this. This cheese needs to be out of the game. There's no "sim" reason why you should be throwing full court cherry picks; nobody in the NBA does it on any sort of regular basis.

[Blackhail92]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

I am on forsure board with this being a problem now after my last chunk of matches. It's really crappy because I use teams with 2 bigs mostly, so they can't get back in time even on normal inbounds.

Teams like Cavs, Thunder, GS, the usual...can and will abuse the crap out of this.

I just hope they fix it, but DO NOT slow down inbounding again I HATE HATE HATED that. A easy fix would be to have defenses get back quicker and stop fiddling around taking their time to turn around.

If it's a steal or great defensive stop/block absolutely you should get rewarded a fast break if not wide open one. I love wide open breaks from steals, but not off of a made shot on the other end or a missed layup.

I like that bigs move slower, but allow them to turn around and be smarter on getting back. I am literally grabbing these guys and SPRINTING back full turbo after every shot and they still get beat by stupid Lebron cherry pick baseline dunks.



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Yes the AI is very smart. I am very god at anticipating and stealing passes yet when I do tip the passes, it's just that. A tip. It goes right back to the opponent team. So instead sometimes I just know where the pass will be and position myself in front of them then change players when the pass is throw so the computer(who has super hands apparently) will catch the ball for me or tip it to my team. I do play user defense so I don't let the computer do everything, just tired of stealing passes and they result in the other team getting it back and making a wide open three because my team is halfway down the court thinking I stole it

[VinsanityLives]

Re: Exploit of the year CHERRY PICK & Football passes ARE BACK for Online Quick Match

this is an interesting topic. I am nba rank online and have over 30 wins with the knicks, so i have experience. From my experience, a lot of people do try to do football passes, the problem with that is this games AI is very smart therefore doing something multiple times will eventually be stopped. IF i were you I would run back with the big men to get close enough then would change players because only computer steals are usually successful sadly, if you try you will probably tip the ball and it will find its way back to one of the opponents teammates. While it is annoying some football passes still go over their heads so its not too bad. Honestly there isnt much cheese used online besides maybe the pick and roll cheese by users who know exactly how to make your player magnetize to the screen setter and go the opposite way. Its mainly about adjustments.

I love online besides everyone using the cavs lol. Only issue is the fact that when you are locking up your opponent with user defense, after a couple of plays they always seem to get fouls and and ones to sort of, keep them in the game. Very annoying.

My last 8 games have been versus the Cavs...EIGHT.

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