SMH missing WIDE OPEN shots with shooters again

[prestwood90]

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If your gonna complain and claim something is broken but not show video evidence then no one will take u serious......this thread needs to be closed

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[stillfeelme]

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If your gonna complain and claim something is broken but not show video evidence then no one will take u serious......this thread needs to be closed

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I wouldn't call it broken, it is just not reflective of real basketball. They 2K chose to give a "bonus" to mid range shots these are the shots that can get an excellent release. The 3pt shots can not get a "bonus". It is not that hard for anyone to test go into practice shoot.

Me myself I only commented after I played a few games and was not able to get Beal going from wide open 3's. I purposely wasn't shooting a bunch of mid range shots with him because I knew he wasn't even a good mid range shooter. So what I did is practice his shot some more and what you will notice is Beal in this game is capable of being a much better mid range shooter than 3pt shooter. I was having issues with Marco Bellini too but Beal was the latest one.

To me it is not really the open mid range it is the open 3's. You can't get a few "perfect" releases so you are really limited to how 2K says what the person is rated for the open shots.

I actually hope for 2K17 they just give players open ratings and contested ratings. Some players shoot close to the same %'s whether open or contested some it is drastically different.

Chris Paul is like 60% on open mid range jumpers and like 40% when contested tight, huge difference.

He is also 40% on open 3pt's and like 32% on contested.

Carmelo is like 40% when contested twos and is over 45% on open twos.

[MELMAN92]

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I like the way it is now

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[BigJizzle]

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Exactamundo. I'm picking defenses apart on Play Now Online but am losing games or barely winning because of this kind of stuff. I've played about 18 games now in this mode and its definitely discouraging. I run plays. I run pick and roll. Ive worked on release timing in practice modes.

It's like I have to play perfect, and somehow survive the insane amount of random happenings that kill possessions to even have a shot at a W while terrible shot selection and bailouts keep my opponents offense ahead.

I agree with you 100%, I'm 28-11 and just got in the college league. I run my freelance triangle, call plays, play conservative but the gm remains close dye to all the bail outs my opponents have. A good 95% of the people I play play as if the never played any bball before and these bailout continue to keep the in the gm. It also seems as if 2k may have adjusted something (difficulty) because a lot of people are taking stupid shots that are falling in at a high rate now as apposed to beforeign they would be air balls. It's not that these people are getting used to the gm either because before those ridiculous shots wasn't falling now all of a sudden they are. But 2k won't say they they nerfed it for the casuals, they did it before.

[MeloNYK7]

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hopefully we can get it adjusted and add more green releases to wide open threes. Don't understand why mid range shots would have green releases but not 3pts. isnt the nba moving forwards more 3 pt shooting?

[MeloNYK7]

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When it is adjusted these people leaving shooters wide open will start to pay dearly...

[Sundown]

SMH missing WIDE OPEN shots with shooters again

Greens should be more rare on mid ranges. NOT more plentiful on threes. More greens means you end up with Patch 4, which was a disaster.

Again, around 65% of NBA threes are open. They go in at 40%.

[MeloNYK7]

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Greens should be more rare on mid ranges. NOT more plentiful on threes. More greens means you end up with Patch 4, which was a disaster.

Again, around 65% of NBA threes are open. They go in at 40%.

Dont know where u got those numbers from but 65% of threes in the nba aint wide open i know that.

[Sundown]

SMH missing WIDE OPEN shots with shooters again

Dont know where u got those numbers from but 65% of threes in the nba aint wide open i know that.

They're uncontested, though that might not be "wide open" depending on your definition. They're open however, or at least with no defender within 4 feet. Look it up.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/02/26/sportvu-uncontested-jumpers-vs-okc/

NBA teams actually work for open shots and that's the staple of their perimeter shooting. As a rule they don't really take contested threes. And regardless, open shots fall at around 40%.

Wide open with all the time in the world and not even a late close out attempt may boost those percentages. But they're not automatic. When we expand the definition of uncontested to no defender within 6 feet or more, Curry only shot 41.7% by the all star break last season. Korver shot 57.3% but he had a off ball shooting season for the ages.

And of course corner threes are the easiest thee point shot especially if open. Those may fall at 50-60% and they're often taken open as a result of a kick out or in transition. Korver's percentages are boosted because he takes a lot of corner threes in comparison to Curry.

http://stats.nba.com/featured/breaking_down_3pt_contest_field_2015_02_05.html

[abuC]

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Shots from the wings seem to go in more than corner threes which doesn't make sense.

[stillfeelme]

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Greens should be more rare on mid ranges. NOT more plentiful on threes. More greens means you end up with Patch 4, which was a disaster.

Again, around 65% of NBA threes are open. They go in at 40%.

The Patch 4 had two wrongs. They gave mid range a high open bonus and they fixed all the releases. Those two things made shooting easy for everybody.

So in 2K16 they make perfect releases not be 100% on mid ranges and harder to achieve but then they limit the 3pt shooting to something like real real fg%.

I think they are really overthinking shooting and it starts to creep up in the games I play. They should have just gave contested and open ratings to the players for jump shots and probably get away from perfect release.

There would be less complaints if players were not artificially constrained. If you could pin point the ratings to actual stats especially open to contested.

[pazmacats]

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I struggled initially, and still struggle a bit with shooting....so I feel the OP to a degree.

I have gotten progressively better though. First thing I would suggest is to turn off the shot meter and turn on shot feedback, it'll give you a better gauge on the quality of your shots....

But shot feedback feels broken too sometimes. Sometimes there are open shots that get a D rating (and go in). Got those after pump faking mostly I think.

Shooting in general seems fine. I miss open 3s once in a while, but I've also been hitting contested 3s once in a while. It all evens out. If I really want to maximize the chances I'll have to find an open shooter, catch the ball, wait for 0.5 seconds and if the guy is still open shoot it.

Shooting the 3 when coming off a pick (and being open) is not automatic.

Shooting open midrange jumpshots works best for me.

To sum it up: I only shoot 3s if the shot has 0 contest, if it is open and the guy is hot, if it is open and shot clock is <8, or if I'm late in the shot clock and there's no other option.

[bo.jangles344]

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If they pump up shooting everyone will complain it goes in too much. If they keep it where it's at but tone mid-range down people will complain.

Aside from the warping this is the most realistic game of the series. Mid range are actually the least valuable shot in the nba right now because it's only a 45/50% chance to hit while most people that can shoot mids shoot decent 3s.

Basically if I'm in a game (irl nba) and shoot 10 mids and hit 6, that's 12 points at 60% . Now, the same shooter shoots 10 3s hits 4, that's 40% and still 12 points. Now this is all assuming it's "wide open" and also in game.

In practice, i bet Ray Allen and Reggie Miller hit 8/10 from deep. The problem is its extremely hard to run a good scheme to get shooters open every possession. Especially standing spot up 3s with no contest. Most shots come off screens with the defender closing in. If you're working with a good shooter who's better at mid than 3 (most are) you're literally having to run more plays for that person than you would 3s to match those same points.

Kevin mchale actually discourages mid range shots to basically enforce the fact that if you're going for 2 to make it come near the basket to increase a) shot percentage or b) the chance to draw a foul. Otherwise take a shot from deep because if you hit it's essentially an and 1.

Matter of fact there have been several sports writers insinuating the death of the post has been due to in part the rule changes disallowing hand checks which allowed defenders to guard the perimeter better, and the current trend of switching on screens with big men unable to close out on decent to good outside shooters. The warriors just won a championship doing exactly that. Give a team 5 shooters to guard simultaneously and hope they don't miss.

When a team doesn't have a big man that can draw a double team down in the paint it used to be harder to get shooters open. Even if they have that low post threat, but he's a below average passer or an unwilling passer it's essentially the same thing. However, if you can constantly force a big onto a small you can get more good looks that equal more points, but they have to fall. Look at what happened to the rockets when they went up against the warriors who simply just had more and better shooters. Better defense was also a product of their shooters in practice giving more experience when they guarded lesser shooters on other teams.

I don't honestly believe the shooting needs too much tuning, altho i feel players are relying too heavily on mid and maybe i could stand 2-3 more "wide open" shots from deep to fall to counteract the current reliance from mid.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Don't change **** 2k. It's been a struggle to close out games with ny, but I don't care. I love the way shooting is. Everyone shouldn't be able to drain everything just because they're open. I feel like guys are hitting at an appropriate rate and times.

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[Pappy Knuckles]

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That being said, Melo please hit a damn jumper for me in crunch time lol.

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