Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

[jeebs9]

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I guess in my opinion. J.R. has come a long way since those days I remember him being LeBron. And it was so hard. But I guess in the last few years with all the rating changes and the new one coming out every year. I haven't felt that JR was overpowering. He's actually been up and down in games for me. And that's been on both side of using him and playing vs him.

[Toaster]

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The core issue is that guards RARELY dunk in real life (even Jordan was once or twice a game in his youth - which is NOTHING compared to how many shots he was actually taking) but that is the selling point of the game for a lot of people. People want to dunk with guards, and it is still stupid easy to do so. .

You touch upon a core issue.
Do you think this can be remedied by rating tweaks or is it ingrained into the system?

[Real2KInsider]

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Haven't played with Gerald Green yet, but I doubt he's as good as POPE Earl III

When MyTeam came out in 2K13 I used to start Gerald Green at PF, and routinely took out players rocking Hall of Fame teams (my logic was a lot of players started LeBron or Bird at PF rather than a traditional back to the basket player). I was in the 2nd seed with an all-Silver team IIRC.

He might as well be prime Vince Carter.

Game mechanics have changed a bit to limit his overall effectiveness (his low defense and pass ratings matter more now) but no other player beyond LeBron more capable of transition cheese.

[BluFu]

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There's a new 'Wildcard' badge that's supposed to make him "wildly inconsistent". Going to keep playing to see how much this affects gameplay

[TGsoGood]

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But.. that.. lob

Exactly!

[jeebs9]

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You touch upon a core issue.
Do you think this can be remedied by rating tweaks or is it ingrained into the system?

I don't know if there is anything else they can do. This has been a long fight for years. Guys like DC, Teebones and even Rashidi have complained. But for every solution you find out there. You will find some sort of weakness to the idea. Because someone like CP3 who doesn't dunk that much (maybe once or twice last season). But he can dunk the ball. How does one put that into math? Do you want users to complain that CP3 is on breakaways and can't dunk or do you want CP3 to randomly dunk on breakaways (the number he dunks in real life). Which would mean the user would rarely see dunks in a course of season. With a person that can dunk. It's been a tricky road.

edit: I think I'm with the way it currently is.

[Real2KInsider]

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You touch upon a core issue.
Do you think this can be remedied by rating tweaks or is it ingrained into the system?

It's a little of both.

Here are the PGs w/ 60+ Dunk rating.

Rating (Change from 2K15) Player (% of FGA) - Total Dunks (Change from 2014)

96 (+8) Zach LaVine (6.2%) - 39 (NA)
90 (-2) Russell Westbrook (3.6%) - 48 (-0.8%)
86 (NC) John Wall (3.2%) - 37 (NC)
85 (+7) Damian Lillard (2.4%) - 30 (+0.3%)
85 (NEW) Emmanuel Mudiay (Rookie)

Just glancing at that top 5 it would seem like 2K is doing a good job. Then there's the other 95% of the league.

75 (+30) Jordan Clarkson (3.5%) - 20 (NA)
75 (NC) Derrick Rose (0.6%) - 5 (NC)
73 (NC) Austin Rivers (2.6%) - 12 (+1.1%)
73 (NC) Eric Bledsoe (2.0%) - 19 (+1.1%)
73 (NC) Nate Robinson (0.0%) - 0 (-0.8%)
69 (NC) Shaun Livingston (11.1%) - 40 (-0.2%)] (to be fair, he gets most as a SG - there is a statistical difference across positions due to the nature of how each position even get dunks in the first place)
69 (NC) Reggie Jackson (2.4%) - 22 (-0.8%)
69 (NEW) Jerami Grant (Rookie)
65 (NC) Tony Wroten (3.7%) - 14 (-0.1)
65 (NC) Jeff Teague (2.4%) - 20 (+1.5%)
65 (NEW) Terry Rozier (Rookie)
60 (NC) Michael Carter-Williams (3.2%) - 27 (+0.3%)

Not only are they all over the place, it's clear that the overwhelmingly vast majority of players do not get year-to-year updates.

(Also, for the love of god, do not come in posting "LOL measuring dunk rating by stats", dunk frequency is what defines a good dunker, not the Stauffer method where he gave Marco ****ing Belinelli Posterizer badge and a 65 Dunk rating the day after he landed his first career poster dunk (he finished the year with 2 total dunks).

Thrown in for good measure, in case you wanted to vomit in your mouth a little.

Classic Players
94 Spud Webb (86-ATL)
90 Robert Pack (94-DEN)
86 Penny Hardaway (95-ORL)
65 Isiah Thomas (89-DET)
64 Magic Johnson (87-LAL)
61 Walt Frazier (72-NYK)
60 Ron Harper (96-CHI)
60 Ron Harper (98-CHI)
60 Ron Harper (01-LAL)

Yuck. Also, there isn't any athletic difference between 32 year old Ron Harper and 37 year old Ron Harper, which says it all about how 2K handles their dunk ratings.

[Real2KInsider]

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Point Guards
75 (NC) Derrick Rose (0.6%) - 5 (NC)
65 (NC) Tony Wroten (3.7%) - 14 (-0.1%)
65 (NC) Jeff Teague (2.4%) - 20 (+1.5%)
60 (NC) Michael Carter-Williams (3.2%) - 27 (+0.3%)

Shooting Guards
77 (NC) Iman Shumpert (6.4%) - 20 (+3.3%)
75 (NC) Jimmy Butler (5.8%) - 49 (+1.5%)
70 (NC) J.R. Smith (2.3%) - 13 (+0.4%)
65 (NC) Marco Belinelli (0.4%) - 2 (-0.2%)
60 (NC) Dwyane Wade (2.4%) - 25 (-2.9%)
55 (NC) Khris Middleton (1.8%) - 15 (+0.7%)

Rose vs Butler is just LOL

If I ever gave Marco Belinelli a higher dunk rating than Dwyane Wade I would point blank kill myself, irrespective of how much I was being paid to do it.

Even with Wade declining hard (-6.9% in two years, from 95 dunks to 25 dunks) he is still on par w/ the likes of J.R. Smith.

[Real2KInsider]

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I don't know if there is anything else they can do. This has been a long fight for years. Guys like DC, Teebones and even Rashidi have complained. But for every solution you find out there. You will find some sort of weakness to the idea. Because someone like CP3 who doesn't dunk that much (maybe once or twice last season). But he can dunk the ball. How does one put that into math? Do you want users to complain that CP3 is on breakaways and can't dunk or do you want CP3 to randomly dunk on breakaways (the number he dunks in real life). Which would mean the user would rarely see dunks in a course of season. With a person that can dunk. It's been a tricky road.

Chris Paul has taken 2,040 shots in the last two years.
Two of them were dunks.

If there are people complaining about Chris Paul's dunk rating in the year 2015 you let it go in one ear and out the other. Give him the bare minimum dunk rating (that will allow him to dunk uncontested on the break, if he has stamina) and be done with it.

It is worth noting that last season I lost an online game because Chris Paul attempted a half-court dunk late in a game even though his rating (27) is too low for this to occur normally (his hot streak boosted his rating high enough to make this happen).

Now, to be fair, Paul has at times been "underrated" at least relative to other low-rated dunkers.

Examples:
Isaiah Canaan: 40 Dunk rating, 0 career dunks
Mo Williams: 35 Dunk rating, 1 career dunk (13 years)
Isaiah Thomas: 27 Dunk rating, 0 career dunks
Chris Paul: 27 Dunk rating, 40 career dunks (1 last season)

But he's not the only player w/ a mathematical gripe
Kyle Korver: 25 Dunk rating, 18 career dunks (3 last season)

Just an example of how infrequently these ratings are adjusted, Mo got that rating after a fastbreak dunk in the 2010 playoffs and his rating hasn't changed in the SIX NBA 2K installments since.

[Bexthelegend]

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Just played against this guy who put JR as his point guard... Why can Jr consistently make threes at what seems like a higher rate than better shooters?

[xzistanz]

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Hows rudy gay this year? Last year he was lebron to me.


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[FedExPope]

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I would think the 'Wildcard' badge would be tailor-made for JR Smith. In fact, I would bet that he is exactly who the devs had in mind when they added that in. Hopefully that prevents him from being a stupidly efficient monster every single time you play against him.

[ClevelandFan]

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He's carrying me in MyTeam right now lol.

I've been destroying people with JR since 2K12.

You should have seen him in 2K9..

Arguably the best player in the game, lol. Undoubtedly top 5.

[MrBallaBoy21]

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Hows rudy gay this year? Last year he was lebron to me.


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I was looking at him in the auction house and his ratings looked downgraded so I went with Tyreke Evans instead. He's slow and his shot and ballhandling don't look all that great. I'm sure he can still dunk like always.

[MrBallaBoy21]

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Just played against this guy who put JR as his point guard... Why can Jr consistently make threes at what seems like a higher rate than better shooters?

His release is insanely easy. It looks just like his real life shot too.