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  • ViolenceFight
    MVP
    • Jun 2013
    • 1141

    #136
    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

    Originally posted by The 24th Letter

    I do sympathize with MC guys though, I can imagine not being able to control everyone adds a completely different element to the frustration....which is probably why I don't really play the mode that much...
    Only frustrating in MC when I'm going for assists. 95 overall inside SG. I drop 35 to 40 on a regular. Just dropped 57 against the Warriors with Klay and Iggy doubling me anytime I held the ball for more than 4 seconds after the second qtr.

    Defense is frustrating to an extent. Klay got me called on a blocking call by left righting through me (As in I locked him down, he tried to dribble through me and knocked me down, block.)

    And a few times he got shots to drop he had no business getting. On offense, if you play smart and vary your offense you consistently get numbers. I average 35 ppg, about 5 to 7 ast, and 11 rebounds.

    All of this is superstar/Sim/9 minute quarters
    Female Russell Westbrook.

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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #137
      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

      Yeah the knock downs and the AI teammate bailout fouls are two of my biggest gripes- as I've said in the patch thread....def two if the 'cheaper' feeling aspects of defense

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      • DolfanDave
        Rookie
        • Dec 2002
        • 215

        #138
        Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
        Not entirely sure I understand your question.....I play offline too though....And feel the same way.....

        I play on SS/Sim, so if your experience is that the AI defense is so porous that you can't be adequately defended, then much respect to you....I can't even dominate on that level like that.

        Is defense on this game a perfect representation of NBA rotations, positioning, etc.... nope....haven't run into a game that is- so If that's your gripe- cool, I'd agree...at that point it's a matter of what you can stomach I guess..

        Defense hasn't been an issue for me though, if just hasn't- I feel as strongly about that as some feel it's completely broken, and that's fine. It's honestly a part of the game I enjoy.

        I do sympathize with MC guys though, I can imagine not being able to control everyone adds a completely different element to the frustration....which is probably why I don't really play the mode that much...
        In the other thread you mention your defensive skill was competent. Which is why I ask because the op on other thread plays only one position so you being able to play "musical chairs" while on defense is only doable when you are on defense only in the offline world and even then you can only control only player at a time so even that don't work when more than one player do something and even when you try and correct the arrow still tell you "no" which mean 2 guys stay with one player but I'm rambling now lol.

        Again we arent expecting perfection but The Computer controlled ai has to be somewhat competent to have a good offline experience especially when the offense is doing what looks like basketball in the NBA for me.

        For example 2k15 had the exact same issues but it is better offline than 2k16 not because the game itself is better but because the offense wasn't as good lol. The crux of the whole problem is the offense ai has advanced to a degree that make the defense actually worse as the offense ai is a 10 while defense is a 5. So that imbalance make it hard to play as you are at a disadvantage on defense but at an advantage on offense at a high rate.

        I play on Superstar sim and I can win was currently 4-2 on myleague with Dallas before i just gave up playing offline. But as an offline gamer a lot of my wins and loses are heavily based on the defense doing something too hurt me or bail me out on offense so my winning or losing don't give me a feeling of being legit so I can't grind an 82 game 10 minute qtrs is all. If the defensive legacy issues continue then 2k will stickly be an online play now, and my team mode because the Da Czar will only make the offense better. Unfortunately for me that means I won't be buying day 1 which would be painful but i did the same with Madden until it got good again . Hopefully they rewrite the defense code for 2k17 to keep up with the tremendous progress on the offensive side.

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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #139
          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

          Originally posted by DolfanDave
          Spoiler

          Like I said before, no musical chairs involved, or "making the best of it".....I'm playing good D and tools are there to do so...

          Totally respect if you feel that's how you have to play though....just not going to concede that it's true when it's not my experience...

          All good though, respect your opinion

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          • DolfanDave
            Rookie
            • Dec 2002
            • 215

            #140
            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            Like I said before, no musical chairs involved, or "making the best of it".....I'm playing good D and tools are there to do so...

            Totally respect if you feel that's how you have to play though....just not going to concede that it's true when it's not my experience...

            All good though, respect your opinion
            Lol. The musical chairs is you constantly switching off ball to try and put players back in place or in place. This I am sure everybody do but this year is just more hand holding due to the imbalance but that isn't my main point as I stated.My point is offline gamers have no control over cpu controlled teams when playing so watching bad defensive ai while being helpless is the problem.

            Not saying it must be perfect as people always like to throw around but at least adequate to the offense. Which is why i ask you before what does you playing good d has to do with you playing mycareer(you only control one player), player lock in mygm(you only control one player). And believe me I am not trying to convince you or anyone on nothing as I was just stating my opinion and your reply to my opinion has nothing to do with the crux of the problem I stated above is all.

            Disagreeing is fine but 2 people talking past each other isn't a disagreement but a lack of understanding in each dialogue. So just trying to make sure that we can at least disagree or agree on the topic at hand and not some generic reply which is why I am always detailed and specific when I speak. So again your good d or tools have no effect when you can only be one player(ie certain main offline modes) or when you are on offense. So the imbalance of the offensive ai to the defense is problematic for mainly offline mode gamers is my opinion . But I thought I was clear from the get go but oh well lol

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            • DolfanDave
              Rookie
              • Dec 2002
              • 215

              #141
              Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

              Just asking has anyone experienced this since or before patch 3. I personally have never seen an onball defender leave the ball handler before patch 3 but this is what I saw a couple of times during my games by the 2nd qtr.

              Settings were Superstar/sim 10 minute quaters on "playing now"

              <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/wHvza2iHkEI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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              • The 24th Letter
                ERA
                • Oct 2007
                • 39373

                #142
                Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                Saw this once pre patch actually, haven't seen it since- defender just left someone he was guarding at the 3 point line...

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                • DolfanDave
                  Rookie
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 215

                  #143
                  Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                  Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                  Saw this once pre patch actually, haven't seen it since- defender just left someone he was guarding at the 3 point line...
                  Ok I mean this was the first time I seen even post patch so maybe an anomaly but what about the "quick isolation " being ignored sometimes. I notice that pre and post patch

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                  • cvnvchj
                    Just started!
                    • Dec 2015
                    • 3

                    #144
                    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                    Ill never understand why folks get so upset that people are enjoying the game....

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                    • JoFri
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 1486

                      #145
                      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                      imo the team's defensive strategy is questionable. playing the clippers and spurs vs cpu in myleague is a joke. they have their point guards on KD and i can easily exploit the mismatch. irl this will not happen, at least i havent seen that from pop and doc. i dun mind cpu putting klay on russell westbrook bcos it happens irl.

                      tony parker and chris paul on KD?

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                      • DolfanDave
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 215

                        #146
                        Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                        Originally posted by JoFri
                        imo the team's defensive strategy is questionable. playing the clippers and spurs vs cpu in myleague is a joke. they have their point guards on KD and i can easily exploit the mismatch. irl this will not happen, at least i havent seen that from pop and doc. i dun mind cpu putting klay on russell westbrook bcos it happens irl.

                        tony parker and chris paul on KD?
                        Lol. Yes I know exactly what you are talking about. That's what I mean when I say on defense it is more preprogrammed logic than more situational. OG mentioned before release how the best defender will defend your best/hot player sometimes . Sounds good in theory but I play with the grizzlies and when I saw kawai Leonard switch to Conley and Tony parker on Green. I said "come on man". The life of the offline gamer in 2k16

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                        • joosegoose
                          Pro
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 889

                          #147
                          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                          Going back to release, there has been one specific thing about AI defensive rotations and assignments that has been killing the game for me and driving me nuts.

                          When bringing the ball up the court, nobody picks up the trail man.

                          If the trail man is a capable shooter, I get plenty of wide open 3s each game. Going small or playing a stretch 4 has never been so effective. Heck, he doesn't even have to be a 3 point shooter...an athletic guy can use the space to drive straight to the hoop. At least that's how I scored half of my points the little bit of time I played MyCareer.

                          I was playing a game with Dirk at the 4, and late in the game I realized my usage patterns for Dirk are completely different than in real life because of it. Check this:

                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zqnfNhA7UkM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                          I took my time and waited to shoot for effect. This is Dirk Freakin' Nowitzki, and the defense couldn't care less. The problems extend beyond allowing open 3s, too:

                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vOpuPU62o88" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                          Are you kidding me? They just let him walk right up the hoop. This obviously isn't an every play occurrence, but it happens far too frequently.

                          Like I said, this has been bugging me ever since release...the patches really haven't seemed to do anything. I think I'm really noticing it even more now that I'm playing games where either Dirk or PG13 are playing the 4 and scoring mad buckets. I really hope this is something that can be fixed, or requires a small adjustment on my part. I find myself running an actual half court offense far too infrequently and it's tanking my enjoyment of the game.

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                          • DolfanDave
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 215

                            #148
                            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                            Originally posted by joosegoose
                            Going back to release, there has been one specific thing about AI defensive rotations and assignments that has been killing the game for me and driving me nuts.

                            When bringing the ball up the court, nobody picks up the trail man.

                            If the trail man is a capable shooter, I get plenty of wide open 3s each game. Going small or playing a stretch 4 has never been so effective. Heck, he doesn't even have to be a 3 point shooter...an athletic guy can use the space to drive straight to the hoop. At least that's how I scored half of my points the little bit of time I played MyCareer.

                            I was playing a game with Dirk at the 4, and late in the game I realized my usage patterns for Dirk are completely different than in real life because of it. Check this:

                            <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zqnfNhA7UkM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                            I took my time and waited to shoot for effect. This is Dirk Freakin' Nowitzki, and the defense couldn't care less. The problems extend beyond allowing open 3s, too:

                            <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vOpuPU62o88" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                            Are you kidding me? They just let him walk right up the hoop. This obviously isn't an every play occurrence, but it happens far too frequently.

                            Like I said, this has been bugging me ever since release...the patches really haven't seemed to do anything. I think I'm really noticing it even more now that I'm playing games where either Dirk or PG13 are playing the 4 and scoring mad buckets. I really hope this is something that can be fixed, or requires a small adjustment on my part. I find myself running an actual half court offense far too infrequently and it's tanking my enjoyment of the game.
                            The life of an offline gamer in 2k16. The reason for that is because in 2k16 they stay in that preprogrammed zone too long. I have a video where in 2k15 they do they same thing but they "break" the zone much quicker so the only problem was the mismatch which I had no problems dealing with that being a "gamebreaker" for me.

                            <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VGVPwVcNjtk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                            I haven't even started myleague or mycareer because I know that when I win or lose too frequently it wouldn't be earned but given or taken away from me due to the defensive ai bailing me out on offense or hindering me on defense. Could you imagine playing a 82 game season getting to the finals and that happen during the series and you won the trophy? Would you really feel like you earned it? Enjoyment for me comes when I and the cpu at least play decent regardless of the win or loss. I'm not expecting perfection but 2k16 is just a hot mess defensively.

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                            • joosegoose
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 889

                              #149
                              Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                              Originally posted by DolfanDave
                              The life of an offline gamer in 2k16. The reason for that is because in 2k16 they stay in that preprogrammed zone too long. I have a video where in 2k15 they do they same thing but they "break" the zone much quicker so the only problem was the mismatch which I had no problems dealing with that being a "gamebreaker" for me.

                              Spoiler


                              I haven't even started myleague or mycareer because I know that when I win or lose too frequently it wouldn't be earned but given or taken away from me due to the defensive ai bailing me out on offense or hindering me on defense. Could you imagine playing a 82 game season getting to the finals and that happen during the series and you won the trophy? Would you really feel like you earned it? Enjoyment for me comes when I and the cpu at least play decent regardless of the win or loss. I'm not expecting perfection but 2k16 is just a hot mess defensively.
                              I hear you. I can be having a great game, a fun stretch of play and then something like this will happen and completely kill the vibe:

                              <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LuJgKLrzaAE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                              It makes it a lot harder to get really invested in sim-style ball (though to be clear, I do still have fun with the game).

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                              • DolfanDave
                                Rookie
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 215

                                #150
                                Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                                Originally posted by joosegoose
                                I hear you. I can be having a great game, a fun stretch of play and then something like this will happen and completely kill the vibe:

                                <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LuJgKLrzaAE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                                It makes it a lot harder to get really invested in sim-style ball (though to be clear, I do still have fun with the game).
                                Most of the time it is during transition defense. In that clip above even though you didn't show it before half court. I know for a fact that that was after a missed shot because I see the 2 players zoning the ball handler in synchronization I might add long after the ballhandler past half court. There is no reason for the man in the paint to protect a fastbreak that isn't happening. So he continue to stay there which cause other players to react since one man is guarding nobody which leads to the wide open shot. In 2k15 that wouldn't have happened. At worst it would have been a mix match. If they could just have the 2 preprogrammed break the zone earlier like in 2k15 for patch 4 that would help immensely. But for 2k17 they need completely overhaul transition defense logic as it has now past it expiration date so to speak.

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