Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

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  • Rockie_Fresh88
    Lockdown Defender
    • Oct 2011
    • 9621

    #16
    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

    Originally posted by DolfanDave
    I will just say your response prove you didn't read my problem let alone watch video proof of what I was saying with the game. I believe in constructive criticism so if you have a valid point explain it and I can accept that but random comments with no explanation don't add to the discussion.

    Because I listed 3 things and the root of the problem which has nothing to do with a player skill because this is a computer issue not a human issue. I don't care how great or bad you are at 2k 2 players will leave their man to go to preprogrammed spot in transition. Again the problem is the computer ai transition defense which I can't control when I am on offense as I mainly play offline but even the few videos on defense I can't control 2-3 players simultaneous doing dumb stuff and most of my 21 videos shows me playing offense getting wide open shots because the cpu created a fastbreak opportunity for me when there wasn't one and if there was no open shots on the wing then I am getting ideal mismatch not based on play but because of computer controlled ai so your answer makes no sense to me. But I seriously welcome you in a real discussion on how I can make a computer ai do something through sliders or what not but stick skills won't solve this computer ai problem
    Did you miss where I said some of the issues are legit ?

    And again I say some of them really are from not understanding the game.

    The game auto mixes up matches based on hot cold streaks and defensive ratings for example . It might not be perfect and at times it may not even make sense to you but it is a step Foward from what we had . It's a work in progress. The transition defense is a problem . 3 second calls happen what's wrong with that ?
    Last edited by Rockie_Fresh88; 10-03-2015, 07:50 AM.
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    • DolfanDave
      Rookie
      • Dec 2002
      • 215

      #17
      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

      Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
      Did you miss where I said some of the issues are legit ?

      And again I say some of them really are from not understanding the game.

      The game auto mixes up matches based on hot cold streaks and defensive ratings for example . It might not be perfect and at times it may not even make sense to you but it is a step Foward from what we had . It's a work in progress. The transition defense is a problem . 3 second calls happen what's wrong with that ?
      Again a discussion is not about whether you agree with me or not but clarifying your position. I listed 3 issues which one isn't "understanding the game" and why? Like I said I am calling out a problem I am seeing and if you have the answer please share otherwise I was saying there no need to reply if you ain't gonna help a fellow OS member in distress is all I'm saying lol

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      • Rockie_Fresh88
        Lockdown Defender
        • Oct 2011
        • 9621

        #18
        Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

        I just said why man lol referring to the mismatches . I agree with the transition defense
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        • VinsanityLives
          Banned
          • Sep 2015
          • 668

          #19
          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

          Transition defense and bad foul calls are the two main things that stand out to me.

          I would even build off of your programmed spots issue to show BEFORE that you even have half your guys confused on their turn around to get back. When you have someone who is constantly breaking, you still notice much of your team will start sliding around trying to get back and getting blown right by.

          Transition D needs to sharpen up, not the passing, players can make those passes, but teams can play transition D too..

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          • HypoLuxa13
            MVP
            • Feb 2007
            • 1156

            #20
            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

            The more I play, the more I agree about transition defense. The CPU AI is programmed to take full advantage, too. So if you are using a below average defensive team, against a good team like the Spurs, they will have almost a Loyala Marymount offense feel to them.

            Opponent CPU rebounds a miss, and they quickly push it up court, and because of the poor defensive positioning and awareness by CPU controlled team mates, opponent CPU will easily find the open man and get a quality shot off in the first 7-9 seconds of the shot clock.

            Even on makes, they inbound and if they push up quickly, they can get a quality shot off in 10-11 seconds often times. I know some of it is that I'm not playing very quality defense, but yikes. To see the Spurs run and gun against me and put up 125 points on All Star Sim even though I held them to a modest 47% shooting, you know they are getting a lot of transition shots off early in the shot clock.

            I'm still loving this game. Hoping that maybe the transition D can be tuned in a patch.

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            • The 24th Letter
              ERA
              • Oct 2007
              • 39373

              #21
              Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

              Just do point out Dave, what the defense is "attempting" to simulate (and sometimes not very well) is building a wall in transition...this is the "programmed zone" you're seeing when your changing your POE

              You're always taught that your first priority is walling off the paint, then guarding. the nearest man if your scrambling back, which is why you're seeing mismatches....AI doesn't always do a good job of that....and sometimes if your the human getting back....your taking the person your controlling out of position forcing other guys to get out of position as well...

              Here's a pretty good example of that, where the CPU actually picked up my slack....even through Hendo made the shot....


              https://vid.me/vqSQ

              Definitely needs a bit of tweaking though....I think I have a bigger issue with opposing teams getting BEHIND the D so easily than the actual positioning...

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              Last edited by The 24th Letter; 10-03-2015, 08:24 AM.

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              • DolfanDave
                Rookie
                • Dec 2002
                • 215

                #22
                Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                I just said why man lol referring to the mismatches . I agree with the transition defense
                LOL. I apologize I did not see that last part but that not why I am getting mismatching. And this is not a sometime thing. Again this is 90% of time and I am not exaggerating and welcome any video showing otherwise.And the reason I know that the hot/cold and defensive rating isn't the logic because in my testing

                1.There is no cold or hot streak since this happen from the beginning plus all my players are cold as I tried to miss shoots just to show everyone the problem in transition

                2. Second this happens because 2 men play zone which causes the other players to pick their man creating the mismatch or not picking them up at all . For example in one video I have when the 1 and the 2 are the preprogrammed players going to the zone spot there will always be a mismatch and the bigger problem is they didn't have to go but they are programmed to go. Like I said to me this is a step back because they did the same preprogrammed stuff in 2k15 but it wasn't this bad because they broke out of it when the ballhandler got near halfcourt in 2k16 they don't which exacerbate the problem. And I am not saying 2k15 transition was great but I could deal with it is all

                But thanks for the input as it is greatly appreciated as it keeps this thread alive so that the devs can see it and patch it

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                • DolfanDave
                  Rookie
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 215

                  #23
                  Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                  Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                  Just do point out Dave, what the defense is "attempting" to simulate (and sometimes not very well) is building a wall in transition...this is the "programmed zone" you're seeing when your changing your POE

                  You're always taught that your first priority is walling off the paint, then guarding. the nearest man if your scrambling back, which is why you're seeing mismatches....AI doesn't always do a good job of that....and sometimes if your the human getting back....your taking the person your controlling out of position forcing other guys to get out of position as well...

                  Here's a pretty good example of that, where the CPU actually picked up my slack....even through Hendo made the shot....


                  https://vid.me/vqSQ

                  Definitely needs a bit of tweaking though....I think I have a bigger issue with opposing teams getting BEHIND the D so easily than the actual positioning...

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                  Thanks I know that they are trying to do. The problem is how it is implemented and for how long. And The problem is that they do it no matter what on defense .On Defense I can try and force my pg or sg not to leave based on the situation and it work out sometime.But I play offline mostly so the bigger problem is when I am on offense I can't help out the the computer controlled defense which is why I am getting easy transition offense not because I am some great player but the cpu "gave" me this on a silver platter and this is happen 90% of time which kills any chance for me to play franchise as there is no challenge. So do a video where you are in transition and you will understand what I am saying better. But thanks for the video and input.

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                  • DolfanDave
                    Rookie
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 215

                    #24
                    Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                    Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                    Just do point out Dave, what the defense is "attempting" to simulate (and sometimes not very well) is building a wall in transition...this is the "programmed zone" you're seeing when your changing your POE

                    You're always taught that your first priority is walling off the paint, then guarding. the nearest man if your scrambling back, which is why you're seeing mismatches....AI doesn't always do a good job of that....and sometimes if your the human getting back....your taking the person your controlling out of position forcing other guys to get out of position as well...

                    Here's a pretty good example of that, where the CPU actually picked up my slack....even through Hendo made the shot....


                    https://vid.me/vqSQ

                    Definitely needs a bit of tweaking though....I think I have a bigger issue with opposing teams getting BEHIND the D so easily than the actual positioning...

                    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
                    You bring up another good point which is the defensive players do move slower than offense player after rebound. Some of that is because of the lateral shuffle the other reason sometime is they atually pause and watch the ball handler instead of leaving with there man in transition. Video below shows one of problems. You can fast forward to the 45 second mark

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                    • LiftYoHands
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2015
                      • 14

                      #25
                      Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                      [QUOTE=DolfanDave;2047732906]You bring up another good point which is the defensive players do move slower than offense player after rebound. Some of that is because of the lateral shuffle the other reason sometime is they atually pause and watch the ball handler instead of leaving with there man in transition. Video below shows one of problems. You can fast forward to the 45 second mark





                      What difficulty do you play on. . ?


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                      • DolfanDave
                        Rookie
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 215

                        #26
                        Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                        [QUOTE=LiftYoHands;2047733438]
                        Originally posted by DolfanDave
                        You bring up another good point which is the defensive players do move slower than offense player after rebound. Some of that is because of the lateral shuffle the other reason sometime is they atually pause and watch the ball handler instead of leaving with there man in transition. Video below shows one of problems. You can fast forward to the 45 second mark





                        What difficulty do you play on. . ?


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                        Here is a new short 30 second video which shows the 1 and the 3 going to their preprogram spot. I am on offense so as an offline gamer this isn't fun when it happens most of the time on transition because I didn't earn that shot was given to me. But I will try hall of fame but I believe this is code based regardless of difficulty level but will see to make sure.

                        Let me just state once again that if the 1 or the 2 is the deep zone man protecting against the fast break(at the free throw line) then the defense will be at a huge disadvantage everytime. Beals leaves lee because wall left conley(it is a chain reaction). Then I zoom in to show you the consistent "center huddle" where there are 4 guys surrounding 2 players because 2 of them are playing zone too long which cause bad defensive spacing and open lanes to basket or open jump shoots because the other players are in man and trying to guard the players the zone guys won't.

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                        • Insight23
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1585

                          #27
                          Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                          It is the best sports game & yes it has its flaws. Is it supposed to be flawless because it's considered the best? Pointing out the problems isn't bad because yes hopefully the developers will patch it but that doesn't mean it isn't still a great game. Before this, 2k11 was my favorite & that had problems too. Those games that get flat out ratings of 10....have problems too.


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                          • DolfanDave
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 215

                            #28
                            Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                            Originally posted by Insight23
                            It is the best sports game & yes it has its flaws. Is it supposed to be flawless because it's considered the best? Pointing out the problems isn't bad because yes hopefully the developers will patch it but that doesn't mean it isn't still a great game. Before this, 2k11 was my favorite & that had problems too. Those games that get flat out ratings of 10....have problems too.


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                            I respect that .My original post was a bit of sarcasm and setup as far as the matrix and GOAT . I really don't care if everyone says it is great as that is their opinion. All I am showing is a serious fundamental problem not a quirk or little bug like too many offensive rebounds or too much flopping as that is something that I can deal with as it isn't game breaking to me but something that happens 90%(from my testing) on transition D which is over 50% of what you will be doing is on transition is a problem for me that breaks the whole game as an offline gamer primarily. Again just how I feel and just trying to get the devs attention to get it patch if possible. In all honestly I only really care what the devs will think or do or doing about this as they are the ones who can fix it.

                            Thanks for adding to the conversation though

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                            • Insight23
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1585

                              #29
                              Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                              Originally posted by DolfanDave
                              I respect that .My original post was a bit of sarcasm and setup as far as the matrix and GOAT . I really don't care if everyone says it is great as that is their opinion. All I am showing is a serious fundamental problem not a quirk or little bug like too many offensive rebounds or too much flopping as that is something that I can deal with as it isn't game breaking to me but something that happens 90%(from my testing) on transition D which is over 50% of what you will be doing is on transition is a problem for me that breaks the whole game as an offline gamer primarily. Again just how I feel and just trying to get the devs attention to get it patch if possible. In all honestly I only really care what the devs will think or do or doing about this as they are the ones who can fix it.



                              Thanks for adding to the conversation though

                              Most definitely understood. I'm all for problems getting patched.


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                              • skitzy129
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 35

                                #30
                                Re: Am I The One?(NBA 2K16 has a serious problem)

                                There's some quirks here and there but as a whole this game completely annihilates 2k15 when it comes to representing simulation basketball. This is by far the closest they've ever gotten.

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