Nearly impossible to hit two straight 3's in a row

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Nearly impossible to hit two straight 3's in a row

What would be a good slider to represent Curry and good shooters?

Try lowering defensive strength for shot gather and shot release - it will lessen the penalty hits on your jump shots.

I'm not sure this will satisfy your aspirations but it is a viable option.

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[takki]

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Not sure if a game will ever be able to properly simulate streakyness of real players, but saying a player misses X % of open shots and then comparing it to a dice row is not fair.

Players heat up in real life. I heat up in real life and nowhere near and NBA caliber basketball player. What I'm saying is that players go through hot and cold streaks. With a die, you aren't going to experience this. It is going to be random every time you roll.

I mentioned that in my posts but you are right. Players do go on streaks. I have no problem with players who are either warming up, or on fire making consecutive shots.

Which already naturally happens in this game because you are more likely to make shots while hot.

[Sleepy59]

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The comeback cheese has been around since 2k14. Ronnie himself admitted that the matches were 50/50 therefore it was not competitive. The game would force you to get turnovers/miss and the opposing team would be on fire until they catch up. 2k15 was a bit better but only at disguising it, they were a bit more discreet. Judging by the comments I don't think im going to play 2k16 online until this is fixed. I want a competitive game where the best man can win. Not where momentum shifts control the game.

[manu1433]

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I mentioned that in my posts but you are right. Players do go on streaks. I have no problem with players who are either warming up, or on fire making consecutive shots.

Which already naturally happens in this game because you are more likely to make shots while hot.

I added on some stats to the end of that post if you'd like to check them out. Figured you might be interested.

[manu1433]

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Just did some math. I looked at the top 40 players in makes of both open 3's and open jumpers from 8-16 feet and here is what I found:

The average open 3 point shooter shoots about 39.5%

The average open shooter from 8-16 feet shoots about 46.3%

I feel the game does a pretty good job of reflecting 3's and not mid range jumpers.

[takki]

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I added on some stats to the end of that post if you'd like to check them out. Figured you might be interested.

This is the reason why I did not mention players like Korver's incredible 50% from 3pt land last year.

The percentage of made threes can wildly vary due to a number of reasons. For example, if someone does not take alot of threes and is a good 3pt shooter, their percentage will be abnormally high. Just because Babbitt has a higher season average than Curry doesn't mean he's better from 3 than Curry is nor suggests that he should make 50% in game. Anyone can flip a coin 5 times and get heads 5 times. It doesn't mean it accurately portrays the actual realistic percentage of getting a heads (which is 50%, not 100%, which someone might infer if they flipped a coin and got all heads).

The reason why I used Curry is because he took a very large amount of 3s last season, so his averages are better at telling the story.

The 3pt mechanics should be based around a player's average ability because that's what the player performs like most nights. Those amazing outlier nights where a 3pt shooter goes 70% is because they are in rhythm/hot.

2k already has a hot/cold system in place that accounts for abnormal performances. Every once in a while, you are going to have a game where your 3pt shooter drains 2 in a row, becomes warm, drains another, become hot and then ends the game at 70% from three.

But in general, elite shooters should play like the averages suggest. Which is around 35%. Good 3pt shooters should be even lower.

Thanks for directing me towards your editted post, I looked at the stats you posted.

[RobMUFC1987]

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Well this doesn't seem to be an issue in MyPark anymore. Played a game earlier and some dude hit 4 3s in a row. Like most people, I was surprised the 2nd went in but the 3rd and 4th went in too. I even hit 2 3s with a standing 3 of 71. They weren't in a row but that put my total made 3s in MyPark to 4...

[KyotoCarl]

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The comeback cheese has been around since 2k14. Ronnie himself admitted that the matches were 50/50 therefore it was not competitive. The game would force you to get turnovers/miss and the opposing team would be on fire until they catch up. 2k15 was a bit better but only at disguising it, they were a bit more discreet. Judging by the comments I don't think im going to play 2k16 online until this is fixed. I want a competitive game where the best man can win. Not where momentum shifts control the game.

When did he say it was 50/50? That sounds very unlikely.
That would mean my record would be more or less 50 wins 50 losses in total?

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[manu1433]

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This is the reason why I did not mention players like Korver's incredible 50% from 3pt land last year.

The percentage of made threes can wildly vary due to a number of reasons. For example, if someone does not take alot of threes and is a good 3pt shooter, their percentage will be abnormally high. Just because Babbitt has a higher season average than Curry doesn't mean he's better from 3 than Curry is nor suggests that he should make 50% in game.

Thanks for directing me towards your editted post, I looked at the stats you posted.

Luke Babbit hit 34/65 with no defenders within 6 feet of him

Steph Curry hit 47/125....he had to take twice as many 3's to hit 13 more

Kyrie Irving hit 34/93


in my opinion, what you are actually overlooking, is that it is a whole lot easier for players who play off the ball like Luke Babbitt, Kyle Korver, Danny Green, etc to get an open shot as opposed to somebody like Curry.

Curry ranked 40th in wide open 3's made last season. When he actually is open, he had to work his butt off to get there.

If you look at the top 25 players who make the most open 3's, they are all primarily off the ball players for the most part. The exceptions are Brandon Knight and Vasquez who both are combo guards.

The only ball dominant players to crack the top 50 are Teague (43rd), Curry (40th), Paul (32nd), and Lillard (26th).

I honestly specifically chose the top 40 in makes for because the site is auto sorted that way and I'm not sure how to change it.

Also, I think guys just don't have as many wide open 3's as one would expect either. I know I expected larger numbers.

For example. I already stated that Curry hit 47 wide open 3's last year and is ranked 40th....that's only 17 more than LaMarcus Aldridge (30/66) who ranked 105th.

I honestly don't believe Curry's large sample is skewing the %'s that much at all. For whatever reason, he was just not as good as a lot of other players at hitting open 3's when he was open.

[Sundown]

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For example. I already stated that Curry hit 47 wide open 3's last year and is ranked 40th....that's only 17 more than LaMarcus Aldridge (30/66) who ranked 105th.

I honestly don't believe Curry's large sample is skewing the %'s that much at all. For whatever reason, he was just not as good as a lot of other players at hitting open 3's when he was open.

Chances are, Curry is taking some open threes off the dribble, possibly in transition. Another reason is that he's probably not shooting his open ones from the corners as much as a lot of spot up and off ball players.

[MadManCometh]

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Yesterday I played 6 games online and finally hit two in a row one game with Klay. He had good looks both times. And that's all I asked for. Some of u stat guys is over doing it with the stats. Look, nobody is saying I want guys going crazy on 3 and hitting 3, 4, 5 in a row. Just once in a while I would like to see a player knock a few down back to back if he's open and set. Prior to yesterday, I would never see that sequence. And that's my issue. I don't like absolutes, meaning I don't want a game program with hidden restrictions that says you can't hit a few 3s in a row because of some code. If I'm playing someone online with bad defense I would like to be able to punish them. And if I'm executing, give me the results I deserve. If u got restrictions like that in a game, then how long before the online community figures that out and purposedly start leaving guys open to double team because he knows the guy just hit one and won't hit another.

[Gosens6]

Nearly impossible to hit two straight 3's in a row

My thing is, during the course of a game, if a guy can get really hot and into a good groove, he CAN sometimes hit 2 or even 3 three point shots consecutively.

Most of us know the stats, we know that's not the norm, we know about 44% wide open shots blah blah blah, but seriously, cool it with the stats.

If Klay Thompson went off on you for 37 in a quarter in NBA 2K, you guys would be crying foul saying real life stats say that shouldn't happen so 2K should tune the shooting.

Stats are cool and all, but don't act like guys don't get hot and hit consecutive threes in real life.


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[Sundown]

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My thing is, during the course of a game, if a guy can get really hot and into a good groove, he CAN sometimes hit 2 or even 3 three point shots consecutively.

Most of us know the stats, we know that's not the norm, we know about 44% wide open shots blah blah blah, but seriously, cool it with the stats.

If Klay Thompson went off on you for 37 in a quarter in NBA 2K, you guys would be crying foul saying real life stats say that shouldn't happen so 2K should tune the shooting.

If Klay Thompson did this with any regularity, then yes, we should call foul.


If Klay Thompson does this in ONE game out of 346 games played, and no one else does in some 50,000 48-minute games, then it's fine.


Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense to use a record breaking, historical quarter that's only ever happened once in NBA history as something that shouldn't cause suspicion if it happens in any remotely repeatable way.


Anyway, even with the average open shot make percentage, you should be seeing two in a row on open shots roughly half the time after a make with a good shooter. And three in a row 1/4 of the time. To never hit two in a row is actually statistically improbable, because random distribution even at 44% should cause clustering of makes, just as it would cause clusterings of consecutive misses.

[Merize]

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The comeback cheese has been around since 2k14. Ronnie himself admitted that the matches were 50/50 therefore it was not competitive. The game would force you to get turnovers/miss and the opposing team would be on fire until they catch up. 2k15 was a bit better but only at disguising it, they were a bit more discreet. Judging by the comments I don't think im going to play 2k16 online until this is fixed. I want a competitive game where the best man can win. Not where momentum shifts control the game.

Have anyone seen a match with a difference of 30+ pts?
The comeback programming have been there and it's real. You can actually "feel" when a shot it's gonna miss or get in.

[Nevertheles109]

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My thing is, during the course of a game, if a guy can get really hot and into a good groove, he CAN sometimes hit 2 or even 3 three point shots consecutively.

Most of us know the stats, we know that's not the norm, we know about 44% wide open shots blah blah blah, but seriously, cool it with the stats.

If Klay Thompson went off on you for 37 in a quarter in NBA 2K, you guys would be crying foul saying real life stats say that shouldn't happen so 2K should tune the shooting.

Stats are cool and all, but don't act like guys don't get hot and hit consecutive threes in real life.


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Do you play with the shot meter on or off? With shot meter off and shot feedback on (Not sure exact terminology right now but right under shot meter toggle). I shoot around 40% from 3 pt putting up roughly 20-23/game.

Also, believe it or not, I've hit 3 in a row (two on back to back possessions then end of quarter few possessions later) with Patty Mills.

I think most of OS goes by the shot meter as the bible for successful shooting, which, in my opinion, yields lower shooting percentage.

My friends come to my house to play 2K and what do I hear all evening....it was right on the line; that should be in! Go by the feel and rhythm of the shot while factoring in the top of the release and results will improve.