Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Adding the boost is skewing the numbers..

Not to mention, boosts don't work in arena Pro Am.

[dnyce87]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Adding the boost is skewing the numbers..

It's why I said without boosts I agree with you. For me it's higher ball control for inside style that I think would make sense since shooting dips VERY low. I wish they could go back the old way and individualize the stats again. There weren't as many complaints from what I remember as there is now. Just apply some stat capping to the individualized stats and players can get the exact player they're looking for.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Your PF gets 81 in steal, 5'7" PG Inside gets 90 on his dunks and 75 on STRENGTH

^^^ The system is not flawed entirely but come on - these caps need more care, concentration, and mindfulness, and insight - was there no foresight to see how silly this 5'7 PG is? 80 Steal on your PF? Wth for... inn this strict cap system why does a midget get to dunk with the ferocity of Vince Carter and strength of Lebron?

The bucket system + cap system is way too restrictive and not conducive to developing specialized roles -- this is a cookie cutter style of creating a my player.

Status Quo says: perimeter players don't need rebounding and bigs don't need playmaker and that's predominately how players were created in 15 and again in 16.

*Simply choosing a scoring style is not creative enough, it's not distinctive enough , it's not authentic enough.

2k11 brought you individualism through single attribute allotments and play styles that would designate your cap system.

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My defense is maxed what's wrong with having 81 steal ?Anthony Davis has 84 steal. Draymond Green has a 73 steal. Guards stealing can go much higher And a 5'7 PG cannot dunk like Vince carter. His contact dunk isn't that high only his regular dunk rating come on man . That's pretty much open dunk ability and yes there are 5'7 guys that can really dunk.lebrons strength is a 89 too so idk where that comes from. If you wanna make a inside 5'7 guy that's your choice

And bigs can have decent playmaking . I barely put up playmaking and I'm already in the 60s. It's ball control which translates to dribbling that doesn't really improve. What's stopping you from putting rebounding up on your perimeter player? What's stopping you from getting defensive crasher?

[Crea8vity]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I mean I somewhat agree with the caps, but come on now it's not even that bad...

[DurtySoufReppin]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I think the overall problem with the caps is that they are limited to what 2k considers "inside" and "outside" because you're forced to buy blocks and not actual rating points.

There are "inside" players that are good 3 point shooters but average post fadeaway shooters like a Ron Artest, Lebron James, Draymond Green, and even bigs like Gasol.

When you force players to buy blocks of "outside" scoring you are not allowing them to add to a specific rating, therefore limiting what "inside", "outside", and "athletic" is.


With this logic, it's impossible to recreate real life player models because a Shaquille O neal type of player will always have a post hook equivalent to his post fadeaway and/or a Michael Jordan type player will be forced into being an all around shooter instead of mid range assassin.


I think these blocks are there so that 2k can keep that caps as cheese free as possible. It's a double-edge sword but I can't really argue with the results.

I love the fact that you have to really pick and choose what type of player you want to create based on the specific role you want to play on your team. Your weaknesses can be exploited this year.

Once 2k finds the balance in scoring, dunking, and defense then I believe they will release the free ratings again, until then I don't blame them.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

I think the overall problem with the caps is that they are limited to what 2k considers "inside" and "outside".

There are "inside" players that are good 3 point shooters but bad fadeaways.

When you force players to buy blocks of "outside" scoring you are not allowing them to add to a specific rating, therefore limiting what "inside", "outside", and "athletic" is.

I respect that . I have definitely wanted a player with good midrange but a bigger drop off in his 3 pointer .

Some of the complaints are way over exaggerated and some of the caps guys are quoting are wrong and misleading. Like the thread just implies that positions 2-4 aren't good in this game and that I don't agree with . They are just as good as a point or center in their own ways .

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

My defense is maxed what's wrong with having 81 steal ?Anthony Davis has 84 steal. Draymond Green has a 73 steal. Guards stealing can go much higher And a 5'7 PG cannot dunk like Vince carter. His contact dunk isn't that high only his regular dunk rating come on man . That's pretty much open dunk ability and yes there are 5'7 guys that can really dunk.lebrons strength is a 89 too so idk where that comes from. If you wanna make a inside 5'7 guy that's your choice

And bigs can have decent playmaking . I barely put up playmaking and I'm already in the 60s. It's ball control which translates to dribbling that doesn't really improve. What's stopping you from putting rebounding up on your perimeter player? What's stopping you from getting defensive crasher?

Durant has something like 88 speed and I think 80+ ball control - what's the position average for steals at PF? What's the position average for speed and ball control at SF?

Durant is an outlier, Draymond Green also is not your prototype PF let alone average PF.

It satisfies you to have 80 steal at PF which is higher than ball control on most (all MP) SG lol and you get boosted to what 85 steal? Plus a possible gym boost +15? Now compare your steal ability to ball control for a MP SF and MP SG lol and you see the other side of the fence now?



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[cablexdeadpool]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

No they don't lol.. Paul George, Melo, Lebron all routinely bring the ball up and create for themselves and others by DRIBBLING.

Paul George is 6'10 with 78 ball handling 70 speed

What's his 3 and mid range? When you can't shoot they don't have to guard you the same.

Umm yeah they bring the ball up and run PnR or swing the ball around, they do not play like point guards. You can do the same thing in Park if you don't try play like a point guard. Only Lebron is plays somewhat point guardish. A point forward only brings the ball up and gets a team into it's offense, he doesn't dribble all over the place.

Paul George has 74 ball handling, with 70 passing accuracy, like I said before, caps are within 2K own ratings for current SF star players. Basically your offensive limit as a SF is Paul George.

Only Andre Iguodala, Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony got dribbling at 80 or above 80. Lebron has 77 ball handling. Evan Turner 74....so yeah, so much for play-making theory and ball control ratings.

And you know what you could do...you could make a 6'7 PG and be a point forward. I did that last year. You have choices, I wanted to make Scottie Pippen so I made Scottie Pippen. And I didn't have 90 plus ball handling because I added stats to rebounding, I made a legit point forward.

And Paul George only has a 78 moving midrange and 86 standing three and OMG... you can be like Paul George if you pick outside SF at 6'10...

Yall are just complaining to complain cause only PGs can dribble like Kyrie now. If you wanna dribble, make a point guard. Every RPG style game got classes, but once 2K made actual classes instead of having C's with 85 speed and 7' SFs with 85 dribbling, people get mad.

Just make a point guard.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Lol, I've found it hilarious that PFs, and even Cs, have resorted to reaching/Pick Pocket when SGs/SFs drive in arena Pro Am, because they know their steal rating/success is much higher than the SGs/SFs ball control, resulting in very easy strips in the paint.

[cablexdeadpool]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

2K needs to tone down on users losing the ball in general.

The computer almost never loses the ball, but you can be the user and get bumped and lose the ball.

Also, big men having high steal success is stupid. 2K just needs to go back to 2K11 MyCareer all the way or just make MyCareer and Park/ProAM seperate from each other and come up with a whole new system that forces people to specialize yet individualize their player for Park/ProAM and then MyCareer people can make Kevin Durants, Lebrons, Magics, KGs and etc.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

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Durant has something like 88 speed and I think 80+ ball control - what's the position average for steals at PF? What's the position average for speed and ball control at SF?

Durant is an outlier, Draymond Green also is not your prototype PF let alone average PF.

It satisfies you to have 80 steal at PF which is higher than ball control on most (all MP) SG lol and you get boosted to what 85 steal? Plus a possible gym boost +15? Now compare your steal ability to ball control for a MP SF and MP SG lol and you see the other side of the fence now?



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Let me ask you this what's your position and scoring style . What are you having a hard time with there's help. Believe it or not you can still be effective with the caps

....Or are we just gone sit here and not try to compensate ?

[dnyce87]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Lol, I've found it hilarious that PFs, and even Cs, have resorted to reaching/Pick Pocket when SGs/SFs drive in arena Pro Am, because they know their steal rating/success is much higher than the SGs/SFs ball control, resulting in very easy strips in the paint.

This is why I think steal success or the collision animation gotta be re-worked somehow. I completely agree with u on this. If you won't raise ball control which is primarily the problem for wing players (no I don't mean 90+ ball control with kyrie and chris paul handles), then lower that steal/strip success so that wing players can drive to the paint and make a play instead of being 1 dimensional taking open jumpers with plenty of daylight cuz lord knows that defender will strip the jumper too lol. Well maybe not always on jumpers, but driving to the rim with any type of traffic even if it's light almost results in an automatic strip with users spamming that steal button, pickpocket and high steal rating.

[cablexdeadpool]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

This is why I think steal success or the collision animation gotta be re-worked somehow. I completely agree with u on this. If you won't raise ball control which is primarily the problem for wing players (no I don't mean 90+ ball control with kyrie and chris paul handles), then lower that steal/strip success so that wing players can drive to the paint and make a play instead of being 1 dimensional taking open jumpers with plenty of daylight cuz lord knows that defender will strip the jumper too lol. Well maybe not always on jumpers, but driving to the rim with any type of traffic even if it's light almost results in an automatic strip with users spamming that steal button, pickpocket and high steal rating.

They really need to separate defense into perimeter and post if they are going to do the whole bucket thing.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

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Let me ask you this what's your position and scoring style . What are you having a hard time with there's help. Believe it or not you can still be effective with the caps

....Or are we just gone sit here and not try to compensate ?

I get by just fine @SG but that's my position and I use my player interchangeably at PG as well in Park and Career - my ability to get by and succeed does not by itself give credibility to the system and make it A1.

In My Park, I average 7.2PPG, 1.7RPG 2.2AP - that's between 11 - 13 points I am responsible for through assists and scores on average out of a possible 21 on average from my 6'6" balanced SG (no pro am games). My outside scoring has 10 bars (67/70 3pt/mid), inside 15, and athlete 17.

My personal success ^^ does not equate to me enjoying the game play experience. I know the my player experience can fundamentally improve with a better ratings system that better satisfies both offensive and defensive stars - more balance is needed via higher and lower ceilings in the respective abilities.



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[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Small Forwards are imbalanced. SG,SF, and PFs need Boosts.

Umm yeah they bring the ball up and run PnR or swing the ball around, they do not play like point guards. You can do the same thing in Park if you don't try play like a point guard. Only Lebron is plays somewhat point guardish. A point forward only brings the ball up and gets a team into it's offense, he doesn't dribble all over the place.

Paul George has 74 ball handling, with 70 passing accuracy, like I said before, caps are within 2K own ratings for current SF star players. Basically your offensive limit as a SF is Paul George.

Only Andre Iguodala, Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony got dribbling at 80 or above 80. Lebron has 77 ball handling. Evan Turner 74....so yeah, so much for play-making theory and ball control ratings.

And you know what you could do...you could make a 6'7 PG and be a point forward. I did that last year. You have choices, I wanted to make Scottie Pippen so I made Scottie Pippen. And I didn't have 90 plus ball handling because I added stats to rebounding, I made a legit point forward.

And Paul George only has a 78 moving midrange and 86 standing three and OMG... you can be like Paul George if you pick outside SF at 6'10...

Yall are just complaining to complain cause only PGs can dribble like Kyrie now. If you wanna dribble, make a point guard. Every RPG style game got classes, but once 2K made actual classes instead of having C's with 85 speed and 7' SFs with 85 dribbling, people get mad.

Just make a point guard.

Agreed . A lot more diversity this way