If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

[Gosens6]

Seriously, these broken threads are getting so old and tiresome, and every time I go into one, it's someone complaining about the HOF difficulty level and how "broken" it is and how much the AI "cheats"

Newsflash! This is what the game is SUPPOSED to do. The devs of the game has said the AI gets an advantage on this level, it's supposed to be much harder than every other level, and it's not meant to be in a sim or realistic manner.

I know everyone wishes that the higher you go in difficulty, the more sim the game gets, that just DOES NOT HAPPEN YET. We're not there yet, who knows if we ever will be, but we're not.

HOF level was designed to give you your hardest challenge, and that calls for the AI hitting bs shots, you missing fairly easy and open shots , etc on a regular basis.

So before we get anymore shooting is broken threads, or anymore HOF cheats threads, think about this and look at yourself as a player. Do you want the hardest challenge you can get? Or do you want to play sim basketball? We all wish we could have it both ways, but the game isn't built that way.

Deal with it, adjust sliders or go play a different game. But stop with this broken ****, because the game is far from broken.


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[Wolf Ticket]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

You're wrong, we are there because even back in the early 360/ps3 days the challenge of HOF has been about getting good looks on offense and stopping the CPU from getting good looks, not handicapping shooting.

For the record HOF isn't much of a challenge this year if you play a certain way, pick n roll and post ups can be exploited like never before.

I don't want to have to mess with the sliders till I get it right, there are too many sliders and I don't have the time or the patience to do 2k's job for them.

I wouldn't use the term "broken" but the difficulty between point in the paint and points off of jumpers does need to be re-balanced.

[Gosens6]

If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

You're wrong, we are there because even back in the early 360/ps3 days the challenge of HOF has been about getting good looks on offense and stopping the CPU from getting good looks, not handicapping shooting.



For the record HOF isn't much of a challenge this year if you play a certain way, pick n roll and post ups can be exploited like never before.



I don't want to have to mess with the sliders till I get it right, there are too many sliders and I don't have the time or the patience to do 2k's job for them.



I wouldn't use the term "broken" but the difficulty between point in the paint and points off of jumpers does need to be re-balanced.

I'm wrong??? Seriously, dude? So when the developers of the game have come here and stated pretty much exactly what I have? I'm wrong?

If you have to exploit the low post game and the pnr game to win, you don't care much about a realistic challenge anyway.

So the people who made the game are wrong? Okay.


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[trandoanhung1991]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

Seriously, these broken threads are getting so old and tiresome, and every time I go into one, it's someone complaining about the HOF difficulty level and how "broken" it is and how much the AI "cheats"

Newsflash! This is what the game is SUPPOSED to do. The devs of the game has said the AI gets an advantage on this level, it's supposed to be much harder than every other level, and it's not meant to be in a sim or realistic manner.

I know everyone wishes that the higher you go in difficulty, the more sim the game gets, that just DOES NOT HAPPEN YET. We're not there yet, who knows if we ever will be, but we're not.

HOF level was designed to give you your hardest challenge, and that calls for the AI hitting bs shots, you missing fairly easy and open shots , etc on a regular basis.

So before we get anymore shooting is broken threads, or anymore HOF cheats threads, think about this and look at yourself as a player. Do you want the hardest challenge you can get? Or do you want to play sim basketball? We all wish we could have it both ways, but the game isn't built that way.

Deal with it, adjust sliders or go play a different game. But stop with this broken ****, because the game is far from broken.


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I don't care if I miss open shots. I don't care if they hit contested shots.

What I do care about is how defense is completely useless on HoF. Your teammates can't play D.

I can understand if Westbrook makes his contested layups or Kobe making contested shots, but someone like Chandler Parsons shouldn't be going around trying and succeeding in ISOing against Kevin Durant. Or how people who can barely do layups can consistently hit double clutch contact and-1s. The boosted ratings completely change the way players and teams play, leading to a complete mess. It also happens, but to a lesser degree, on Superstar.

We complain about HoF because in a sense HoF is extremely easy. I can put up godlike numbers on HoF all day long, but so will the CPU. And that's the problem. I do not want to have to go 50/10/15 on 70% shooting just to have a chance at beating the CPU (MyCareer strictly, haven't tried other modes).

I don't want to see 130-140 point games every single game. I don't want to see both teams shooting well over 60% because every single game is a scoring contest, not a basketball contest. And that is basically what HoF boils down to, in my experience.

[Gosens6]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

I don't care if I miss open shots. I don't care if they hit contested shots.



What I do care about is how defense is completely useless on HoF. Your teammates can't play D.



I can understand if Westbrook makes his contested layups or Kobe making contested shots, but someone like Chandler Parsons shouldn't be going around trying and succeeding in ISOing against Kevin Durant.



We complain about HoF because in a sense HoF is extremely easy. I can put up godlike numbers on HoF all day long, but so will the CPU. And that's the problem. I do not want to have to go 50/10/15 on 70% shooting just to have a chance at beating the CPU (MyCareer strictly, haven't tried other modes).



I don't want to see 130-140 point games every single game. I don't want to see both teams shooting well over 60% because every single game is a scoring contest, not a basketball contest. And that is basically what HoF boils down to, in my experience.

You wanna know why that's your experience? Because of the huge boosts the CPU gets to score, you have to do whatever you can to score also, even if that means doing it in ways that aren't realistic, sim ball.

I bet if you were to stream a game on HOF for us on twitch, you'd have to use the same techniques to score that the CPU does just to keep up with them.

The boost the CPU gets is real, and you, being an experience 2K player knows how to score and keep up with them. Let me just ask, have you tried messing with sliders or playing on a lower difficulty level?

I know some guys are set in there ways and refuse to play anything but HOF, but I always try and tell folks that you can still find a nice challenge on superstar and all star.

I've been playing since NBA 2K on the dream cast and I don't touch HOF with a 10 foot pole. I can beat HOF, just like you can, but I'd rather win some and lose some on superstar and all star while getting a decent, realistic game of bball


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[Wolf Ticket]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

Did you read what I posted or just flip out when I said you're wrong? LOL

I know everyone wishes that the higher you go in difficulty, the more sim the game gets, that just DOES NOT HAPPEN YET. We're not there yet, who knows if we ever will be, but we're not.

When I said you're wrong this what I was referring to, you might have caught onto that if you read more than one sentence.

[Gosens6]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

Did you read what I posted or just flip out when I said you're wrong? LOL



When I said you're wrong this what I was referring to, you might have caught onto that if you read more than one sentence.

Actually I read your entire post, and I'm referring to you saying I'm wrong about that, which I am not.

I remember an extensive discussion with mike wang or czar about this exact subject. And I used their words, "we're not there yet" so no sir, you're wrong


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[Wolf Ticket]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

Actually I read your entire post, and I'm referring to you saying I'm wrong about that, which I am not.

I remember an extensive discussion with mike wang or czar about this exact subject. And I used their words, "we're not there yet" so no sir, you're wrong


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Sauce?

Even if they did say that, the AI playing smarter depending on difficulty is something I've seen in previous nba2k games, nobody can tell me it's not possible because it's happened.

[SonnyFranchise]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

My only problem, as stated before is defense, Offense is almost too easy on HOF.

But it is broken to a certain extent. Currently 10-22 with the Chicago Bulls averaging a triple double. With Rose,Gasol,Butler putting up NUMBERS. (All have dropped 35+ this season in a game)

My problem is that on defense, besides Butler they tend to not even be in the area. Literally leaving open any jackass that can shoot the ball. Rose will be standing in the paint while Jeff Teague is on the 3pt Line.

I'm not saying he needs to be a lockdown defender. But he's not even in position to contest it. It's bad enough MCW burned him for 40 while making 6/8 from 3! He has like a 62 3PT shot.

It is broken, it's never been that bad for A.I Defense. 2k15 I never had that problem, atleast not to this height.

[Gosens6]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

Sauce?



Even if they did say that, the AI playing smarter depending on difficulty is something I've seen in previous nba2k games, nobody can tell me it's not possible because it's happened.

The fact that you're confusing smarter with artificial boosts concerns me.

HOF difficulty has never been about the AI being smarter. It's about them being better than you and doing whatever they have to do to score.

And if by sauce you meant source, I'm not digging up 2-3 year old threads to find the exact quote. There were others in the thread discussing it as well, hopefully one of them will come in here and vouch for this.


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[Crookid]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

What about HOF being too easy?

In MC, I am winning by 30 points and my team is shooting 65-70% unless I am playing the Cavs or Warriors. Then we MIGHT lose because they shoot 75%.

Maybe we aren't there yet, but if I set the game to HOF Simulation, I would expect teams (including my own) should have a harder time making baskets.

Fine, give the AI an unfair advantage. But stop making games end so high scoring. It's ridiculously immersive breaking.

[iam31yearsold]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

Legit DaCzar has tweeted that HOF intentionally cheats with boosts for an unrealistic challenge.

He works on the game.

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[Gosens6]

If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

Legit DaCzar has tweeted that HOF intentionally cheats with boosts for an unrealistic challenge.

He works on the game.

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Thank you. A gameplay producer has tweeted it and people still dispute the fact.


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[DolfanDave]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

This going back and forth is entertaining but it doesn't matter what level you play on. But for the record i play on Superstar. The reason it is "easy" is mainly because of bad cpu ai logic . Transition defense leading to fastbreak created by cpu ai and even if fastbreak is stopped then there is a mismatch because of the preprogrammed zoning by 2 defenders and which causes other players switching to check players that the zoning cpu players left unguarded, pnr glitch (players leaving defenders on wing wide open to help where none is needed) , cpu ai offball defender "man crush" with the ballhandler instead of their own man. Cpu ai confusions on who to guard. All leads to this being too "easy" no matter what level

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[Wolf Ticket]

Re: If you play on HOF, the game is NOT broken

The fact that you're confusing smarter with artificial boosts concerns me.

HOF difficulty has never been about the AI being smarter. It's about them being better than you and doing whatever they have to do to score.

And if by sauce you meant source, I'm not digging up 2-3 year old threads to find the exact quote. There were others in the thread discussing it as well, hopefully one of them will come in here and vouch for this.


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The fact that you're quoting something from "2-3 years" ago concerns me, You mean the quote isn't even referring to this console generation let alone this game? How that relevant?

In my experience on HOF in previous game the AI will work for and take smarter shots the higher the difficulty goes and their defense will improve, massively handicapping the users shooting ability has never been part of it.