My iso nightmare

[jfsolo]

Re: My iso nightmare

I've become the same way. At that point there's no honor or decorum to be kept. I switch from trying to have fun playing basketball to having fun playing a game and beating them at what they do.

Hopefully after the next batch of patches we really will be able to solve these types of issues with "basketball solutions".

This is why I can never play online. This is completely unacceptable to me.

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

Certain players on this game, Curry and Harden and etc, you can't actually got the double animation all the time, they dribble out of it.

Anyway....

Man you messed up. I cheese people like that right back.

Rockets don't have shooters anyway.

What you do is, run 3-2 zone, put it on forced direction on middle, double on drive and trap him everything he gets the ball. And defense helps on Auto and neutral aggression.

You have Tony Allen and Mike Conley, I would just trap with them everything time and I would trap every single ballhandler, when he is coming up the court. I would switch between 32, 23 and full court trap.

When players start getting on my nerves, that's the type of stuff I do.

My biggest issue is damn James Harden shouldn't be dunking like that. First and foremost.

2nd, I would have put someone with length on him, gave him space and doubled that dude the whole game.

Do you feel less SIM if you double one player the whole game? Honest question.

I keep seeing the same type of post. That didn't double team and force to the middle. I uploaded some more clips. Just so people can see what I was seeing.

https://youtu.be/hUjU4kxikpI

Some bump steals I got on him. Only run I made during the game.

https://youtu.be/_mt75ASB6Jw

Or

https://youtu.be/BPtejzx9MVg

Best part about this. Is that there is way more clips.... Because he did it over and over lol
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[MrBallaBoy21]

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You defended a lot better when you let the computer guard Harden and you contained him with a 2nd defender yourself. Playing off-ball becomes necessary when

A. you just can't guard someone

B. the computer doesn't help like you want them to

I didn't read your entire first post but did you have the "protect the paint" POE set? Sam Pham made a video last year about that setting and it improved my defense a lot in combination with individual defensive adjustments.

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

You defended a lot better when you let the computer guard Harden and you contained him with a 2nd defender yourself. Playing off-ball becomes necessary when

A. you just can't guard someone

B. the computer doesn't help like you want them to

I didn't read your entire first post but did you have the "protect the paint" POE set? Sam Pham made a video last year about that setting and it improved my defense a lot in combination with individual defensive adjustments.

Yup... I did that... After the first timeout. I had it on protect the paint. At that point it was 4 to 5

I actually got worst. He seem to get by the computer even easier. He also would draw fouls repeatly on CPU controlled teammates.

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[Nevertheles109]

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Yup... I did that... After the first timeout. I had it on protect the paint. At that point it was 4 to 5

I actually got worst. He seem to get by the computer even easier. He also would draw fouls repeatly on CPU controlled teammates.

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Jeebs, let me know if this helps because I play against friends that play EXACTLY like this, lol. It's typically Steph or KD and it's head to head, not online so YMMV.

As other posters indicated, use protect the paint. NEVER use physical defense unless you have a perimeter oriented player and you'd like hard close outs. In the paint, your players will foul much more with that setting on.

Deny Harden and moderate on-ball because he seemed reluctant to shoot the J. Double on drive for Harden and go under screens and send your bigs under the screens as well with a soft hedge. For other perimeter threats like Ariza or Motunious (Butchered spelling), Deny ball so the double comes from the correct personnel (Mike Conley and Marc Gasol). Another IMPORTANT aspect is to pre-rotate on driving threats like D12 and Montunious.

I watched the vids and how often do you use LT when defending? Anticipate where he is going (He seemed easy as he only really wanted to go baseline) and utilize LT and the other back button to bump him and slow down Harden's moment. Once you bump him and have your defense in position, start bringing your help defender (preferably a big) between the free throw line and the wing. Ideally, your double should already be incoming pestering his additional dribble moves.

Next, anticipate the pass and this is why it was imperative you put pre-rotate to on with the bigs! The help will help the help and if done correctly, plenty of turnovers and easy transition buckets until he opens the floor and utilized Harden as a facilitator and makes the extra pass to find the open man.

Lastly, don't let him dance around you with Harden. Remember how GS exposed Harden on the close out game constantly pestering him with several defenders and never letting him get into his signature ISO moves? If I remember correctly, he had 12 turnovers. If he still got his with these adjustments, send the double on the catch and deny (or tight) appropriate personnel. LT is your friend Jeebs, press the hell out of too!

Let me know if I helped at all.

P.S: You still got jerked on a few possessions.. In my crib when we play we call that "2K Love" and also, "shout out to my _____ 2K" salutes too haha

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: My iso nightmare

I haven't played against the Rockets that much online but James Harden is annoying in this game. His dunk animations are pretty damn OP.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: My iso nightmare

I play these types of guys the same way I play people that spam Lebron. Just put your best defender on him and let the CPU play him while you bring over help to prevent the drive

I learned the hard way that it's pointless to try and guard superstars one on one, they can just brute force their way passed you 80% of the time

[Kodii Rockets]

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When EYE play these dudes, anyone I don't know online, the first thing I'm thinking about is baseline. As you see, there's no real strategy besides that. 80% of the moves that they do are to get them back to that baseline spot to initiate the lay-up, crossover/baseline, crossover/behind the back/baseline, hesitation/baseline. Their strategy doesn't really change.

I've always went w/ the Tom Thibadeaux man/zone concept on defense. I over commit to the baseline, gap - offball anyone who isn't an absolute KNOCKDOWN shooter. ie. gap PF, gap PG, Auto Ariza/SF, I don't want those other guys getting caught in animations against their men, and I want them able to move freely to the ball to help.

Another thing is to pay attention to who they have in that deep corner when they iso, that's the man I'm icon'ing over for the double. Not immediately, but as he's committing, it's A) a hard pass to get over to him if he decides to B)just his presence near the paint decreases the chances of a successful dunk or layup.

As I'm watching, it's looking like you're still playing him to the middle on those drives for some reason, again, their directive is to ALWAYS take baseline. The only thing that makes sense is that you're playing his shooting hand, which is a thing I love to do, and I think too many people who play 2K don't realize. It helps immensely. But you're saying he didn't shoot jumpers at all, so cut that baseline all the way off, get to that 'spot' near the baseline, feather that controller, let him do the And1 moves to his hearts content, that take off spot where they all try to go is their objective, so you make getting to that spot first yours. We all know that layup sweet spot that they need to get to. Commit there. If you've got a quick handed defender reach when you stop him or he's pulling it back out, otherwise it's like real life, just move those feet and beat him to that spot before he can gain momentum and 'slide' past you with that lay-up animation.

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

Jeebs, let me know if this helps because I play against friends that play EXACTLY like this, lol. It's typically Steph or KD and it's head to head, not online so YMMV.

As other posters indicated, use protect the paint. NEVER use physical defense unless you have a perimeter oriented player and you'd like hard close outs. In the paint, your players will foul much more with that setting on.

Deny Harden and moderate on-ball because he seemed reluctant to shoot the J. Double on drive for Harden and go under screens and send your bigs under the screens as well with a soft hedge. For other perimeter threats like Ariza or Motunious (Butchered spelling), Deny ball so the double comes from the correct personnel (Mike Conley and Marc Gasol). Another IMPORTANT aspect is to pre-rotate on driving threats like D12 and Montunious.

I watched the vids and how often do you use LT when defending? Anticipate where he is going (He seemed easy as he only really wanted to go baseline) and utilize LT and the other back button to bump him and slow down Harden's moment. Once you bump him and have your defense in position, start bringing your help defender (preferably a big) between the free throw line and the wing. Ideally, your double should already be incoming pestering his additional dribble moves.

Next, anticipate the pass and this is why it was imperative you put pre-rotate to on with the bigs! The help will help the help and if done correctly, plenty of turnovers and easy transition buckets until he opens the floor and utilized Harden as a facilitator and makes the extra pass to find the open man.

Lastly, don't let him dance around you with Harden. Remember how GS exposed Harden on the close out game constantly pestering him with several defenders and never letting him get into his signature ISO moves? If I remember correctly, he had 12 turnovers. If he still got his with these adjustments, send the double on the catch and deny (or tight) appropriate personnel. LT is your friend Jeebs, press the hell out of too!

Let me know if I helped at all.

P.S: You still got jerked on a few possessions.. In my crib when we play we call that "2K Love" and also, "shout out to my _____ 2K" salutes too haha

When EYE play these dudes, anyone I don't know online, the first thing I'm thinking about is baseline. As you see, there's no real strategy besides that. 80% of the moves that they do are to get them back to that baseline spot to initiate the lay-up, crossover/baseline, crossover/behind the back/baseline, hesitation/baseline. Their strategy doesn't really change.

I've always went w/ the Tom Thibadeaux man/zone concept on defense. I over commit to the baseline, gap - offball anyone who isn't an absolute KNOCKDOWN shooter. ie. gap PF, gap PG, Auto Ariza/SF, I don't want those other guys getting caught in animations against their men, and I want them able to move freely to the ball to help.

Another thing is to pay attention to who they have in that deep corner when they iso, that's the man I'm icon'ing over for the double. Not immediately, but as he's committing, it's A) a hard pass to get over to him if he decides to B)just his presence near the paint decreases the chances of a successful dunk or layup.

As I'm watching, it's looking like you're still playing him to the middle on those drives for some reason, again, their directive is to ALWAYS take baseline. The only thing that makes sense is that you're playing his shooting hand, which is a thing I love to do, and I think too many people who play 2K don't realize. It helps immensely. But you're saying he didn't shoot jumpers at all, so cut that baseline all the way off, get to that 'spot' near the baseline, feather that controller, let him do the And1 moves to his hearts content, that take off spot where they all try to go is their objective, so you make getting to that spot first yours. We all know that layup sweet spot that they need to get to. Commit there. If you've got a quick handed defender reach when you stop him or he's pulling it back out, otherwise it's like real life, just move those feet and beat him to that spot before he can gain momentum and 'slide' past you with that lay-up animation.

Thank You guys for the feedback.

But here are a few of my successful double teams and bad 1.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hUjU4kxikpI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> But I'm doing exactly what you talked about. And doubling from the corner. There is just a really bad rotation by Z-Bo. And 1....

These are some of the really good double teams I got on him.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_mt75ASB6Jw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BPtejzx9MVg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

But I think those and1 baskets and dunks he got at the rim with the other players. Made me stop doubling him. Even though I was getting exactly what I wanted. And should of kept doubling him. And force the others to beat me. Instead of Harden getting to the line a few times.

[YDBoUnCe]

Re: My iso nightmare

The one video where the players get moved out of the way on the buzzer layup would really be rectified if all players got the baseline shield the ball handler gets.

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[cablexdeadpool]

Re: My iso nightmare

I keep seeing the same type of post. That didn't double team and force to the middle. I uploaded some more clips. Just so people can see what I was seeing.

https://youtu.be/hUjU4kxikpI

Some bump steals I got on him. Only run I made during the game.

https://youtu.be/_mt75ASB6Jw

Or

https://youtu.be/BPtejzx9MVg

Best part about this. Is that there is way more clips.... Because he did it over and over lol
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It doesn't look like you were in a zone though. Looks like you were in man the entire game. You should've got into and stayed in zone the entire match because players like that guy will start passing the ball crazy when you trap him in the corner or at halfcourt.

While in zone, put on limit perimeter offense and physical defense so your defenders would jump passes.

And you don't always have to force him to the middle, if somebody wants to go baseline every time, it's okay to let him get baseline and then trap him in the corner and then bring your C over to clog the paint. I much rather prefer baseliners to stay near the baseline because there are no options there.

Only reason you put it on force middle and double team on drive is so when your opponent drives to the paint, the double team comes quicker. You by yourself can use the baseline as an extra defender if you shade him that way and cut him off and it easier to do that while in a 2-3 zone because you have help.

What you did wasn't smart, you had him in the corner, and then you let him dribble to the middle where the help is and you didn't switch between usering the C and the perimeter help defender.

When you had that bump animation when he was near the corner, that was your time to pounce and keep forcing him baseline because you had the help coming and then you user the C.

You gotta do both.

Sometimes, when a user just wanna run around with a particular player, I would guard his bailout options and force him to give it up.

You did good trying to defend him, but a lot of times, it looked like you was just waiting for him to do what he wanted to do and reacted to it. Against cheesers with superstar players, you gotta be proactive and be a jackass and don't let him do anything, send double teams, trap his point guard, trap him backcourt off of defensive rebounds. You just gotta be a dick on defense.

[DC]

Re: My iso nightmare

I would be very careful gapping (off-ball) non-threats that are great offensive rebounders. You need to keep a body on those folks. Moderate.

[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

It doesn't look like you were in a zone though. Looks like you were in man the entire game. You should've got into and stayed in zone the entire match because players like that guy will start passing the ball crazy when you trap him in the corner or at halfcourt.

While in zone, put on limit perimeter offense and physical defense so your defenders would jump passes.

And you don't always have to force him to the middle, if somebody wants to go baseline every time, it's okay to let him get baseline and then trap him in the corner and then bring your C over to clog the paint. I much rather prefer baseliners to stay near the baseline because there are no options there.

Only reason you put it on force middle and double team on drive is so when your opponent drives to the paint, the double team comes quicker. You by yourself can use the baseline as an extra defender if you shade him that way and cut him off and it easier to do that while in a 2-3 zone because you have help.

What you did wasn't smart, you had him in the corner, and then you let him dribble to the middle where the help is and you didn't switch between usering the C and the perimeter help defender.

When you had that bump animation when he was near the corner, that was your time to pounce and keep forcing him baseline because you had the help coming and then you user the C.

You gotta do both.

Sometimes, when a user just wanna run around with a particular player, I would guard his bailout options and force him to give it up.

You did good trying to defend him, but a lot of times, it looked like you was just waiting for him to do what he wanted to do and reacted to it. Against cheesers with superstar players, you gotta be proactive and be a jackass and don't let him do anything, send double teams, trap his point guard, trap him backcourt off of defensive rebounds. You just gotta be a dick on defense.

You probably didn't see the clips then... Because I was in a zone in at least 3 of them.

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[jeebs9]

Re: My iso nightmare

The one video where the players get moved out of the way on the buzzer layup would really be rectified if all players got the baseline shield the ball handler gets.

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I'm really surprised i didn't quit after that basket. Because I noticed it as soon as it happen.

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