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    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #181
    Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

    Originally posted by MadManCometh
    But they alluded to that. Many companies do that. Strategic marketing that word something in a manner to have "you" fill in the blanks to make u think something is a certain way.
    Im not filling in anything

    Thats the short version and nowhere does the blog allude to what you just said. Its ridiculous of you to continue to justify something you just said was inaccurate

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    • MadManCometh
      Banned
      • Aug 2007
      • 459

      #182
      Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

      Originally posted by 23
      Im not filling in anything

      Thats the short version and nowhere does the blog allude to what you just said. Its ridiculous of you to continue to justify something you just said was inaccurate
      Continuing to justify ? What I'm I justifying? I was just making an opinion man. Just an observation. Nothing to justify. I agreed with something someone else commented on actually. Just my opinion.

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #183
        Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

        Originally posted by MadManCometh
        Continuing to justify ? What I'm I justifying? I was just making an opinion man. Just an observation. Nothing to justify.
        It wasn't even an opinion, you just flat out made something up.

        I'm all for calling them out if they lied but I'm not sure where you get your "observation" from if they never said that in the blog. They even go into more detail which makes what you said even more false

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        • Goffs
          New Ork Giants
          • Feb 2003
          • 12279

          #184
          Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

          Originally posted by MadManCometh
          Continuing to justify ? What I'm I justifying? I was just making an opinion man. Just an observation. Nothing to justify. I agreed with something someone else commented on actually. Just my opinion.
          I'm sorry but how is it an opinion?

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          • MadManCometh
            Banned
            • Aug 2007
            • 459

            #185
            Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

            Originally posted by 23
            It wasn't even an opinion, you just flat out made something up.

            I'm all for calling them out if they lied but I'm not sure where you get your "observation" from if they never said that in the blog. They even go into more detail which makes what you said even more false
            They blog said the "adaptive coaching" adapts to what the user is doing correct?

            What I'm saying, that is very limited. Because I can adapt to the game and the technology is simply not there to adapt dynamically back and forth with me like a real human coach or user would. It will adapt to some things but on a small scale. There are plays I can do over and kill the CPU consistently. So it's a limited technology. A real advanced system would cost thousands. They used the word "dynamic", which suggests certain things. And the technology that we have on these current systems, it's just not the case

            Therefore that's why I said they "allude" in a manner to make someone think it's a certain way when it's really "dynamic" on a much smaller scale., and infact not dynamic at all. A dynamic AI. Is a A.I. that have multiple variations and levels where the A.i. can adjust and do many different things. That's not the case in this $60 game, IMHO.

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            • BA2929
              The Designated Hitter
              • Jul 2008
              • 3342

              #186
              Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

              Originally posted by Impetuous65
              I don't think the adaptive coaching engine is working properly if at all.
              I have to make defensive and offensive adjustments all the time in my offline games on Superstar or the CPU will wreck me.

              So yes, it seems to be working.

              Originally posted by MadManCometh
              TBecause I can adapt to the game and the technology is simply not there to adapt dynamically back and forth with me like a real human coach or user would.
              That technology you're referring to doesn't even exist in the world. So unless you have extremely high expectations for a PS4 game, then nobody should have even expected the AI to "adjust like a real human would". What they said doesn't even imply that the AI is going to adapt like a real human. It just says it's going to adjust dynamically to what you do. And it does. Well that is, unless you try and break it which is easy because you're a human and it's a computer with a set limitations of things it can do. AI is 'artificial'. This isn't the movie 'Ex Machina'.
              Last edited by BA2929; 11-11-2015, 05:51 PM.
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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #187
                Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                Originally posted by MadManCometh
                They blog said the "adaptive coaching" adapts to what the user is doing correct?

                What I'm saying, that is very limited. Because I can adapt to the game and the technology is simply not there to adapt dynamically back and forth with me like a real human coach or user would. It will adapt to some things but on a small scale. There are plays I can do over and kill the CPU consistently. So it's a limited technology. A real advanced system would cost thousands. They used the word "dynamic", which suggests certain things. And the technology that we have on these current systems, it's just not the case

                Therefore that's why I said they "allude" in a manner to make someone think it's a certain way when it's really "dynamic" on a much smaller scale., and infact not dynamic at all. A dynamic AI. Is a A.I. that have multiple variations and levels where the A.i. can adjust and do many different things. That's not the case in this $60 game, IMHO.
                No you're still making up a bunch of nonsense off of false assumptions and trying to apply said supposition off something 2k never said at all.

                They never alluded to anything. The blog gives very clear examples of what the defensive AI does with pictures and player examples yet you want to continue on with your broken narrative of assumption.

                You've completely ignored what I posted straight from the blog, nor are you using anything directly quoted from what was posted from the blog.

                Its sad how people believe what they want and make up whatever they want on the internet and try to spew that to other people.

                You're blatantly caught up in your own misconception in plain sight and still refuse to leave it alone.

                Its easy to see talking about technology acting like a human hasn't been achieved in anything at all yet you expect it to be THAT advanced in a video game. Smh
                Last edited by 23; 11-11-2015, 06:19 PM.

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                • Goffs
                  New Ork Giants
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 12279

                  #188
                  Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                  Originally posted by 23
                  You've completely ignored what I posted straight from the blog, nor are you using anything directly quoted from what was posted from the blog.
                  Yeah....that's kinda like his thing....completely ignore an explanation and just go off on his own thing.

                  Only person to successfully get him to back of was sundown lol

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #189
                    Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                    Originally posted by Goffs
                    Yeah....that's kinda like his thing....completely ignore an explanation and just go off on his own thing.

                    Only person to successfully get him to back of was sundown lol
                    Im not even doing that, i just saw some nonsense and called him on it

                    Won't bother to post the whole blog on what they actually said because its too embarrassing to even bother.

                    Didn't know this guy goes around making up stuff to fuel his own self made up anger issues.

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                    • Jrocc23
                      MVP
                      • May 2010
                      • 3207

                      #190
                      Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                      Originally posted by Impetuous65
                      I don't think the adaptive coaching engine is working properly if at all.


                      Originally posted by MadManCometh
                      I knew that wasn't going to work right when they first advertise it. This is a $400 system with a $60 game. There's no way this game is going to fully adjust like a real human. Otherwise it would be thousands if the technology was that advanced.

                      Yeah, it doesn't really work like expected. Hopefully it's fixed. Seems for me every defense plays about the same besides a few specific players guarding PGs
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                      • Impetuous65
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2015
                        • 1451

                        #191
                        Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                        Originally posted by BA2929
                        I have to make defensive and offensive adjustments all the time in my offline games on Superstar or the CPU will wreck me.

                        So yes, it seems to be working.
                        I know you mean well but, Adaptive Coaching Engine is only for the Defense this year. Scott OG was the one who worked on it, DaCzar worked on the offense with dynamic branching points and a few other things. The ACE is just Defense and will be expanded upon in the next iterations.

                        Show me a video of all the Defensive adjustment the CPU made against you? I have been playing and paying particular close to everything. I have Scotts blog on my desk and I run certain things to see if those things happen based on the blog. The success rate is not that high.
                        Last edited by Impetuous65; 11-11-2015, 08:38 PM.

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                        • jfsolo
                          Live Action, please?
                          • May 2003
                          • 12965

                          #192
                          Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                          Originally posted by Impetuous65
                          I know you mean well but, Adaptive Coaching Engine is only for the Defense this year. Scott OG was the one who worked on it, DaCzar worked on the offense with dynamic branching points and a few other things. The ACE is just Defense and will be expanded upon in the next iterations.

                          Show me a video of all the Defensive adjustment the CPU made against you? I have been playing and paying particular close to everything. I have Scotts blog on my desk and I run certain things to see if those things happen based on the blog. The success rate is really null and void.
                          In DaCzar's blog he talks a lot about the offensive parts of ACE, whether or not it's working as it should on either end of the court is the question, but it is definitely supposed to be a major part of the offensive end of the court as well.
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                          • MadManCometh
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 459

                            #193
                            Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                            Originally posted by Jrocc23
                            Yeah, it doesn't really work like expected. Hopefully it's fixed. Seems for me every defense plays about the same besides a few specific players guarding PGs
                            Exactly. I noticed that to. But I think we both know it won't really be fixed.

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                            • Impetuous65
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2015
                              • 1451

                              #194
                              Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                              Originally posted by jfsolo
                              In DaCzar's blog he talks a lot about the offensive parts of ACE, whether or not it's working as it should on either end of the court is the question, but it is definitely supposed to be a major part of the offensive end of the court as well.
                              The ACE on the offense is just about who is on the floor and it will determine playstyle, that is it nothing more. Just about being flexible on offense. NO ADJUSTMENTS, Not adapting to the Defense, not even taking what the defense gives the offense. It's limited to playstyle based on who is on the floor.
                              Last edited by Impetuous65; 11-11-2015, 09:19 PM.

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                              • Smirkin Dirk
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                                • Oct 2008
                                • 5179

                                #195
                                Re: NBA 2K16 Patch #3 Should be Submitted to Sony & MS This Week, Some Details Reveal

                                ACE isnt as non-existant as what some people are making out.

                                And they wont release patch notes until the patch is allowed by MS/Sony.
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