Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

[ojandpizza]

Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

And you could definitely argue that 2016 Curry is better than early 90s Jordan.

] "Higher overall" does not necessarily mean "better," in real life or effectiveness in the game.

I don't see how. Nor Heat LeBron, nor prime Shaq, prime Kareem, prime Magic, prime Bird.


And they're supposed to, that was the point of the new scale.


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[RyanFitzmagic]

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Is ratings basically make him the best on the whole game at the rim, mid range, shooting, passing, probably a top 5 defender.

No, they don't. That's just not true at all. The best players in the game at the rim are gonna be players with high dunk and high layup ratings. LeBron, Blake, Durant... you know, the ACTUAL best finishers at the rim in the league.

And the best passers will have the highest ratings for Pass Accuracy, Pass Vision, Pass IQ, etc. Chris Paul, off the top of my head, easily has better ratings than Curry as a passer. Westbrook, also.

Regardless the "overall" system needs to be revamped for any sort of combination to make him the best player ever.


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Again, not only has he been lowered, but he didn't have the most badges when he was a 98, and he was not the highest rated player in the game. He was tied for 2nd overall with at least one player (93 Jordan) who has more badges than he did.

The overall rating is not the only thing that matters. It's like people refuse to believe this, and I don't understand why.

I don't see how. Nor Heat LeBron, nor prime Shaq, prime Kareem, prime Magic, prime Bird.

Stephen Curry is having the best scoring and shooting season of all time. He also has arguably the best handle ever. He's quick. He's strong. He's a good rebounder. He's a good passer. He's a good defender. He is extremely sharp mentally as a basketball player.

For the love of God, HE'S HAVING ONE OF THE BEST SEASONS EVER. What else do you want from this dude?

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No, they don't. That's just not true at all. The best players in the game at the rim are gonna be players with high dunk and high layup ratings. LeBron, Blake, Durant... you know, the ACTUAL best finishers at the rim in the league.

And the best passers will have the highest ratings for Pass Accuracy, Pass Vision, Pass IQ, etc. Chris Paul, off the top of my head, easily has better ratings than Curry as a passer. Westbrook, also.


Again, not only has he been lowered, but he didn't have the most badges when he was a 98, and he was not the highest rated player in the game. He was tied for 2nd overall with at least one player (93 Jordan) who has more badges than he did.

The overall rating is not the only thing that matters. It's like people refuse to believe this, and I don't understand why.


Stephen Curry is having the best scoring and shooting season of all time. He also has arguably the best handle ever. He's quick. He's strong. He's a good rebounder. He's a good passer. He's a good defender. He is extremely sharp mentally as a basketball player.

For the love of God, HE'S HAVING ONE OF THE BEST SEASONS EVER. What else do you want from this dude?

Curry has 98 standing layup & 97 driving layup which according to your views WOULD make him one of the best at the rim.

He also has 98 Passing Accuracy, 91 Passing Vision, 98 Passing IQ which puts him as a better passer than Wall, Rondo, Westbrook and only 6 attribute points behind Paul. Those are the three top creators in the league and he is better than them bar Paul. He is also only a few attribute points behind prime Magic..

He also has the most clinical badges, the reason Jordan has more is because he was one of the greatest defenders in NBA history and has those extra badges because of it.

I won't deny that the guy is one of the best shooters of all-time based on the past two seasons, but people seem to forget that it takes a long period of time to establish being the greatest of all-time and to be put in with other greats.

I'd also like to point out that Curry is having one of the best shooting seasons of all-time but is not having 'the best scoring' season as you put it..

Finally, PER is sometimes a flawed statistic. It's known to largely measure offensive performance (shooting percentages etc) more so than defensive performances. If you did factor in the defensive side of things (Bruce Bowen for example, hit only single digit PER and yet he was one of the best defenders of all-time), I'd probably account Jordan's season better than Curry's.

[ojandpizza]

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For the love of God, HE'S HAVING ONE OF THE BEST SEASONS EVER. What else do you want from this dude?

From him? Nothing. What I want from 2K however is to fix their ratings so that a player who's shooting stats are better aren't the determining factoring in having a better overall.

Badges or no badges, if you put every player in a FA pool his name would pop up second, and that is laughable. I understand that for simulation purposes GS players have to have the boost to be able to win so many games (see Dray being a 90), but Curry is still rated too high.

His "overall" is better than a Shaq who was just as dominant from an inside perspective as Curry from the outside, had a finals average of 38 and 17 with nearly 3 blocks per game. LeBron who led his team in points, rebounds, assists, was a more efficient scorer than even Curry, could literally defend positions 1-5, and of course the things the legends did that we could type 10 pages on.

My point is that a player who can dominate a game in more ways that 1 should have a higher "overall" rating because they are a better "overall" player. What Curry is doing this season is incredible, but 2K still needs to fix some things for next years game if their rating system makes him second only to a 96 MJ.


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[ojandpizza]

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Curry has 98 standing layup & 97 driving layup which according to your views WOULD make him one of the best at the rim.

He also has 98 Passing Accuracy, 91 Passing Vision, 98 Passing IQ which puts him as a better passer than Wall, Rondo, Westbrook and only 6 attribute points behind Paul. Those are the three top creators in the league and he is better than them bar Paul. He is also only a few attribute points behind prime Magic..

He also has the most clinical badges, the reason Jordan has more is because he was one of the greatest defenders in NBA history and has those extra badges because of it.

I won't deny that the guy is one of the best shooters of all-time based on the past two seasons, but people seem to forget that it takes a long period of time to establish being the greatest of all-time and to be put in with other greats.

I'd also like to point out that Curry is having one of the best shooting seasons of all-time but is not having 'the best scoring' season as you put it..

Finally, PER is sometimes a flawed statistic. It's known to largely measure offensive performance (shooting percentages etc) more so than defensive performances. If you did factor in the defensive side of things (Bruce Bowen for example, hit only single digit PER and yet he was one of the best defenders of all-time), I'd probably account Jordan's season better than Curry's.

The beginning of your post is what I was talking about. I tweaked a few things down and he was I think in the 95 range, without changing his deadly shooting abilities.. To me that is far more accurate for him on an "all time" scale.


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[RyanFitzmagic]

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Badges or no badges, if you put every player in a FA pool his name would pop up second

Says who?

players have to have the boost to be able to win so many games (see Dray being a 90)

Draymond can shoot threes, has good enough handle to run the break for the Warriors consistently, is 6th in the NBA in assists,can defend every position an an elite level, and isn't really bad at anything except free throw shooting.

But he doesn't deserve a 90. Come on, man.

His "overall" is better than a Shaq who was just as dominant from an inside perspective as Curry from the outside, had a finals average of 38 and 17 with nearly 3 blocks per game.

2016 Curry is a way better scorer than Shaq ever was. That's what gives him an edge. And HIS OVERALL IS ONLY ONE POINT LOWER THAN CURRY'S.

LeBron who led his team in points, rebounds, assists, was a more efficient scorer than even Curry, could literally defend positions 1-5, and of course the things the legends did that we could type 10 pages on.

First of all, no he wasn't. Curry's true shooting percentage is 68%. LeBron's was 64. Curry is also averaging more points. More points, better efficiency. He's the better scorer.

And they have the same overall.

My point is that a player who can dominate a game in more ways that 1 should have a higher "overall" rating because they are a better "overall" player. What Curry is doing this season is incredible, but 2K still needs to fix some things for next years game if their rating system makes him second only to a 96 MJ.

I'm seriously trying to be patient, dude, but I don't know how many times I have to say it.

THE OVERALL RATING IS A NOT A BE-ALL END-ALL OF HOW GOOD A PLAYER IS. BADGES, TENDENCIES, TEAMMATES, ETC. MATTER.

Also, Stephen Curry can dominate a game in way more ways than one. He's not Steve Novak.

Curry has 98 standing layup & 97 driving layup which according to your views WOULD make him one of the best at the rim.

No, it wouldn't, because he can't dunk like some other players with high layup ratings.

He also has 98 Passing Accuracy, 91 Passing Vision, 98 Passing IQ which puts him as a better passer than Wall, Rondo, Westbrook and only 6 attribute points behind Paul. Those are the three top creators in the league and he is better than them bar Paul. He is also only a few attribute points behind prime Magic..

Curry has 98, 91, 98. That adds up to 287.

Westbrook is 94, 97, 96. 287.

And again, other things matter. Wall does not shoot as much as Curry. That's why he averages more assists.

He also has the most clinical badges, the reason Jordan has more is because he was one of the greatest defenders in NBA history and has those extra badges because of it.

What are "clinical badges"? I feel like you're reaching with that one.

I won't deny that the guy is one of the best shooters of all-time based on the past two seasons, but people seem to forget that it takes a long period of time to establish being the greatest of all-time and to be put in with other greats.

That does not matter in a game that rates players in a vacuum of ONE SEASON ONLY.

I'd also like to point out that Curry is having one of the best shooting seasons of all-time but is not having 'the best scoring' season as you put it..

He definitely is. He's averaging 30 points on 68% true shooting. He's leading the league in both categories. He's the most efficient even though he scores the most. That's only ever been done once, and 1974 Bob McAdoo wasn't nearly as efficient as Curry is.

Finally, PER is sometimes a flawed statistic. It's known to largely measure offensive performance (shooting percentages etc) more so than defensive performances. If you did factor in the defensive side of things (Bruce Bowen for example, hit only single digit PER and yet he was one of the best defenders of all-time), I'd probably account Jordan's season better than Curry's.

I didn't even bring up PER.

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Says who?

No, it wouldn't, because he can't dunk like some other players with high layup ratings.

Curry with those ratings and his tear droppers and high arc'd layups IS one of the better players at the rim on 2K.

Curry has 98, 91, 98. That adds up to 287.

Westbrook is 94, 97, 96. 287.

And again, other things matter. Wall does not shoot as much as Curry. That's why he averages more assists.

So because someone like Wall doesn't chuck up shots he should be punished statistically as a passer on 2K?

Curry has attempted 1249 FG's
Wall has attempted 1144 FG's
Westbrook has attempted 1215 FG's

Curry has attempted 105 more shots than Wall & 34 more than Westbrook.

Curry has 403 assists
Wall has 641 assists
Westbrook has 684 assists.

Wall has 238 more assists than Curry & Westbrook has 281 more assists.

As you can see, the 'Curry has taken more shots argument' doesn't add up when you factor in the sheer number of assists over what Curry has to attempted shots. Let's say that both Westbrook and Wall had a shot instead of the assist on that possession, then Wall still has 133 more assists and Westbrook would have 247 more assists. Now when you factor in that the attributes on 2K are there to represent statistics, then Curry is over rated with his passing attributes in-game based on that.

What are "clinical badges"? I feel like you're reaching with that one.

You keep referring to "other things matter" well then please elaborate? You say I'm reaching and yet you provide nothing except certain phrases, like again "other things matter". I've provided stats to get a discussion going, you've not, but hey the thing that I said about 'clinical badges' well heres a few;

Acrobat Gold
Tear Dropper Gold (Combined with Curry's high floating shot it's money)
Bank is open Silver
Corner Specialist Gold
Deadeye Gold
Limitless Range Gold
Microwave Gold
Shot Creator Gold
Unfazed Gold

Which all would boost his shooting (According to you who say badges play a huge part)

Dimer Gold
Lob City Passer Gold
Pick & Roll Maestro Gold

Same again, these would mean his passing abilities get boosted.

He definitely is. He's averaging 30 points on 68% true shooting. He's leading the league in both categories. He's the most efficient even though he scores the most. That's only ever been done once, and 1974 Bob McAdoo wasn't nearly as efficient as Curry is.

I think you are confusing the definition of shooting and scoring.. Like I said, he is having one of the best shooting seasons in NBA history.. However, he is not having the 'best scoring season' because that comes down to PPG. There has been 56 times that someone has ended the season with a higher PPG than Curry's 30.5. Which is some way off Chamberlain's 50.0PPG which for 'scoring' is the best. Even Jordan's 37.09PPG is a lot higher too.

Even taking just pure points scored (which better represents 'scoring') Curry would finish off in the late 30's/early 40's ranking wise all-time.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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Curry with those ratings and his tear droppers and high arc'd layups IS one of the better players at the rim on 2K.

No, he is not, because dunking is always higher percentage than laying the ball up.

So because someone like Wall doesn't chuck up shots he should be punished statistically as a passer on 2K?

Curry has attempted 1249 FG's
Wall has attempted 1144 FG's
Westbrook has attempted 1215 FG's

Curry has attempted 105 more shots than Wall & 34 more than Westbrook.

Curry has 403 assists
Wall has 641 assists
Westbrook has 684 assists.

Wall has 238 more assists than Curry & Westbrook has 281 more assists.

As you can see, the 'Curry has taken more shots argument' doesn't add up when you factor in the sheer number of assists over what Curry has to attempted shots.

Curry has played way fewer minutes than both Westbrook and Wall. The numbers don't add up because you left that out.

You keep referring to "other things matter" well then please elaborate? You say I'm reaching and yet you provide nothing except certain phrases, like again "other things matter". I've provided stats to get a discussion going, you've not, but hey the thing that I said about 'clinical badges' well heres a few;

How many times do I have to repeat it? A 97 overall with 50 badges could easily be better than a 99 overall with 30 badges.

Acrobat Gold
Tear Dropper Gold (Combined with Curry's high floating shot it's money)
Bank is open Silver
Corner Specialist Gold
Deadeye Gold
Limitless Range Gold
Microwave Gold
Shot Creator Gold
Unfazed Gold

Which all would boost his shooting (According to you who say badges play a huge part)

Okay? He's the best shooter ever.

Dimer Gold
Lob City Passer Gold
Pick & Roll Maestro Gold

Same again, these would mean his passing abilities get boosted.

And...?

I think you are confusing the definition of shooting and scoring.. Like I said, he is having one of the best shooting seasons in NBA history.. However, he is not having the 'best scoring season' because that comes down to PPG. There has been 56 times that someone has ended the season with a higher PPG than Curry's 30.5. Which is some way off Chamberlain's 50.0PPG which for 'scoring' is the best. Even Jordan's 37.09PPG is a lot higher too.

Jordan was never as efficient as Curry. You can't measure scoring ability by simply using PPG. That's fallacious.

Between FGA and FTA, no one has ever come close to Curry in scoring 30 points a game on so few attempts.

http://bkref.com/tiny/14zcV

That's what makes someone a great scorer. High volume AND high efficiency. Iverson is not as good a scorer as LeBron James.

[8KB24]

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I think all of y'all are missing the point that Curry is shooting GOAT numbers from every distance and hence why he has 97 driving layup.

[SpeedyClaxton]

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Curry's beasting this season but Chamberlain was god hahahaha every time i look his stats i just LOL soo damn loud.

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Curry has played way fewer minutes than both Westbrook and Wall. The numbers don't add up because you left that out.

YOU, yes YOU said "Wall does not shoot as much as Curry. That's why he averages more assists." .. Those are your words, I replied to those and proved that wasn't the case..

Then once proven you throw in another excuse..

How many times do I have to repeat it? A 97 overall with 50 badges could easily be better than a 99 overall with 30 badges.

COULD. You say COULD. This means that you are guessing and estimating without any proof or understanding to back-up your claims. You do realize that certain badges do have no effect or minimal effect in certain aspects of the game, right? .. Don't worry, just repeat it to yourself again to make yourself keep believing what you say is the be all and end all.

And...?

A wonderful informative immature response... Did you forget the argument was about Curry being overrated in the passing categories? Guess what? These attribute to that too...

Jordan was never as efficient as Curry. You can't measure scoring ability by simply using PPG. That's fallacious.

Between FGA and FTA, no one has ever come close to Curry in scoring 30 points a game on so few attempts.

http://bkref.com/tiny/14zcV

That's what makes someone a great scorer. High volume AND high efficiency. Iverson is not as good a scorer as LeBron James.

It's like talking to a brick wall here... You do UNDERSTAND the DEFINITION of scoring and shooting right?

Here's a little example for you;

Player A takes 20 shots and scores 40 points, 20/20.

Player B takes 30 shots and scores 50 points, 25/30.

Now, if someone was to ask you who scored the most, that's right, SCORED the most points, who would it be? Player B...

If someone was to ask who was SHOOTING the best, it would be Player A.

Curry is on course to score 2400-2500 points for the season.

Chamberlain scored 4029 points in a season. Jordan scored 3041 points in a season. So they are clearly far better SCORING seasons.

As a little extra, Kareem is the all-time leading SCORER, not shooter but SCORER because he has SCORED the most points. So when people ask who is the all-time leading SCORER, who do they say? Kareem? Or someone who was more efficient?

If you can't understand that then I give up.

[ojandpizza]

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Look yore obviously extremely biased here, so we can just agree to disagree.


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[RyanFitzmagic]

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As a little extra, Kareem is the all-time leading SCORER, not shooter but SCORER because he has SCORED the most points. So when people ask who is the all-time leading SCORER, who do they say? Kareem? Or someone who was more efficient?

And yet no one ever says Kareem is the best scorer ever.

[ojandpizza]

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Says who?


Draymond can shoot threes, has good enough handle to run the break for the Warriors consistently, is 6th in the NBA in assists,can defend every position an an elite level, and isn't really bad at anything except free throw shooting.

But he doesn't deserve a 90. Come on, man.


2016 Curry is a way better scorer than Shaq ever was. That's what gives him an edge. And HIS OVERALL IS ONLY ONE POINT LOWER THAN CURRY'S.


First of all, no he wasn't. Curry's true shooting percentage is 68%. LeBron's was 64. Curry is also averaging more points. More points, better efficiency. He's the better scorer.

And they have the same overall.


I'm seriously trying to be patient, dude, but I don't know how many times I have to say it.

THE OVERALL RATING IS A NOT A BE-ALL END-ALL OF HOW GOOD A PLAYER IS. BADGES, TENDENCIES, TEAMMATES, ETC. MATTER.

Also, Stephen Curry can dominate a game in way more ways than one. He's not Steve Novak.


No, it wouldn't, because he can't dunk like some other players with high layup ratings.


Curry has 98, 91, 98. That adds up to 287.

Westbrook is 94, 97, 96. 287.

And again, other things matter. Wall does not shoot as much as Curry. That's why he averages more assists.


What are "clinical badges"? I feel like you're reaching with that one.


That does not matter in a game that rates players in a vacuum of ONE SEASON ONLY.


He definitely is. He's averaging 30 points on 68% true shooting. He's leading the league in both categories. He's the most efficient even though he scores the most. That's only ever been done once, and 1974 Bob McAdoo wasn't nearly as efficient as Curry is.


I didn't even bring up PER.

1.) Says him being a 98, yes I know that has changed now to a 97, you don't have to say it for the 100th time, we have eyes as well.

2.) Dray being rated higher than someone like PG? Pretty much as good as Pippen, C'mon man. I know what his strengths are, again you don't have to lay them out, we all watch basketball too. Could Dray do what Paul George does now, or Pippen did without Jordan? I don't see it.

3.) Curry is a better scorer than Shaq ever was? How so? Shaq was putting up near 30 around 55-60% for his prime and dominating the playoffs. Curry is scoring incredible well right now, but not in the manner Shaq was, he isn't dominating games. The players around him shoot so well that teams can't even double him off screens the way they need to.

4.) LOL true shooting percentage doesn't tell you who's a more efficient offensive player. It factors in free throws, which Curry is obviously better at than LeBron.. It's well known LeBron, Jordan, whoever else you want to make you lame case for isn't the free throw shooter Curry is. Using that stat is your sole argument doesn't aid you much.

5.) I know it's not the end all be all, again we all have eyes and we can all read. But he still shouldn't have the higher overall, that was the whole point for 2K's new rating system. Do we have to keep repeating that as well?

6.) I didn't call him Steve Novak.. But when LeBron can go out and score 45 when you need offense, grab 17 boards when you're team struggled the game before with rebounding, get 15 assists when your team struggling with scoring, rack up 40 point triple doubles, defend Durant, PG, then shut down Rose, Tony Parker, can switch on to Hibbert and Duncan, chase down blocks, steals, verticality rule blocks, lead your team in all major statistical categories, you do dominate the game in more ways than Curry can.. Idk how that's an incorrect assumption to make. He also led the entire league in post scoring, both points per post up and field goal percentage on post ups, also the next season finished 3rd in catch and shoot 3 point shooting, more assists than Curry, less turnovers.. How can Curry be a better all around (OVERALL) player than that. My question is what happens if Curry has a bad shooting night? LeBron could be the best player on the floor and only have 15 points. Curry doesn't have that impact. That should be represented in the game.

Overall is broken in this game right now. How do guys who can get 15+ boards like Kareem and Shaq, while giving you Curry scoring numbers, not get the same boost for rebounding that Curry might get for his ball handling or passing? Not to mention how much more valuable Kareem's ability to defend the rim in the 70's in compared to Currys solid defense now.




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[RyanFitzmagic]

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Curry is scoring incredible well right now, but not in the manner Shaq was, he isn't dominating games.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. I give up. It's not worth it.

Maybe 23 was right. This community really does not know basketball as well as they think they do.