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  • ggsimmonds
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2009
    • 11235

    #466
    Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

    Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
    This is why I'm starting to agree with 23. You can't just throw raw numbers out there and act like that's all that makes a good season.

    You guys really should visit some basketball forums and learn more about the analytics of the game, and I'm not even trying to be mean.
    You're complaining about the futility of having a basketball discussion on a message board and your solution is for us to visit a basketball message board?

    Also, because people may disagree with your opinion they must need to learn about analytics?

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    • RyanFitzmagic
      MVP
      • Oct 2011
      • 1959

      #467
      Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

      Originally posted by ggsimmonds
      You're complaining about the futility of having a basketball discussion on a message board and your solution is for us to visit a basketball message board?

      Also, because people may disagree with your opinion they must need to learn about analytics?
      This isn't a basketball forum, this is a video game forum. Go to RealGM or something.

      Yes, if people think that simply because Wilt averaged 50 points, his season is better than Curry's, they need to educate themselves.

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      • ggsimmonds
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jan 2009
        • 11235

        #468
        Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

        Originally posted by RyanFitzmagic
        This isn't a basketball forum, this is a video game forum. Go to RealGM or something.

        Yes, if people think that simply because Wilt averaged 50 points, his season is better than Curry's, they need to educate themselves.
        People are the same regardless of which message board. I'm sure realGM has not reached a consensus on Steph Curry's season in terms of where it ranks historically. Hopefully they don't accuse those who differ of being ignorant on the sport.

        Don't lie to me. It seems like what you truly mean to say is that if people disagree with you they need to educate themselves. Cause no educated person would put Wilt's, Jordan's, or Oscar's season above Steph's right?

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        • RyanFitzmagic
          MVP
          • Oct 2011
          • 1959

          #469
          Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

          Originally posted by ggsimmonds
          People are the same regardless of which message board.
          What? ... no. Different communities are more knowledgeable about different things. Go to the RealGM player comparison forums and ask about Stephen Curry's 2016 season. I'm begging you. Or even just ask about 2016 Curry vs 1962 Wilt.

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          • RyanFitzmagic
            MVP
            • Oct 2011
            • 1959

            #470
            Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

            Now I'm done derailing this thread.

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            • 23
              yellow
              • Sep 2002
              • 66469

              #471
              Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

              There has been a ton of beating to death and this thread is now on life support

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              • kabamaru
                MVP
                • Nov 2013
                • 2478

                #472
                Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                Originally posted by trandoanhung1991
                Right... Ever heard of YouTube? You are excused.



                He's currently having the best regular season ever. Nobody's talking about playoffs because it's not here yet. Where are you even getting this from?
                Youtube highlights. Right. Great scouting. You started that curry has the best season ever, ( which is arguable) to having a best REGULAR season ever.

                Lol man regular season doesn't mean a thing in basketball legend stories as long as you make it to the playoffs.
                It is the playoffs who make legends.

                It is the playoffs that gave us "havlicek stole the ball " or mj's the shot,

                most of the legends led their teams in the finals.
                Magic fought to the death with Bird and both won rings. MJ did all I described above . Reed played the final game with one foot to give the team the ring. This is how legends are born.

                In the do or die matches, when pressure is to heavy to take.

                Not because you win a non matter game with the pelicans scoring 40 points.

                MJ would never need kukoc as finals Mvp because he would struggle against a dellavedova of the Era

                When steph does similar things in the games that really Matter I will continue the discussion. Until then I will go educate myself because I obviously as you suggested I am illiteral.

                Just an advice. Don't try to learn basketball by highlights and forums. When you tell someone that has watched the games to go and read a forum, he can't take you that serious.

                Don't worry however as I am uneducated because I disagree with you
                P.S. I really can't understand how metrics apply between different decades of basketball with different rules and playstyle.
                Last edited by kabamaru; 03-16-2016, 07:07 AM.

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                • tru11
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 1816

                  #473
                  Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                  kids these days lel.

                  the curry hype is real.

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                  • 8KB24
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 2106

                    #474
                    Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                    Originally posted by kabamaru
                    Don't you think you are rushing a bit?

                    With his progress over the last 100 regular season games, I am not. He is on pace to have best season ever since inclusion of 3pter.

                    Regular season hasn't even finished. And you are talking about greatest season ever?

                    Yes.


                    For all we know Steph could get an injury tomorrow and not play in any play-off game.


                    For all we know, he might be disqualified first round with GSW, or even get the second ring in a row, but he could have really bad Finals.

                    Which doesn't mean **** because it's regular season what I'm talking about.

                    Would that still be a best season ever? Up to now Curry never won a Finals MVP.

                    Yes. How does FMVP correlate to regular season?

                    Iggy did last year. He carried his team when the teams leader was struggling against Dellavedova and a 6-7 man Cavs rotation due to injuries.

                    Iggy didn't carry and Curry had one(1) bad shooting night. I didn't know that Curry struggled while he was posting a 26/5.2/6.3 with 1.8 steals per game with shooting splits with 44.3/38.5/88.5. I'd take that 'struggle' in Finals 8/10 times. AGAIN! doesn't matter when talking about regular season. Also Iggy averaged 16.3/5.8/4 with 1.3 steals on 52/40/35.7 shooting splits. Again, not carrying anything. He was a beast defensively but he carried nothing over the stretch of whole Finals. Last few games he was outstanding, tho.

                    I was never really a Bulls fan. But MJ became the GOAT not because he scored 30 points or magnificent baskets in regular season.

                    He was named GOAT because he was deciding in winning titles. He won play-off series with fever, with final shots, with last defense, with 3s, with steals on last defense, with assist to an open teammate after drawing 2-3 players on him.

                    Okay...not denying he is GOAT when talking about whole body of work but singular regular season? Playoffs don't mean jack **** when talking regular season performance by a singular player.

                    He was 6 TIMES FINALS MVP! Do you even know/seen what he has done in the play-offs? The finals?

                    I do. Again, means nothing when discussing regular season.

                    So yes I am ready to accept when someone does a better season than MJ, but Curry still hasn't. Maybe he will, but please don't tell me that he has done best season ever because GSW are winning most games in regular season...

                    I never mentioned that. My eye test AND stats point to Curry having slight edge(so far in this season extrapolated over the course of 82 games) over MJ's best seasons.

                    Do we even remember which team had the record for most wins before the Bulls? I don't! Did we call the leader of that team the GOAT before MJ because he led his team to most wins in regural season? It is nonsense.

                    Lakers. I think I'd call him the GOAT before MJ. 69 wins. Just because you don't know history of the NBA doesn't mean that that should be used as an argument for MJ over Curry in a singular regular season.

                    I will be really happy to witness such dominance as MJ from another player in Play-off series.

                    I saw that exactly a decade ago. By a man named Dwyane Wade.

                    I will be double-happy if this is done by a player like Curry, who is proving you do not need to be a super-athlete like MJ/Lebron etc to make it if you 've got enough talent.

                    He's not gonna wow you on defensive end so he's not gonna be all-around dominant in the playoffs like MJ, Wade, LeBron etc but he sure as hell will wow you in the other parts of basketball areas.
                    Responses in the quote with bolded text.

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                    • Padgoi
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 1873

                      #475
                      Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                      Not sure if anyone posted this, but here's a side-by-side breakdown of Curry's current season statistics vs. arguably Jordan's best season (1988-89 season). As you can see, Jordan is pretty much better in every single statistical category except 2 PT FG% and 3 PT FG%. But that's not taking one ENORMOUS factor into the equation - teammates. This 1988-89 Bulls team wasn't that good. They had Jordan. After that, they had Pippen, but he was only in his second year, thus he only averaged 14 PPG and wasn't really that good yet. After that was Horace Grant at 12.0 PPG and Bill Cartwright at 12.4 PPG.

                      The 2016 Warriors are a SQUAD. Besides Curry, Klay averaged 22.0 PPG. Dray is averaging 14 PPG. 10.1 RPG and 7.7 APG. And Barnes is at 11 PPG.

                      Point is, while Curry is great, he is ALSO great because his teammates are VERY good and demand attention. How often is Curry double-teamed? You can't double Curry or you'll get torched by Klay or Dray. If anyone remembers (or was even alive) Jordan back then, he was doubled every game, every possession because no one else could score (again, before Pippen became Pippen). So while Curry's season can statistically be compared to MJ's 88-89 season, I still think the overall goes to MJ for the simple reason that he was playing with a bunch of misfits, constantly double and triple-teamed, and still almost all stats favor MJ.
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                      • kabamaru
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2013
                        • 2478

                        #476
                        Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                        Originally posted by 8KB24
                        Responses in the quote with bolded text.
                        It really amazes when you talk about season,
                        and what you really mean is regular season which is only PART of the season, excluding the MOST IMPORTANT part of it.

                        THE PLAYOFFS!
                        Last edited by kabamaru; 03-16-2016, 02:22 PM.

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                        • 8KB24
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2012
                          • 2106

                          #477
                          Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                          Originally posted by kabamaru
                          It really amazes when you talk about season,
                          and what you really mean is regular season which is only PART of the season, excluding the MOST IMPORTANT part of it.

                          THE PLAYOFFS!
                          But the point I am trying to make across all of the thread about Curry is about regular season. You still didn't make a single argument for why this should not be considered as GOAT regular season.

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                          • Nevertheles109
                            Pro
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 643

                            #478
                            Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                            Can we agree to disagree at this point. It's obvious one group will feel differently than the other. The stats and opinions have been stated and it's evident no one is going to sway.

                            To change the endless debate, I think his acceleration needs to be lower than John Wall and Westbrook even though he isn't a slug by any means. I don't have a problem with his rating for the most part, it's his tendencies that need to be revamped.

                            For next year they need to add deep three point tendency/rating. Pull-up three tendency/rating. Contested shot tendency/rating for 2pt and 3 pt (JR Smith needs this as well). End of quarter shot tendency/rating, if there are stats to back this up somehow. Last but not least, fourth quarter shot tendency/rating.

                            This would separate Curry/Lebron from a Westbrook so to speak. I want to see Westbrook shoot a 28-30+ ft. at the end of the game but I also want his long distance 3 pt rating, 4th quarter tendency and rating to portray differently than what I would see from Curry.

                            I think that would be a hell of a start to differentiate Curry from the rest of the league.
                            Last edited by Nevertheles109; 03-16-2016, 03:09 PM.

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                            • ZoneSix
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 276

                              #479
                              Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                              Originally posted by Nevertheles109
                              Can we agree to disagree at this point. It's obvious one group will feel differently than the other. The stats and opinions have been stated and it's evident no one is going to sway.

                              To change the endless debate, I think his acceleration needs to be lower than John Wall and Westbrook even though he isn't a slug by any means. I don't have a problem with his rating for the most part, it's his tendencies that need to be revamped.

                              For next year they need to add deep three point tendency/rating. Pull-up three tendency/rating. Contested shot tendency/rating for 2pt and 3 pt (JR Smith needs this as well). End of quarter shot tendency/rating, if there are stats to back this up somehow. Last but not least, fourth quarter shot tendency/rating.

                              This would separate Curry/Lebron from a Westbrook so to speak. I want to see Westbrook shoot a 28-30+ ft. at the end of the game but I also want his long distance 3 pt rating, 4th quarter tendency and rating to portray differently than what I would see from Curry.

                              I think that would be a hell of a start to differentiate Curry from the rest of the league.


                              preach.. they still haven't captured how this dude is just hell on wheels and overhauling his tendencies in this fashion would be a huge step in the right direction.
                              Last edited by ZoneSix; 03-16-2016, 04:48 PM.

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                              • RyanFitzmagic
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1959

                                #480
                                Re: Stephen Curry in NBA 2K

                                I used the Warriors the other day, and I hit a couple 28-footers with Curry. I'm not brave enough to venture out to 30-35 feet, but Curry in this game is already god-tier if you know how to use him and the Warriors. I also had 8-13-13 with Draymond and Klay dropped 22. I won handily.

                                I hope they don't mess anything up trying to fix something that's not really broken. The way the AI uses Curry is much more important than making him as good in a user's hands as he is IRL.
                                Last edited by RyanFitzmagic; 03-16-2016, 05:15 PM.

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