Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

[KingMansaMusa]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

Yes just pay them, this is a non issue in my book whether it's morally right or wrong.

[coolcras7]

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What I don't understand is why people are rooting for 2k to lose the case, like they're getting a cut of the tattoo artists payout....all it does is hurt us as the consumer...

Mentality around here is completely jacked up

yeah, people have this mentality that 2k deserves to lose because of an issue they are having with the game, as if a smaller budget next year or a bunch of players that are not accurate to their real life counter part is a good thing.

[KingMansaMusa]

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yeah, people have this mentality that 2k deserves to lose because of an issue they are having with the game, as if a smaller budget next year or a bunch of players that are not accurate to their real life counter part is a good thing.

Come on, 2k will pay or come to some agreement with said parties and the players will continue to be accurately displayed in game, there's no need for theatrics or even really discussion. We already know the outcome. Business as usual.

[coolcras7]

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Come on, 2k will pay or come to some agreement with said parties and the players will continue to be accurately displayed in game, there's no need for theatrics or even really discussion. We already know the outcome. Business as usual.

You do realize that people are jerks and will try to take advantage of this situation, we will be the ones who loses. Can you imagine like MSG, EA/2K buying the rights to Tattoos and it's only available on one of the games.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I don't understand why ppl think it's ridiculous for the tattoo artists to be suing over their property. It's their work. Sometimes they're custom drawing stuff. It's actual physical property. Not the players body but the artwork is. Nothing ridiculous about them suing imo. I'm not a lawyer but it's pretty clear this is copyright infringement to some degree.

In my mind, it's not the artist's property. The artist wasn't the sole creator of the tattoo, because he would have gotten input from the customer/player. Music is non debatable who created the music. It's not debatable who writes a play, novel, short story, etc. It's not debatable who creates a fashion line.

To me, you would have to convince me that tattoo artist truly "owns" the tattoo before I can consider it a copyright infringement. I look at tattoo artists as providing a service in the realm of haircuts, make up, fingernails, landscaping, painting buildings, interior decorating, etc. Basically, if you need input from the customer to create it, then to me you can't "own" copyrights to the end product.

[roadman]

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If it's a tattoo artist original creative tattoo, then yes, a tattoo artist will want to be compensated for the original artwork that is being used in some other format.

After EA case went to court, the NFLPA demanded from now on that if they want their tattoos in the game, they need to track down the tattoo artist to sign a waiver form.

Let's just hope it doesn't go down that same road, but we've already seen a blueprint from the EA fallout with tattoo artist.

[HowDareI]

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I used to draw and do sketches and portraits and all that...
I WANTED people to see what I did in my class. I wanted exposure and recognition; therefore I SIGNED my name under each picture...as you do, so people knew it was my work...it was by me.

A tattoo artist is merely there to please their customer. I have some tats, I been through it before. You talk about an idea, maybe show something close to what you want and they bring some of their own flair to the table and once you both agree on the sketch the work begins...

What I'm saying is, if they wanted to be recognized for their own original ONE-TIME pieces they should be artists not tattoo-artists.
You're putting your work on someone's body for the world to see for the rest of their life. You changed them, you have walking artwork at that point. Take a picture if you need to brag; but I feel like a tattoo artist's main goal is to make the customer happy how they look. Not make money in any other way.

These are like the musicians who get signed and switch their style up completely. You know they were in it for the money not the love of the art.

I wouldn't give these guys a penny; they made their money already idc what any laws say. You know they want $$$ not recognition for their art. If it was solely recognition they'd ask for some credits in the game manual or something not a milli lol

[Junior Moe]

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What I don't understand is why people are rooting for 2k to lose the case, like they're getting a cut of the tattoo artists payout....all it does is hurt us as the consumer...

Mentality around here is completely jacked up

Yeah man. I agree that if 2K has infringed (which it looks like they have) that they need to pay up or come to some agreement. But some of the stuff being said and the sly glee some guys seem to have about this happening to 2K is crazy. I have seen pot shots taken at NBA 2K over small stuff on other forums while the same people play devils advocate for everything in the other game. It's lame and uncalled for.

[WISports]

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I don't understand why ppl think it's ridiculous for the tattoo artists to be suing over their property. It's their work. Sometimes they're custom drawing stuff. It's actual physical property. Not the players body but the artwork is. Nothing ridiculous about them suing imo. I'm not a lawyer but it's pretty clear this is copyright infringement to some degree.

I own my own tattoo parlor. And I can honestly say, I wouldn't care one bit.

What is it hurting? If anything, it's getting your work out in the public eye (big time).

[jfsolo]

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Those of you who really care about this sort of thing should prepare yourself mentally for the very real possibility that most tats will be gone next year. A few diehards may not buy the game because of this, but most people will be like, "well that sucks" and then just keep playing the game.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Just for the sake of clarification, the other suits were settled out of court. Meaning that the companies didn't want to mess with it or risk losing/bad press. Settling is not the same as losing....

EA merely settled then made it so they couldn't be sued in the future. Now, 2K Sports has to make the same decision whether to fight it or settle.

[JohnDoe8865]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

Could 2K hypothetically use the scanned tattoos and then slightly alter them on the artist side so that they aren't then using the copyrighted IPs?

Would that be a realistic workaround, if they decide not to pay? Otherwise, I guess PC gamers can edit them back in.

[24ct]

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I own my own tattoo parlor. And I can honestly say, I wouldn't care one bit.

What is it hurting? If anything, it's getting your work out in the public eye (big time).

Thanks for the input. I'm sure it's different for every artist. Like not all the players tattoo artists are suing. Just a select few so it just depends on the artist. I get what you're saying tho. I think it's fine some artists don't like it tho. Well I just understand really.

[24ct]

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In my mind, it's not the artist's property. The artist wasn't the sole creator of the tattoo, because he would have gotten input from the customer/player. Music is non debatable who created the music. It's not debatable who writes a play, novel, short story, etc. It's not debatable who creates a fashion line.

To me, you would have to convince me that tattoo artist truly "owns" the tattoo before I can consider it a copyright infringement. I look at tattoo artists as providing a service in the realm of haircuts, make up, fingernails, landscaping, painting buildings, interior decorating, etc. Basically, if you need input from the customer to create it, then to me you can't "own" copyrights to the end product.

True. And to add to that if an artist buys a beat from a beat maker with a sample it's the artists responsibility to get it cleared. So I get what you're saying. But if someone gives me an idea for a drawing and I paint it, I would consider that mine. It goes from intellectual property to actual physical evidence.

Again I'm not a lawyer and don't really know what I'm talking about lol but it just makes sense to me. Once you pen something it's more proof of it being yours. Unless the player in question drew the picture himself. I think that's a different case. But when it comes to someone providing an idea and someone else making it real, it just seems it would be more of the creators ownership than the idealists.

[swac07]

Re: Take-Two Interactive & Visual Concepts Sued By Tattoo Artists

-singing in my best O'jays impersonation- "for the loooooooove of moooooooneeeeeeey...." smh